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StingingVelvet · 01-28-2017, 07:39 AM

I like both, for radically different reasons. Man of Steel is a good gritty sci-fi action movie, basically. I don't really care if it's a good Superman movie or not. That end fight goes on forever though and the big Pa Kent scene is stupid as hell.

Superman Returns is a solid nod to the classic Supes and enjoyable, despite lacking a good climax and a horrible Lois Lane casting.

blurayfriend · 01-28-2017, 11:17 AM

It has a sweet, sad, nostalgic tone that I find really appealing- it's not for everyone, but it really captures the pre-Crisis loneliness of being Superman, the living god who puts aside his personal torment to help others. It's bittersweet, like going to Disneyland at Christmas or something, and captures a really appealing mood and is only worried about being it's own movie. It's totally close-ended and works as a finale to the Christopher Reeve series, which it was not marketed as.

Where it fails is at being a good Superman movie that adapts anything other than the Donner films- it has no sense of scale, of there being any threats in this world other than Luthor, or any reactions from the city about Superman himself; sort an anti-cinematic universe. It was oddly not of it's time and woefully out of touch with the real world concerns in summer 2006, or desires of what an audience hungered for a Superman movie to touch on when it came out. But I still maintain it would have fine and well-received had it come out around 2001 to cap off the old era of superhero films before X-Men kickstarted the Marvel phase. Singer gets crap, and deservedly so, for abandoning X3 to make what is essentially an arthouse vanity project with no real purpose or mission statement, but it still has a touching and endearing quality of its own. A movie doesn't need to have a theme other than "Sometimes life just goes on," but that wasn't tapping into what people were necessarily expecting.

The best way I can put it is, something like Manchester by the Sea is a good sad movie, without a really definable theme and doesn't necessarily touch into any kind of cultural zeitgeist, and that's fine. But you wouldn't position it as a summer tentpole at a time when people are looking for the exact opposite kind of entertainment, and then be surprised when it catches a lot of flack for such.

CZAR · 01-28-2017, 03:46 PM

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Originally Posted by West E

This film is actually getting better with age for me. I like Routh better than Cavill. If only this film lived up to its teaser trailer. Probably the best trailer ive ever seen.

My 3rd favorite Superman film behind Superman 78 and Superman II

Agree 100% with all of this. Its a damn shame they didnt green light the sequel because I heard the script was a Monsta!! Got Em!!

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Right there with ya!

...aaaaand that's where you lost me.

Agree again on both thoughts. Got Em!!

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Originally Posted by StingingVelvet

I like both, for radically different reasons. Man of Steel is a good gritty sci-fi action movie, basically. I don't really care if it's a good Superman movie or not. That end fight goes on forever though and the big Pa Kent scene is stupid as hell.

Superman Returns is a solid nod to the classic Supes and enjoyable, despite lacking a good climax and a horrible Lois Lane casting.

Actually Amy Adams is a terrible Lois Lane! Got Em!!

Batmon77 · 01-28-2017, 06:12 PM

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Originally Posted by CZAR

Actually Amy Adams is a terrible Lois Lane! Got Em!!

Adams is my favorite Lane, yet looks nothing like classic brunette Lois.

Arawn · 01-28-2017, 07:05 PM

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Originally Posted by StingingVelvet

That end fight goes on forever though

Five and a half minutes! Got Em!!

Filmmaker · 01-28-2017, 07:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Arawn

Five and a half minutes! Got Em!!

Basically the same length as the alleyway fist-fight in THEY LIVE, which was far, far more memorable.

CZAR · 01-29-2017, 05:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Batmon77

Adams is my favorite Lane, yet looks nothing like classic brunette Lois.

Naa, Margot Kidder by far is the best LL in my opinion. Got Em!!

Batmon77 · 01-29-2017, 05:51 PM

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Originally Posted by CZAR

Naa, Margot Kidder by far is the best LL in my opinion. Got Em!!

Kidder has the best spunk and (great raspy voice) of Lois, but isnt very attractive in my book.

Shot'Em.....

Yojimbo68 · 01-29-2017, 05:58 PM

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Originally Posted by StingingVelvet

I like both, for radically different reasons. Man of Steel is a good gritty sci-fi action movie, basically. I don't really care if it's a good Superman movie or not. That end fight goes on forever though and the big Pa Kent scene is stupid as hell.

Superman Returns is a solid nod to the classic Supes and enjoyable, despite lacking a good climax and a horrible Lois Lane casting.

Superman Returns also suffers from just some flat out bad screenwriting. The films is supposed to be linked to the first two Reeve films but gone is the snappy "His Girl Friday" dialogue between Lois and Clark which was part of what made the first film so enjoyable. The whole Lois/Superman/Clark thing comes off like a bad soap opera. They forgot that a Superman film is supposed to be....fun.

MJD64 · 01-29-2017, 06:16 PM

Margot Kidder is the best (and sexiest) Lois. Adams is fine and Bosworth ludicrous.

As for Superman Returns, it's so busy being an homage to the Donner original (it's essentially a semi-remake), it renders itself redundant.

CZAR · 01-29-2017, 07:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Batmon77

Kidder has the best spunk and (great raspy voice) of Lois, but isnt very attractive in my book.

Shot'Em.....

Not very attractive?? Yes she was!!! Also the chemistry between her and Reeves was very real and genuine. In MOS I felt there was no chemistry between Cavil & Adams. It felt fake and rushed. Got Em!!

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Originally Posted by Yojimbo68

Superman Returns also suffers from just some flat out bad screenwriting. The films is supposed to be linked to the first two Reeve films but gone is the snappy "His Girl Friday" dialogue between Lois and Clark which was part of what made the first film so enjoyable. The whole Lois/Superman/Clark thing comes off like a bad soap opera. They forgot that a Superman film is supposed to be....fun.

Maybe so but I still felt chemistry between Boswell & Routh unlike MOS. Got Em!!

Batmon77 · 01-29-2017, 07:29 PM

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Originally Posted by CZAR

Not very attractive?? Yes she was!!!

Her career was dead after Superman.

Filmmaker · 01-29-2017, 07:37 PM

Clearly, Margot Kidder nailed the character and made it her own in a way that Amy Adams and, especially, Kate Bosworth couldn't hope to replicate, but even as a six year-old child seeing SUPERMAN for the first time, I remember thinking, "Superman could have any woman in the world and he picked that homely looking skeleton?!" If you think Margot Kidder was ever sexy, you behold the world through astonishingly different eyes than me. But her lack of ease on the eyes notwithstanding, she simply is Lois Lane. All others are pretenders.

Batman1980 · 01-29-2017, 07:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Filmmaker

Clearly, Margot Kidder nailed the character and made it her own in a way that Amy Adams and, especially, Kate Bosworth couldn't hope to replicate, but even as a six year-old child seeing SUPERMAN for the first time, I remember thinking, "Superman could have any woman in the world and he picked that homely looking skeleton?!" If you think Margot Kidder was ever sexy, you behold the world through astonishingly different eyes than me. But her lack of ease on the eyes notwithstanding, she simply is Lois Lane. All others are pretenders.

1. Amy Adams
2. Erica Durance
3. Margot Kidder
4. Teri Hatcher
5. Kate Bosworth
I like them all in the role to some extent though, they all brought something different to it and made it their own

Batmon77 · 01-29-2017, 07:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Batman1980

1. Amy Adams
2. Erica Durance
3. Margot Kidder
4. Teri Hatcher
5. Kate Bosworth
I like them all in the role to some extent though, they all brought something different to it and made it their own

Noel Neill

Batman1980 · 01-29-2017, 07:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Batmon77

Noel Neill

Sorry, don't remember her, only listed the Lois Lanes I've actually seen. Wonder who the next one will be, hopefully we won't find out for awhile.

Batmon77 · 01-29-2017, 08:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Batman1980

Sorry, don't remember her, only listed the Lois Lanes I've actually seen. Wonder who the next one will be, hopefully we won't find out for awhile.

She Lois's mom on the train when Superboy/Clark runs by in Superman I.

Batman1980 · 01-29-2017, 08:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Batmon77

https://youtu.be/lSlTtr5NVUg

She Lois's mom on the train when Superboy/Clark runs by in Superman I.

Then she's definitely not a Lois Lane, was wondering why I hadn't heard of her before.

Batmon77 · 01-29-2017, 08:31 PM

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Then she's definitely not a Lois Lane, was wondering why I hadn't heard of her before.

jess1581 · 01-29-2017, 08:35 PM

Superman Returns is a frustration for me. I'm a fan of the classic Reeve movies and can even watch 3 and 4. So I appreciate Returns' evident affection for Donner's aesthetic. Bryan Singer put together a loving tribute, and a top notch technical presentation.

On the other hand, it is also TOO MUCH of an homage. Bryan Singer approached it more as a fan than a filmmaker which I believe limited his imagination. Routh was fine as Superman, though I think he was under utilized. Bosworth was just plain WRONG for Lois. Parker Posey would have made a better Lois than Luthor's babe. Spacey however was spot on as Lex Luthor.

I do also think the action feels more obligatory than exhilarating. The plane sequence was impressive, but beyond that there just wasn't enough wow factor.

The running time is also strenuous at 154 minutes. It could have used a much tighter pace. There's an alternate opening scene of Superman in his ship scoping out the ruins of his home world. They should have kept it in as it was a much better intro for Kal El. If anything most of the deleted scenes were of better use than what was kept in.

3/5 because it is a competently made film and entertaining to a point, but Singer should have dialed back his fandom and focused on making a more original worthwhile Superman film to justify his "return".

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01-28-2017, 07:39 AM	#401
StingingVelvet Blu-ray Grand Duke Member since:Jan 2014 Location:Philadelphia, PA 4K collection:852 Blu-ray collection:2331 DVD collection:111 Digital collection:12 Trading Score:69	I like both, for radically different reasons. Man of Steel is a good gritty sci-fi action movie, basically. I don't really care if it's a good Superman movie or not. That end fight goes on forever though and the big Pa Kent scene is stupid as hell. Superman Returns is a solid nod to the classic Supes and enjoyable, despite lacking a good climax and a horrible Lois Lane casting.

01-28-2017, 11:17 AM	#402
blurayfriend Banned Top contributor Member since:Jul 2011 Blu-ray collection:699 Trading Score:54	It has a sweet, sad, nostalgic tone that I find really appealing- it's not for everyone, but it really captures the pre-Crisis loneliness of being Superman, the living god who puts aside his personal torment to help others. It's bittersweet, like going to Disneyland at Christmas or something, and captures a really appealing mood and is only worried about being it's own movie. It's totally close-ended and works as a finale to the Christopher Reeve series, which it was not marketed as. Where it fails is at being a good Superman movie that adapts anything other than the Donner films- it has no sense of scale, of there being any threats in this world other than Luthor, or any reactions from the city about Superman himself; sort an anti-cinematic universe. It was oddly not of it's time and woefully out of touch with the real world concerns in summer 2006, or desires of what an audience hungered for a Superman movie to touch on when it came out. But I still maintain it would have fine and well-received had it come out around 2001 to cap off the old era of superhero films before X-Men kickstarted the Marvel phase. Singer gets crap, and deservedly so, for abandoning X3 to make what is essentially an arthouse vanity project with no real purpose or mission statement, but it still has a touching and endearing quality of its own. A movie doesn't need to have a theme other than "Sometimes life just goes on," but that wasn't tapping into what people were necessarily expecting. The best way I can put it is, something like Manchester by the Sea is a good sad movie, without a really definable theme and doesn't necessarily touch into any kind of cultural zeitgeist, and that's fine. But you wouldn't position it as a summer tentpole at a time when people are looking for the exact opposite kind of entertainment, and then be surprised when it catches a lot of flack for such.

01-29-2017, 06:16 PM	#410
MJD64 Blu-ray Samurai Member since:Jul 2016 Blu-ray collection:847 DVD collection:854	Margot Kidder is the best (and sexiest) Lois. Adams is fine and Bosworth ludicrous. As for Superman Returns, it's so busy being an homage to the Donner original (it's essentially a semi-remake), it renders itself redundant.

01-29-2017, 07:37 PM	#413
Filmmaker Blu-ray Count Top contributor Member since:Aug 2009 Location:Tulsa, OK (but don't hold it against me!) Home Theater Gallery:90 4K collection:1171 Blu-ray collection:3154 DVD collection:593 Trading Score:24	Clearly, Margot Kidder nailed the character and made it her own in a way that Amy Adams and, especially, Kate Bosworth couldn't hope to replicate, but even as a six year-old child seeing SUPERMAN for the first time, I remember thinking, "Superman could have any woman in the world and he picked that homely looking skeleton?!" If you think Margot Kidder was ever sexy, you behold the world through astonishingly different eyes than me. But her lack of ease on the eyes notwithstanding, she simply is Lois Lane. All others are pretenders.

01-29-2017, 08:35 PM	#420
jess1581 Blu-ray Champion Member since:May 2016 Location:Fairhaven, Massachusetts 4K collection:553 Blu-ray collection:2336 Blu-ray reviews: 73	Superman Returns is a frustration for me. I'm a fan of the classic Reeve movies and can even watch 3 and 4. So I appreciate Returns' evident affection for Donner's aesthetic. Bryan Singer put together a loving tribute, and a top notch technical presentation. On the other hand, it is also TOO MUCH of an homage. Bryan Singer approached it more as a fan than a filmmaker which I believe limited his imagination. Routh was fine as Superman, though I think he was under utilized. Bosworth was just plain WRONG for Lois. Parker Posey would have made a better Lois than Luthor's babe. Spacey however was spot on as Lex Luthor. I do also think the action feels more obligatory than exhilarating. The plane sequence was impressive, but beyond that there just wasn't enough wow factor. The running time is also strenuous at 154 minutes. It could have used a much tighter pace. There's an alternate opening scene of Superman in his ship scoping out the ruins of his home world. They should have kept it in as it was a much better intro for Kal El. If anything most of the deleted scenes were of better use than what was kept in. 3/5 because it is a competently made film and entertaining to a point, but Singer should have dialed back his fandom and focused on making a more original worthwhile Superman film to justify his "return".

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