Unforgiven (1992) (Remastered)

[Zen_Amako]

I considered picking this up, but I had no idea Best Buy would have it for $37.99. Talk about sticker shock. I'll wait for a sale.

[MassiveMovieBuff]

Originally Posted by Zen_Amako

I considered picking this up, but I had no idea Best Buy would have it for $37.99. Talk about sticker shock. I'll wait for a sale.

Did you physically see it there? My dad just stopped up there and they told him it wasn't coming out till the 23rd after I had called a lady there checked and said they had 2 copies.

[jjhunsecker]

Originally Posted by MassiveMovieBuff

Did you physically see it there? My dad just stopped up there and they told him it wasn't coming out till the 23rd after I had called a lady there checked and said they had 2 copies.

I saw it at a BB in NYC this afternoon . $38 ?????

[MassiveMovieBuff]

Originally Posted by jjhunsecker

I saw it at a BB in NYC this afternoon . $38 ?????

Yeah Best Buy needs to get it together. I found the 2 copies they were telling me I couldn't get till the 23rd and I ended up being able to buy one. It was pricey.

Im not sure if the phrase 4th time's a charm exists but if not I'm coining it. I really enjoyed it this viewing. I still found it a little slow but its still really good. The blu ray looks outstanding. I have my brother's copy of the previous release at home that I was going to watch to decide if I wanted to buy this one so I'll compare the transfers in the morning but something tells me this one wins without a doubt. I'm also not a big slipcover guy but this one has a great one that I am keeping.

I can't imagine the UHD looking much better than the blu ray.

[HuggyBear73]

Hometheaterforum's review said the 4K UHD ain't that much better than the 4K blu-ray. He even goes on to say that the blu-ray looks so good that Warner Bros. shouldn't have even bothered putting out a 4K UHD of UNFORGIVEN. Just another reason why I'm not upgrading to 4K UHD.

[StingingVelvet]

Originally Posted by HuggyBear73

Hometheaterforum's review said the 4K UHD ain't that much better than the 4K blu-ray. He even goes on to say that the blu-ray looks so good that Warner Bros. shouldn't have even bothered putting out a 4K UHD of UNFORGIVEN. Just another reason why I'm not upgrading to 4K UHD.

He's wrong, and a big reason he's wrong is he's using a projector which doesn't really handle HDR correctly. Also even if Unforgiven was somehow worse than the BD that doesn't mean all the other UHDs are too. As someone who owns 50 of them I can tell you that most movies, on the right display, are dramatically improved.

But tell yourself whatever you have to I guess.

[HuggyBear73]

Originally Posted by StingingVelvet

He's wrong, and a big reason he's wrong is he's using a projector which doesn't really handle HDR correctly. Also even if Unforgiven was somehow worse than the BD that doesn't mean all the other UHDs are too. As someone who owns 50 of them I can tell you that most movies, on the right display, are dramatically improved.

But tell yourself whatever you have to I guess.

Also, Logan Toxic on youtube said it aint much better than the blu-ray.

[mzupeman]

Originally Posted by HuggyBear73

Also, Logan Toxic on youtube said it aint much better than the blu-ray.

Well if Logan Toxic says so, it MUST be true!

[MassiveMovieBuff]

Warner's 4K remasters have been so great that I really wish they would've been the ones that remastered Heat instead of Fox (which I'm pretty sure is the company that "remastered" Heat).

[MassiveMovieBuff]

Just did a comparison between the previous release and the new one and it's no contest that the new one wins. The previous release is plagued with what looks to be EE and bad compression. The new one is cleaned up, gorgeously detailed and filmic.

[imsounoriginal]

Originally Posted by StingingVelvet

He's wrong, and a big reason he's wrong is he's using a projector which doesn't really handle HDR correctly. Also even if Unforgiven was somehow worse than the BD that doesn't mean all the other UHDs are too. As someone who owns 50 of them I can tell you that most movies, on the right display, are dramatically improved.

But tell yourself whatever you have to I guess.

There are people on these forums who live to see UHD die. Not gonna bother speculating on the reasons. Just gotta accept it and move on. No point talking to a wall.

[MassiveMovieBuff]

Originally Posted by imsounoriginal

There are people on these forums who live to see UHD die. Not gonna bother speculating on the reasons. Just gotta accept it and move on. No point talking to a wall.

I don't think it's that so much. I think it's more of this sudden opinion that blu ray sucks now (atleast as how I've perceived it), like it's a blu ray vs. DVD situation, that UHD is out which isn't the case at all. There's a lot of factors that go into it like having to buy a new player and TV and replacing blu ray collections with UHD releases now which is very costly right now atleast. It's strange that they just put the blu ray and UHD together instead of selling them separately which made it much more expensive for those who just want the blu ray.

I'm not against UHD at all but I still find blu ray to be a fantastic format even if UHD is an improvement to a degree.

[infiniteCR]

People should just go try UHD out and decide for themselves. A nice side effect is that upgrading your equipment makes bluray look even better. Getting a calibrated OLED made my bluray collection feel like it had changed formats. The difference in quality from upgrading my equipment was a bigger change than when I was comparing the two formats if I am honest with myself.


This release pulling the shenanigan where they force you to buy something is uncool though. I am sure lots of people would be upset if they were forced to buy the 3D version of a movie just to get the regular bluray. I don't like how the bluray 'later in the year' hasn't been announced more properly.

[Ray Jackson]

Originally Posted by infiniteCR

People should just go try UHD out and decide for themselves. A nice side effect is that upgrading your equipment makes bluray look even better. Getting a calibrated OLED made my bluray collection feel like it had changed formats. The difference in quality from upgrading my equipment was a bigger change than when I was comparing the two formats if I am honest with myself.


This release pulling the shenanigan where they force you to buy something is uncool though. I am sure lots of people would be upset if they were forced to buy the 3D version of a movie just to get the regular bluray. I don't like how the bluray 'later in the year' hasn't been announced more properly.

I can't even calibrate my television properly.

I lack the skills and the motivation to put the time in.

[imsounoriginal]

Originally Posted by MassiveMovieBuff

I don't think it's that so much. I think it's more of this sudden opinion that blu ray sucks now (atleast as how I've perceived it), like it's a blu ray vs. DVD situation, that UHD is out which isn't the case at all. There's a lot of factors that go into it like having to buy a new player and TV and replacing blu ray collections with UHD releases now which is very costly right now atleast. It's strange that they just put the blu ray and UHD together instead of selling them separately which made it much more expensive for those who just want the blu ray.

I'm not against UHD at all but I still find blu ray to be a fantastic format even if UHD is an improvement to a degree.

I don't think anyone's saying Blu-ray sucks (if they are, I don't agree with that), but if there's a UHD of a film available, I think that becomes the default way to watch it. There are some UHDs that don't look amazing but other than maybe Suicide Squad I think all the ones I've seen (around 40+) offer at least a marginal (and usually substantial) improvement over the BD. And I'm not even using a top-of-the-line setup. I understand wanting to wait things out until Dolby Vision becomes more pervasive or prices come down, but the people who say things like "2K DIs are trash" or "UHD doesn't offer any improvement" are just spreading disinformation and wanting/hoping for the format to die.

[MassiveMovieBuff]

Originally Posted by imsounoriginal

I don't think anyone's saying Blu-ray sucks (if they are, I don't agree with that), but if there's a UHD of a film available, I think that becomes the default way to watch it. There are some UHDs that don't look amazing but other than maybe Suicide Squad I think all the ones I've seen (around 40+) offer at least a marginal (and usually substantial) improvement over the BD. And I'm not even using a top-of-the-line setup. I understand wanting to wait things out until Dolby Vision becomes more pervasive or prices come down, but the people who say things like "2K DIs are trash" or "UHD doesn't offer any improvement" are just spreading disinformation and wanting/hoping for the format to die.

Yeah you bring up good points. I personally haven't been able to do a proper comparison between the 2 formats so I can't say how much more improved UHD is. I've read a good amount of posts from members of both sides who say it is an improvement and others who say its not that much to do the full overhaul on upgrading to not even really telling a difference so it just makes the consensus very mixed. I just bought a new TV too so I definitely have no desire to upgrade anytime soon.

I do read a lot of posts from members though along the lines of no UHD no sale. That's how I get my impression that people think blu ray is no good anymore.

[Aragorn the Elfstone]

Originally Posted by MassiveMovieBuff

I don't think it's that so much. I think it's more of this sudden opinion that blu ray sucks now (atleast as how I've perceived it), like it's a blu ray vs. DVD situation, that UHD is out which isn't the case at all.

This is pretty much where I'm coming from.

[I KEEL YOU]

Originally Posted by MassiveMovieBuff

I don't think it's that so much. I think it's more of this sudden opinion that blu ray sucks now (atleast as how I've perceived it), like it's a blu ray vs. DVD situation, that UHD is out which isn't the case at all.

I've noticed that there are definitely some snobby people here who claim that UHD is a "drastic" improvement over normal blu ray, and if you don't believe that it is, then your equipment is not good enough. Even if you tell them that you've been to various electronics stores many times to watch UHD demos that are meant to make the technology look as appealing as possible on super expensive equipment that at least some of must be properly calibrated. And if you still aren't of the opinion that it is a "drastic" difference over ordinary HD, they're still like "There's gotta be something wrong with the equipment".

[Aragorn the Elfstone]

Originally Posted by I KEEL YOU

I've noticed that there are definitely some snobby people here who claim that UHD is a "drastic" improvement over normal blu ray, and if you don't believe that it is, then your equipment is not good enough. Even if you tell them that you've been to various electronics stores many times to watch UHD demos that are meant to make the technology look as appealing as possible on super expensive equipment that at least some of must be properly calibrated. And if you still aren't of the opinion that it is a "drastic" difference over ordinary HD, they're still like "There's gotta be something wrong with the equipment".

Yeah, it's frustrating. I made the concession above that my own equipment is not good enough to display HDR correctly, but the fact remains that I have seen it on displays in store as well. I've seen what the advocates are talking about. I've seen the deeper blacks, the brilliant highlights, the wider spectrum of colors, etc. But I just don't agree that it makes Blu-ray "flat" or "unwatchable" or whatever else they want to say.

I suppose you can get used to the advances that UHD offers, and then you'll want more of that. But why can't I choose just to be happy with Blu-ray? It's a great format that looks stunning on my set. I also get frustrated with the DVD comparisons. That's false equivalency. DVDs did not looks this good on my HD set when I got it. I upgraded to BD because of the shortcomings of DVD, not because I needed "the very, very best".

I presume the time will come when HDR becomes widespread - when it's used in broadcasts, phones, tablets, computers, etc. But when will that be? Will UHD Blu-ray even still be around by then? Or will streaming/digital downloads have taken over? I don't particularly want that, but why should I invest in something now that I neither feel the desire for, nor can guarantee will even be around by the time HDR becomes a typical part of home media (if it does). And, of course, even if I did, I don't have the equipment to take full advantage of it.

I don't have anything against people who are fully into UHD Blu-ray. I really don't. I just wish I'd stop hearing how behind the times I am for "only" supporting Blu-ray and how I need to "see the light". It's just nonsense.

[MassiveMovieBuff]

Originally Posted by I KEEL YOU

I've noticed that there are definitely some snobby people here who claim that UHD is a "drastic" improvement over normal blu ray, and if you don't believe that it is, then your equipment is not good enough. Even if you tell them that you've been to various electronics stores many times to watch UHD demos that are meant to make the technology look as appealing as possible on super expensive equipment that at least some of must be properly calibrated. And if you still aren't of the opinion that it is a "drastic" difference over ordinary HD, they're still like "There's gotta be something wrong with the equipment".

Yeah that's another thing that's been on my mind with UHD as well. If calibration is a big factor it seems like more of a headache from what it sounds like. Maybe its not that difficult, I don't know but if it is I'm good with just sticking with blu. I'm not hugely tech savvy.