Star Trek: The Original Motion Picture Collection (1979-1991)

[jacksonwalker]

Originally Posted by captainsolo

There's two original runs of DVDs before they did the big remastering that produced the DNR'd screwy color master that became the Blu-ray source.

The original DVDs for 2-6 were 1 disc movie only early releases that I think were likely ported from an abandoned ac3 Laserdisc reissue plan. Paramount had been quietly doing ac3 5.1 remasters on LD late in the format and these all were early to show up on DVD as ports (Red October, Patriot Games, Apocalypse Now etc) Some if not most were non-anamorphic. Khan is surprisingly anamorphic with a pretty nice transfer. All had 5.1 ac3 which should be either upmixes of the 2.0 or sourced from six track made for 70mm blowups.

TMP had the Director's Cut process which resulted in the 2 disc DVD release and then Paramount went the full 2 disc SE route for the others. It seems they reused some of the previous DVD masters on certain titles and others had new masters made. They upgraded to dual layered anamorphically enhanced DVDs and apparently did do some audio work on certain titles. You can see how they look compared to the final DNR'd master on capsaholic but keep in mind the DVD shots are from the PAL versions.

I've never owned the first movie only DVDs so I'm only able to guess or read old reviews to try and figure out what they're like. The 2 disc SEs on 2-6 for the most part should be similar but with improved quality plus all the extras. You can get these for dirt cheap nowadays. I had a few and then stumbled across the whole 10 film box version for $5. You have to check the boxes as they did many repackagings of both runs of discs. The TOS crew box is the first photo and the second is the full 10 film set-but both came out with the single DVDs and the 2 disc SE DVDs.

That is so much more information then I wanted to know.

[JohnCarpenterLives]

Originally Posted by jacksonwalker

That is so much more information then I wanted to know.

I'll never know which DVDs are better than the blurays.

[Protozoid]

It's really a pity that there aren't director's cuts or extended cuts of more Trek films. Star Trek V and Nemesis are the ones that seem obvious.

I know V is the butt of many jokes, but it really isn't that bad, imho, and a director's cut might improve it somewhat. I think I read on the Wikipedia page that the studio had him trim several minutes of footage from the movie, and the special effects were a disaster. Even if going over budget was Shatner's fault, that doesn't mean that the movie wouldn't benefit from a recut.

With Nemesis, the director (who is more famous as an editor) cut something like 50 minutes of character scenes and left the cast feeling pretty upset. I think Frakes regrets not directing it (iirc he was offered the job). As far as I know, the theatrical cut was the director's cut, but this might be one case where an extended edition for home video might be better than the director's preferred version.

There might be some little nips and tucks that were made to Insurrection that could be undone, but I think it's only about 4 minutes? (Based on my memory of Michael Piller's making-of book.)

I think Paramount would earn a huge amount of good will from the fandom (and the cast of the films) if they released director's cuts. Even though there are probably the least-popular Trek films, tons of Trekkies would rent and/or buy them just to give them a shot. It would be a big event in the Trek community to have any single Trek film get a new cut, even one of the "bad" ones. In fact, it's almost better if it's a bad one. If they announced they were recutting The Wrath of Khan, people would be nervous about them ruining it. But a recut of The Final Frontier? People would be curious, guaranteed. I know I'd buy the whole boxed set again.

[calmblueocean81]

Originally Posted by JohnCarpenterLives

I'll never know which DVDs are better than the blurays.

Would that be the general consensus though? Do most people prefer the DVDs over the blus? Just curious!

I bought most of the movies twice on DVD in the UK: first releases with shiny holo-covers, then the second 2-disc special edition releases with slips. But capsaholic also references a "remastered" edition (with the currently used covers) that I don't remember being released.....

[Jlouisbarrett]

Originally Posted by Protozoid

It's really a pity that there aren't director's cuts or extended cuts of more Trek films. Star Trek V and Nemesis are the ones that seem obvious.

I know V is the butt of many jokes, but it really isn't that bad, imho, and a director's cut might improve it somewhat. I think I read on the Wikipedia page that the studio had him trim several minutes of footage from the movie, and the special effects were a disaster. Even if going over budget was Shatner's fault, that doesn't mean that the movie wouldn't benefit from a recut.

With Nemesis, the director (who is more famous as an editor) cut something like 50 minutes of character scenes and left the cast feeling pretty upset. I think Frakes regrets not directing it (iirc he was offered the job). As far as I know, the theatrical cut was the director's cut, but this might be one case where an extended edition for home video might be better than the director's preferred version.

There might be some little nips and tucks that were made to Insurrection that could be undone, but I think it's only about 4 minutes? (Based on my memory of Michael Piller's making-of book.)

I think Paramount would earn a huge amount of good will from the fandom (and the cast of the films) if they released director's cuts. Even though there are probably the least-popular Trek films, tons of Trekkies would rent and/or buy them just to give them a shot. It would be a big event in the Trek community to have any single Trek film get a new cut, even one of the "bad" ones. In fact, it's almost better if it's a bad one. If they announced they were recutting The Wrath of Khan, people would be nervous about them ruining it. But a recut of The Final Frontier? People would be curious, guaranteed. I know I'd buy the whole boxed set again.

I don’t mind Nemesis as much as some people, but Stuart Baird doing a director’s cut would not make that movie any better. It’d still be a Stuart Baird Star Trek movie.

[Jeyl]

Originally Posted by Bolty

No she wasn't. That was the aide-de-camp to the commander in chief of Starfleet

Why would she still be there? The meeting was adjourned.

[Jeyl]

Originally Posted by Protozoid

I know V is the butt of many jokes, but it really isn't that bad, imho, and a director's cut might improve it somewhat. I think I read on the Wikipedia page that the studio had him trim several minutes of footage from the movie, and the special effects were a disaster. Even if going over budget was Shatner's fault, that doesn't mean that the movie wouldn't benefit from a recut.

I don't think a Director's Cut of V would improve much. Best case scenario would be that the visual effects would be better, but that would be it. The real issues that V has are all in it's foundation from which everything was built on. It's like the Special Edition of ALIEN³. It's definitely a better cut of the movie for sure, but it doesn't fix any of the issues that makes it my most hated film of all time.

With a Director's Cut of V, we're still going to get the incompetent Starfleet, a busted up Enterprise-A, the crew betraying Kirk, the Klingon who sets out on a murder spree because he's bored and that uncomfortable tone shift from comedic antics with rocket boots to doctors performing euthanasia on their own family.

The movie would be better off if V were treated as a comedic one-shot that isn't meant to be taken as a serious entry in Star Trek. Going from IV to VI is a far more natural progression than V to VI. It carries the same themes, it doesn't contradict characters or story and the crew don't betray Kirk over a therapy session.

[Bolty]

Originally Posted by Jeyl

Why would she still be there? The meeting was adjourned.

Why would she still be there? Your guess is as good as mine. But it is in fact her. If you watch her character after she announces the commander-in-chief she walks to the back of the room to that very spot and she sits down. If you also look at her clothing the particulars of her uniform you can clearly see that it is her. I do not know why the character or the actress was sitting there but it is her. Get a big TV with a big screen and pop in the Blu-ray. It's her -- the Asian lady.

[GrouchoFan]

Originally Posted by Jeyl

Why would she still be there? The meeting was adjourned.

She was spying for Valeris and Admiral Cartwright.

[Jeyl]

Originally Posted by GrouchoFan

She was spying for Valeris and Admiral Cartwright.

That'll work.

[ShellBeacher]

Originally Posted by Protozoid

It's really a pity that there aren't director's cuts or extended cuts of more Trek films. Star Trek V and Nemesis are the ones that seem obvious.

With Nemesis, the director (who is more famous as an editor) cut something like 50 minutes of character scenes and left the cast feeling pretty upset. I think Frakes regrets not directing it (iirc he was offered the job). As far as I know, the theatrical cut was the director's cut, but this might be one case where an extended edition for home video might be better than the director's preferred version.

All the deleted character scenes from NEMESIS are great to look at if you're a fan, but I just can't see how they would have all fit into the already-existing feature. Simply put, there's no way that Paramount would have released a 2:30/2:45 min. cut of the film to theaters. It was never going to happen. So yes, the problems with the film are at its source, its origin, its filmmakers. To be inserted back in for a fan-friendly cut for home video, perhaps, but any fan could realistically do that themselves, these days (probably already have). I just don't see it worth it to Paramount.

Sames answer for V. I don't think they'll revisit it.

They will remaster all existing films in 4K, and hopefully provide all of the already-existing publicly-released cuts of things like I, II and VI (even if only one cut each is fully 4K remastered). As most of us already know -- TMP Director's Version is the one that takes the most work/money to really properly convert over to HD/UHD. The buzz is that they are apparently just at that precipice of really pushing the green light. Hopefully some profits made from Paramount+ will push them over.

I held onto the complete set of remastered DVDs I bought when living in England (mainly for the beautiful art/slipcovers), now I'm glad I did.

Originally Posted by Jeyl

That'll work.

See Kirk's reaction from :40

Star Trek VI The Undiscovered Country - The Secret Weapon - YouTube

Kirk's reaction to Valeris' "'Let them die' you said" is all I really need as a viewer to understand that Kirk is shellshocked by his own words, not only from the trial, but that she somehow discovered that "private" conversation with Spock. It could very well be surmised that they were bugged back in that room -- and of course the whole film is Meyer's reflection on the Cold War. These were known tactics. So for reasonably knowledgeable viewers who know their recent history...the cultural parallels should be obvious.

https://www.politico.com/magazine/st...ss-bug-215174/

Anyway, great scene in a great movie. VI has always been one of my favorites!

[Jeyl]

Originally Posted by ShellBeacher

All the deleted character scenes from NEMESIS are great to look at if you're a fan, but I just can't see how they would have all fit into the already-existing feature. Simply put, there's no way that Paramount would have released a 2:30/2:45 min. cut of the film to theaters. It was never going to happen. So yes, the problems with the film are at its source, its origin, its filmmakers. To be inserted back in for a fan-friendly cut for home video, perhaps, but any fan could realistically do that themselves, these days (probably already have). I just don't see it worth it to Paramount.

I'm just thinking about how much time and money the studio would have saved if they had cut out the dune buggy scene entirely. It's a scene that goes nowhere, does nothing and is never referenced again. Just cut everything on the planet after Picard says "This doesn't feel right" and you just shaved off a good two to three minutes.

[ShellBeacher]

Originally Posted by Jeyl

I'm just thinking about how much time and money the studio would have saved if they had cut out the dune buggy scene entirely. It's a scene that goes nowhere, does nothing and is never referenced again. Just cut everything on the planet after Picard says "This doesn't feel right" and you just shaved off a good two to three minutes.

Well...My bet is that sequence and certain other things may have been interests from the studio, themselves... there was some notion at the time that the series could use more "action"...and/or that how "Insurrection" (whose own finale was re-shot) ultimately turned out mandated a more "intense" "action-oriented" follow-up... but this was always the back-and-forth with the Trek films from Paramount prior to the Kelvin era.

[Bolty]

Originally Posted by Jeyl

I'm just thinking about how much time and money the studio would have saved if they had cut out the dune buggy scene entirely. It's a scene that goes nowhere, does nothing and is never referenced again. Just cut everything on the planet after Picard says "This doesn't feel right" and you just shaved off a good two to three minutes.

100% agree. Not just for the reason you state but also because basically they are killing and maiming aliens on another planet for absolutely no justifiable reason. Whatever happened to the prime directive? They're spotted by the aliens and then had the audacity to shoot them for doing what their prone to do on their own world. At least they should have just evaded capture without firing back at them. But it sure looks like some of them died when their vehicles overturned.
By the way I absolutely love the rest of Nemesis. So this is not somebody just finding another reason to say that the movie sucks. I always thought if they wanted to have an action sequence at the beginning on that particular Planet just have them run into some jem'hadar who had a really big supply of ketracel-white and have survived on the planet for several years since the end of the war. Then they could be attacked by the jem'hadar and they could retaliate without being actual villains.

[PeterTHX]

Originally Posted by GrouchoFan

She was spying for Valeris and Admiral Cartwright.

Originally Posted by Jeyl

That'll work.

Wonder how that came up?

Originally Posted by PeterTHX

Still, there was a witness to the exchange between Kirk & Spock and "let them die!". She may have been working for Admiral Cartwright. As Valeris said, there were a lot of people on both sides who didn't want peace.

[Ernest Rister]

Originally Posted by Jeyl

Why would she still be there? The meeting was adjourned.

She got to be in the room where it happened,
the room where it happened,
the room where it happened.

She got to be in the room where it happened,
the room where it happened,
the room where it happened.

Click. Boom.

[Neon Rabbit]

Originally Posted by JohnCarpenterLives

I'll never know which DVDs are better than the blurays.

I never owned the initial barebones releases either but I have all of the 2 disc collector's editions and I have never been able to bring myself to part with them because of how sub par the current Blu-rays are. The last time I watched The Voyage Home on Blu-ray I couldn't get over how much of a wax fest it was while my digital copy one VUDU looked basically like the DVD but in HD.

[JohnCarpenterLives]

Originally Posted by Neon Rabbit

I never owned the initial barebones releases either but I have all of the 2 disc collector's editions and I have never been able to bring myself to part with them because of how sub par the current Blu-rays are. The last time I watched The Voyage Home on Blu-ray I couldn't get over how much of a wax fest it was while my digital copy one VUDU looked basically like the DVD but in HD.

Thanks! In that case I'll seek out the singular 2 disc editions. I have only seen the ST films on bluray. All of them. I've enjoyed what I have since it's ALL that I have.

The DVDs will be a fantastic rewatch. That's partly why I need to know which edition(s) I need to get.

[calmblueocean81]

Originally Posted by Neon Rabbit

I never owned the initial barebones releases either but I have all of the 2 disc collector's editions and I have never been able to bring myself to part with them because of how sub par the current Blu-rays are. The last time I watched The Voyage Home on Blu-ray I couldn't get over how much of a wax fest it was while my digital copy one VUDU looked basically like the DVD but in HD.

Originally Posted by JohnCarpenterLives

Thanks! In that case I'll seek out the singular 2 disc editions. I have only seen the ST films on bluray. All of them. I've enjoyed what I have since it's ALL that I have.

The DVDs will be a fantastic rewatch. That's partly why I need to know which edition(s) I need to get.

Thats why I was wondering about these "remastered" edition DVDs that came out after the 2-disc collectors editions. Are they are massive improvement?

This:
https://www.blu-ray.com/dvd/Star-Tre...try-DVD/23574/
vs this:
https://www.blu-ray.com/dvd/Star-Tre...ry-DVD/105868/

[Comicfan]

I know V is the butt of many jokes, but it really isn't that bad, imho, and a director's cut might improve it somewhat. I think I read on the Wikipedia page that the studio had him trim several minutes of footage from the movie, and the special effects were a disaster. Even if going over budget was Shatner's fault, that doesn't mean that the movie wouldn't benefit from a recut.

I love the Kirk/Spock/Bones stuff in Star Trek V.