Indy V Plot "Cracked"

[mjbethancourt]

Originally Posted by jadedeath

You watched Indy 4... and the style of motorcycle is what you had a problem with..........

Logan

'Crystal Skulll' haters just seem to have a serious problem with wrapping their brain around the fact that some of us could let go and have fun with it, probably because we didn't go into it already having the script written in our heads and come out angry because it turned out different. Like most others, I go to the movies to be entertained, not to get pissed off. It sold a ton of tickets, and a lot of home videos. Haters are the minority... a loud, outspoken minority.

[jadedeath]

Originally Posted by mjbethancourt

'Crystal Skulll' haters just seem to have a serious problem with wrapping their brain around the fact that some of us could let go and have fun with it, probably because we didn't go into it already having the script written in our heads and come out angry because it turned out different. Like most others, I go to the movies to be entertained, not to get pissed off. It sold a ton of tickets, and a lot of home videos. Haters are the minority... a loud, outspoken minority.

It's not a matter of letting go and having fun.

There are certain absolutely ridiculous things that take people out of their suspense of disbelief.

The funny response when I say that from the people who kiss Lucas' @$$ is that "it's an Indy movie... ridiculous stuff happens all the time like with the arc" My response to that is "yes and no" with the religious magical artifacts that's come to be expected because it's a fantasy movie. But when you don't expect it to happen like Indy getting nuked in a fridge, it tends to take people out of the movie with how asinine it is.

Also, haters aren't the minority, http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0367882/ You don't get a 6.7 rating by having people all over the movie love it.

Considering that on IMDB a 6.7 is about an average rating, that's pretty pathetic considering the amount of money that it made.

Not only that, most folks go to the movies to be entertained, but when what they're seeing could have easily been made by Uwe Boll that entertainment factor just isn't there. Give Uwe Boll the amount of a budget that Indy 4 had and you'll end up with a FAR better result.

Logan

[Beast]

Please. The Fridge scene was no more asinine than any other death defying moment in any of the the other films. And is a hell of a lot better than the Raft scene in Temple of Doom. The film was as good as the original, and certainly above the 2nd and 3rd films in the series. The only reason there's so much whining about it, is because there's a bunch of jaded adults seeing it who fell in love with the originals when they were kids.

[shuah]

Originally Posted by Beast

Please. The Fridge scene was no more asinine than any other death defying moment in any of the the other films. And is a hell of a lot better than the Raft scene in Temple of Doom.

I agree. I think all of the films are of equal quality to KotCS. Most peoples problem with KotCS wasn't that it was, somehow, more unbelievable than the other movies. Their problem was that they grew up on the first three. A certain degree of nostalgia is assigned to the original trilogy. With KotCS, there is not.
I, personally, find it difficult to enjoy any of them, but I think all of the KotCS complainers should watch all 4 movies, marathon style, every weekend for a month. They'll either realize that the first 3 are just as poorly concocted as the 4th, or they'll realize that they enjoy Kingdom of the Crystal Skull just as much as they enjoy Raiders of the Lost Ark, Temple of Doom and The Last Crusade.

[Chordata]

Looking forward to it!

They've all been entertaining IMO. That's all I look for in a movie.

[jadedeath]

Originally Posted by shuah

I agree. I think all of the films are of equal quality to KotCS. Most peoples problem with KotCS wasn't that it was, somehow, more unbelievable than the other movies.

Uh, no, it's because being nuked in a fridge is so far beyond the realm of believability that it hurts anyone who's watched any of the other movies.

Their problem was that they grew up on the first three. A certain degree of nostalgia is assigned to the original trilogy. With KotCS, there is not.

Again wrong, how many times can you be wrong in the same paragraph I wonder... let's find out...

I, personally, find it difficult to enjoy any of them, but I think all of the KotCS complainers should watch all 4 movies, marathon style, every weekend for a month.

Why would people torture themselves with the 4th one over and over again?

That's like saying, "hey, I know you don't like Uwe Boll movies, but watch House of the Dead every weekend for a month, you'll eventually see that you don't like it that much more than at the beginning"

That's a pretty asinine plan.

They'll either realize that the first 3 are just as poorly concocted as the 4th, or they'll realize that they enjoy Kingdom of the Crystal Skull just as much as they enjoy Raiders of the Lost Ark, Temple of Doom and The Last Crusade.

So please, tell us Mr Film School reject, what was wrong with numbers 1 and 3?

Logan

[cajmoyper]

Jadedeath, I know it's sounds in your head like you're answering the question: why is so and so wrong or bad, but all of your answers in essence have been "because so and so is wrong and bad."

[MCT]

yeah man, everyone has a right to voice their opinion. One of the best things about being an American.

Some just suck more than others.

[jadedeath]

Originally Posted by cajmoyper

Jadedeath, I know it's sounds in your head like you're answering the question: why is so and so wrong or bad, but all of your answers in essence have been "because so and so is wrong and bad."

Alright, here's the thing.

How about someone tell you to watch the movie that you hate the most, over and over again until you like it.

Does that sound... right to you?

Logan

[toddr78]

IMO the mixed feelings stem from the fact that each movie after Raiders attempted to expand and target a different audience.

Temple of Doom attempted to attract both the fans of the original and the younger audience with "Short Round"

Last Crusade attempted to bring back the Indy magic of Raiders (Indy fighting the Nazis again).

Crystal Skull attempts to target far too wide an audience...fans of the originals, their kids, and their kids-kids.

Raiders and Last Crusade both interweaved history, while Temple of Doom targeted a fictitious tribe's plight. In Crystal Skull, they attempted to bring back historical anecdotes (almost felt like Forrest Gump at moments) with the atomic bomb facility.

George Lucas wrote all of the films...so it's unfair to blame Spielberg if we don't love the storyline.

I think Indy 4 fits in with the over-the-top scenarios, but IMO that's consistent with the other films. I just think the storyline content was weaker than Raiders or Last Crusade.

A great storyline would be Indy in search of Atlantis.

Thoughts?

[GLaDOS]

Originally Posted by toddr78

IMO the mixed feelings stem from the fact that each movie after Raiders attempted to expand and target a different audience.

Temple of Doom attempted to attract both the fans of the original and the younger audience with "Short Round"

Last Crusade attempted to bring back the Indy magic of Raiders (Indy fighting the Nazis again).

Crystal Skull attempts to target far too wide an audience...fans of the originals, their kids, and their kids-kids.

Raiders and Last Crusade both interweaved history, while Temple of Doom targeted a fictitious tribe's plight. In Crystal Skull, they attempted to bring back historical anecdotes (almost felt like Forrest Gump at moments) with the atomic bomb facility.

George Lucas wrote all of the films...so it's unfair to blame Spielberg if we don't love the storyline.

I think Indy 4 fits in with the over-the-top scenarios, but IMO that's consistent with the other films. I just think the storyline content was weaker than Raiders or Last Crusade.

A great storyline would be Indy in search of Atlantis.

Thoughts?

I got nothing.

However, maybe Indy can do the search for Shangri-La, but then again we have Uncharted 2.

[shuah]

Originally Posted by jadedeath

Uh, no, it's because being nuked in a fridge is so far beyond the realm of believability that it hurts anyone who's watched any of the other movies.

Well, I don't see why it hurts so much. Are you talking about emotional or physical pain? Because it isn't any less painful to watch than healing Sean Connery's wound with baking soda and vinegar. It isn't any less believable than the Castle Templar having metal blade traps that still operate.

Originally Posted by jadedeath

Again wrong, how many times can you be wrong in the same paragraph I wonder... let's find out...

Calling somebody wrong without raising a proper retort does not a proper argument make.

Originally Posted by jadedeath

Why would people torture themselves with the 4th one over and over again?

To prove a point. React to my quotes in context, please.

Originally Posted by jadedeath

That's like saying, "hey, I know you don't like Uwe Boll movies, but watch House of the Dead every weekend for a month, you'll eventually see that you don't like it that much more than at the beginning"

That's a pretty asinine plan.

Once again, you've failed to comprehend the context of the original statement. I'm wondering what your reading comprehension skills rate as.
Your point would make sense if I was telling people who, like me, didn't enjoy Indiana Jones to watch all 4 movies.
I'm challenging people who think the 4th is, somehow, remarkably different from the other 3 - or the greater two of those 3, or whatever - to watch the fourth film. Don't watch it as an isolated movie. Watch it in the context of the other three.
I'm challenging you to continue complaining about the differences, once you've given yourself a chance to watch it in direct contrast to the other three.
I suggested multiple tries at the marathon viewing because the first couple viewings are most likely going to be playing to a closed mind. Once you've watched all four movies four times, however, I'm guessing that the emotional reaction will have waned and you'll be more likely to make a rational and scientific judgment.

Originally Posted by jadedeath

So please, tell us Mr Film School reject, what was wrong with numbers 1 and 3?

Logan

OMG! How did you know I went to film school?
I'm not talking about quality of art.
I'm talking about quality of entertainment.
As far as entertainment value is concerned, the playing field is level between all 4 Indiana Jones movies. You don't need a film school education to compare things as a viewer, anyway.
If I was wrong, you'd be giving me more valid retorts that actually had some detail. Instead, you're giving me emotional reactions and blanket outbursts. Why? Because nostalgia is an emotion and that makes your primary argument for Indiana Jones too emotional to argue against them being much more than nostalgic.

[Chordata]

For crying out loud, I thought we were finally past this silly squabble.

[iamsparticus9]

I know he's to old now but I would have enjoyed seeing a Col. Indy WWII movie. plus i liked the originals religious aspect the first one he went after the ark which man wasnt supposed to find. the second even had a religious aspect. then of course the third the quest for the grail and the whole good vs evil. then in the 4th it was just kinda out of nowhere aliens or interdimensional beings or whatever they were. i would have liked to seen him going after another religious symbol.

i did enjoy them bringing marion back I felt she was missing from part 3 as they appeared to be back together at the end of the first one.

[SquidPuppet]

Originally Posted by Beast

Please. The Fridge scene was no more asinine than any other death defying moment in any of the the other films. And is a hell of a lot better than the Raft scene in Temple of Doom. The film was as good as the original, and certainly above the 2nd and 3rd films in the series. The only reason there's so much whining about it, is because there's a bunch of jaded adults seeing it who fell in love with the originals when they were kids.

Beast, I am curious. What year did you first see Raiders of the Lost Ark?

[Diesel]

Jones needs to tag-team with Captain Jack Sparrow to find the fountain of youth so that they can keep making sequels for all eternity


sorry, was that too much sarcasm?

but seriously, i'd watch a 5th one for sure
i didn't despise Skull
was it flawed, have insanely stupid moments, and instances of bad effects?
of course
but i still watched it and didn't feel the need to stab my eyes out.
but thats just me

[SquidPuppet]

Originally Posted by Diesel

Jones needs to tag-team with Captain Jack Sparrow to find the fountain of youth so that they can keep making sequels for all eternity

No no no no..... Sparrow and Indy look for National Treasure 3 and Cage has become the villian.

[Diesel]

Originally Posted by SquidPuppet

No no no no..... Sparrow and Indy look for National Treasure 3 and Cage has become the villian.

....with a mini-gun?

[thedarkangel1975]

Originally Posted by Beast

Please. The Fridge scene was no more asinine than any other death defying moment in any of the the other films. And is a hell of a lot better than the Raft scene in Temple of Doom. The film was as good as the original, and certainly above the 2nd and 3rd films in the series. The only reason there's so much whining about it, is because there's a bunch of jaded adults seeing it who fell in love with the originals when they were kids.

Thank you. Don't forget the guy that can rip hearts out in Temple of Doom. Crawling under the truck in the first. I like the 4th but it is not better then the Last Cruade. It is the third best in the series IMO and I liked them all.