Indy V Plot "Cracked"

[Suntory_Times]

Originally Posted by BTobin

they'll just over use the effects again and ruin it...the Labeouf kid did most of the damage but the effects didn't help...Lucas' scripts are starting to rely too heavily on CG and less on the acting...better were the days when he got his buddies to direct and write his films while he just came up with the Stories...I'm talking Willow, Star Wars 4-6, those were the days...I mean I still like the new star wars and I got Indy 4 because it was cheap and it was a three for 20 bucks deal, but they really can't compare...but a 5th one really is pushing it

In all honesty, if anyone is to blaim for the overuse of cgi in Indy 4 it is Spielberg. I can't wait for a fifth one.

[P@t_Mtl]

Originally Posted by GGX

There are people out there that actually LIKED Indy IV!?

Yes, more then you might think actualy, what a shocker people with different taste then others, where is this world is going too??

I really don't understand what is the problem with those who don't like Indy 4 that others might enjoy the movie. Please get over it! There are many movies I love that you do not and many you love that I don't. It does not make one stupid, just different then you.

[GLaDOS]

Originally Posted by GGX

There are people out there that actually LIKED Indy IV!?

Guilty.

[groove93]

Now I'm not the Biggest Indy fan on the Planet but I actually enjoyed KOTCS. I saw it for the first time last week and I thought it was quite entertaining. I wasn't looking for some intellectually stimulating goof off in my pants type of movie. It was a popcorn flick and that's what I was expecting.

Personally I could not stand hearing Kate Capshaw screaming every 25 seconds in The Temple of Doom, so this newer movie was a relief.

Different strokes for different folks I guess.

It's not that serious.

[JUDGEMENT 4400]

I thought Crystal Skull was entertaining, but not as good as the originals. I hope for Indy 5, Speilberg ditches the old camera to make it look like the originals, and use ALOT LESS CGI, and more practical, in-camera, live-action special effects. "Only 30% of the FX were CGI" my ass.

But still, bring it on, I'd like to see what they do.

[jadedeath]

Originally Posted by mjbethancourt

'Crystal Skulll' haters just seem to have a serious problem with wrapping their brain around the fact that some of us could let go and have fun with it, probably because we didn't go into it already having the script written in our heads and come out angry because it turned out different. Like most others, I go to the movies to be entertained, not to get pissed off. It sold a ton of tickets, and a lot of home videos. Haters are the minority... a loud, outspoken minority.

It's not a matter of letting go and having fun.

There are certain absolutely ridiculous things that take people out of their suspense of disbelief.

The funny response when I say that from the people who kiss Lucas' @$$ is that "it's an Indy movie... ridiculous stuff happens all the time like with the arc" My response to that is "yes and no" with the religious magical artifacts that's come to be expected because it's a fantasy movie. But when you don't expect it to happen like Indy getting nuked in a fridge, it tends to take people out of the movie with how asinine it is.

Also, haters aren't the minority, http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0367882/ You don't get a 6.7 rating by having people all over the movie love it.

Considering that on IMDB a 6.7 is about an average rating, that's pretty pathetic considering the amount of money that it made.

Not only that, most folks go to the movies to be entertained, but when what they're seeing could have easily been made by Uwe Boll that entertainment factor just isn't there. Give Uwe Boll the amount of a budget that Indy 4 had and you'll end up with a FAR better result.

Logan

[Beast]

Please. The Fridge scene was no more asinine than any other death defying moment in any of the the other films. And is a hell of a lot better than the Raft scene in Temple of Doom. The film was as good as the original, and certainly above the 2nd and 3rd films in the series. The only reason there's so much whining about it, is because there's a bunch of jaded adults seeing it who fell in love with the originals when they were kids.

[shuah]

Originally Posted by cajmoyper

I'm not all that certain what "cracked" means but as the only person in the world who more than enjoyed KotCS, I can say I'm excited to see this new one. But what I'm confused over is that everybody says that Spielberg's heart "wasn't in it". So why do another one? Idk, I just like big expolsions and non-sensical action accompanied by barely any story.

IGN link

"Cracked" means that they figured out what they want the plot to be and that they worked all of the kinks out and they're ready to flesh-out the actual script's first draft.

[shuah]

Originally Posted by Beast

Please. The Fridge scene was no more asinine than any other death defying moment in any of the the other films. And is a hell of a lot better than the Raft scene in Temple of Doom.

I agree. I think all of the films are of equal quality to KotCS. Most peoples problem with KotCS wasn't that it was, somehow, more unbelievable than the other movies. Their problem was that they grew up on the first three. A certain degree of nostalgia is assigned to the original trilogy. With KotCS, there is not.
I, personally, find it difficult to enjoy any of them, but I think all of the KotCS complainers should watch all 4 movies, marathon style, every weekend for a month. They'll either realize that the first 3 are just as poorly concocted as the 4th, or they'll realize that they enjoy Kingdom of the Crystal Skull just as much as they enjoy Raiders of the Lost Ark, Temple of Doom and The Last Crusade.

[Chordata]

Looking forward to it!

They've all been entertaining IMO. That's all I look for in a movie.

[jadedeath]

Originally Posted by shuah

I agree. I think all of the films are of equal quality to KotCS. Most peoples problem with KotCS wasn't that it was, somehow, more unbelievable than the other movies.

Uh, no, it's because being nuked in a fridge is so far beyond the realm of believability that it hurts anyone who's watched any of the other movies.

Their problem was that they grew up on the first three. A certain degree of nostalgia is assigned to the original trilogy. With KotCS, there is not.

Again wrong, how many times can you be wrong in the same paragraph I wonder... let's find out...

I, personally, find it difficult to enjoy any of them, but I think all of the KotCS complainers should watch all 4 movies, marathon style, every weekend for a month.

Why would people torture themselves with the 4th one over and over again?

That's like saying, "hey, I know you don't like Uwe Boll movies, but watch House of the Dead every weekend for a month, you'll eventually see that you don't like it that much more than at the beginning"

That's a pretty asinine plan.

They'll either realize that the first 3 are just as poorly concocted as the 4th, or they'll realize that they enjoy Kingdom of the Crystal Skull just as much as they enjoy Raiders of the Lost Ark, Temple of Doom and The Last Crusade.

So please, tell us Mr Film School reject, what was wrong with numbers 1 and 3?

Logan

[cajmoyper]

Jadedeath, I know it's sounds in your head like you're answering the question: why is so and so wrong or bad, but all of your answers in essence have been "because so and so is wrong and bad."

[MCT]

yeah man, everyone has a right to voice their opinion. One of the best things about being an American.

Some just suck more than others.

[jadedeath]

Originally Posted by cajmoyper

Jadedeath, I know it's sounds in your head like you're answering the question: why is so and so wrong or bad, but all of your answers in essence have been "because so and so is wrong and bad."

Alright, here's the thing.

How about someone tell you to watch the movie that you hate the most, over and over again until you like it.

Does that sound... right to you?

Logan

[toddr78]

IMO the mixed feelings stem from the fact that each movie after Raiders attempted to expand and target a different audience.

Temple of Doom attempted to attract both the fans of the original and the younger audience with "Short Round"

Last Crusade attempted to bring back the Indy magic of Raiders (Indy fighting the Nazis again).

Crystal Skull attempts to target far too wide an audience...fans of the originals, their kids, and their kids-kids.

Raiders and Last Crusade both interweaved history, while Temple of Doom targeted a fictitious tribe's plight. In Crystal Skull, they attempted to bring back historical anecdotes (almost felt like Forrest Gump at moments) with the atomic bomb facility.

George Lucas wrote all of the films...so it's unfair to blame Spielberg if we don't love the storyline.

I think Indy 4 fits in with the over-the-top scenarios, but IMO that's consistent with the other films. I just think the storyline content was weaker than Raiders or Last Crusade.

A great storyline would be Indy in search of Atlantis.

Thoughts?

[GLaDOS]

Originally Posted by toddr78

IMO the mixed feelings stem from the fact that each movie after Raiders attempted to expand and target a different audience.

Temple of Doom attempted to attract both the fans of the original and the younger audience with "Short Round"

Last Crusade attempted to bring back the Indy magic of Raiders (Indy fighting the Nazis again).

Crystal Skull attempts to target far too wide an audience...fans of the originals, their kids, and their kids-kids.

Raiders and Last Crusade both interweaved history, while Temple of Doom targeted a fictitious tribe's plight. In Crystal Skull, they attempted to bring back historical anecdotes (almost felt like Forrest Gump at moments) with the atomic bomb facility.

George Lucas wrote all of the films...so it's unfair to blame Spielberg if we don't love the storyline.

I think Indy 4 fits in with the over-the-top scenarios, but IMO that's consistent with the other films. I just think the storyline content was weaker than Raiders or Last Crusade.

A great storyline would be Indy in search of Atlantis.

Thoughts?

I got nothing.

However, maybe Indy can do the search for Shangri-La, but then again we have Uncharted 2.

[cajmoyper]

Originally Posted by jadedeath

Alright, here's the thing.

How about someone tell you to watch the movie that you hate the most, over and over again until you like it.

Does that sound... right to you?

Logan

Ok then, let me ask you this: Why are you in here then? You like to torture yourself?

[SquidPuppet]

Originally Posted by Beast

Please. The Fridge scene was no more asinine than any other death defying moment in any of the the other films. And is a hell of a lot better than the Raft scene in Temple of Doom. The film was as good as the original, and certainly above the 2nd and 3rd films in the series. The only reason there's so much whining about it, is because there's a bunch of jaded adults seeing it who fell in love with the originals when they were kids.

Beast, I am curious. What year did you first see Raiders of the Lost Ark?

[jadedeath]

Originally Posted by cajmoyper

Ok then, let me ask you this: Why are you in here then? You like to torture yourself?

Nope, I like correcting people that are so wrong they should be writhing on the ground in pain.

Logan

[Chordata]

You can't correct someone's opinion.