Can Beauty Be A Hindrance In Getting Roles As It Is Being Average Looking?

[Poya]

Hollywood movies tend to cast attractive people in roles, even if they're not meant for them. I can remember Licorice Pizza being considered groundbreaking for doing the exact opposite.

That said, does anyone here think attractive actors can also be hindered by their looks when it comes to the roles they get or not get?

[Martoto]

I was going to say I don't care if more attractive people than me get hindered. But after contemplation, I do think I care. In fact I'm all for it.

[Steedeel]

Is this Blu-ray.com or Vogue magazine?

[NARMAK]

Charlize Theron in Monster. Colin Farrell as Penguin in The Batman and countless other examples where you can use make up and weight gain to make actors look less good looking.

A truth is that we watch movies and TV shows as a form of escapism and because of social media, we've become hyper exposed to "attractive" and significantly above average people on a daily basis. Before the internet, it was movies, magazines and rarely in person we would come across these people. Open up Instagram, Facebook, Tik Tok etc. and nowadays you'd think the majority of people are "good looking" and you're not. That's before you even consider the perverse use of filters on average people.

It's even worse when you realise that movie studios etc. have over recent years started using filters on their actors too. I noticed this on quite a few K Dramas and stuff i watched where women and also men were filtered to give an impression of more pale/white perfectly porcelain skin. An unfortunate Eastern beauty standard 99% really will never be able to match.

In truth, Hollywood has always used "above average" looking actors as leading ladies and men. That's always going to be the case but there's also exceptions where people look more "average" to be relatable to regular folks too.

[Poya]

Originally Posted by NARMAK

Charlize Theron in Monster. Colin Farrell as Penguin in The Batman and countless other examples where you can use make up and weight gain to make actors look less good looking.

A truth is that we watch movies and TV shows as a form of escapism and because of social media, we've become hyper exposed to "attractive" and significantly above average people on a daily basis. Before the internet, it was movies, magazines and rarely in person we would come across these people. Open up Instagram, Facebook, Tik Tok etc. and nowadays you'd think the majority of people are "good looking" and you're not. That's before you even consider the perverse use of filters on average people.

It's even worse when you realise that movie studios etc. have over recent years started using filters on their actors too. I noticed this on quite a few K Dramas and stuff i watched where women and also men were filtered to give an impression of more pale/white perfectly porcelain skin. An unfortunate Eastern beauty standard 99% really will never be able to match.

In truth, Hollywood has always used "above average" looking actors as leading ladies and men. That's always going to be the case but there's also exceptions where people look more "average" to be relatable to regular folks too.

Colin Farrell was so miscast in that movie. I've only liked him in Martin McDonagh movies. Everything else? Not up to snuff. But speaking about the Penguin, that was tailor made for Josh Gad or Jonah Hill. Why not use them?

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by NARMAK

Charlize Theron in Monster. Colin Farrell as Penguin in The Batman and countless other examples where you can use make up and weight gain to make actors look less good looking.

A truth is that we watch movies and TV shows as a form of escapism and because of social media, we've become hyper exposed to "attractive" and significantly above average people on a daily basis. Before the internet, it was movies, magazines and rarely in person we would come across these people. Open up Instagram, Facebook, Tik Tok etc. and nowadays you'd think the majority of people are "good looking" and you're not. That's before you even consider the perverse use of filters on average people.

It's even worse when you realise that movie studios etc. have over recent years started using filters on their actors too. I noticed this on quite a few K Dramas and stuff i watched where women and also men were filtered to give an impression of more pale/white perfectly porcelain skin. An unfortunate Eastern beauty standard 99% really will never be able to match.

In truth, Hollywood has always used "above average" looking actors as leading ladies and men. That's always going to be the case but there's also exceptions where people look more "average" to be relatable to regular folks too.

And of course, that can lead to mental health problems in youngsters who feel they don’t match up to their peers. Sad world.

[Blu Lemmy]

Originally Posted by Poya

Colin Farrell was so miscast in that movie. I've only liked him in Martin McDonagh movies. Everything else? Not up to snuff. But speaking about the Penguin, that was tailor made for Josh Gad or Jonah Hill. Why not use them?

Yeah....nah

[RossyG]

There’s a terrific 4th wall-breaking joke in Barbie about casting someone as pretty as Margot Robbie.

[DanTheMan]

Pete Davidson existed before Licorice Pizza.

[NARMAK]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

And of course, that can lead to mental health problems in youngsters who feel they don’t match up to their peers. Sad world.

Unfortunately such things are in full swing already and not to get too political on it, but there's a reason why Tik Tok in China is educational whilst the Western version pushes algorithms designed for stupidity and engagement of a malicious and insidious nature.

Also, just to kind of generally explain things. The psychology of humans is geared towards something we already have quite a bit of scientific studies on.

Pretty Privilege.

It's why the majority of people who are attractive get noticed and pushed forwards in general for many things in life. The "Halo" effect as it were and those perhaps less blessed visually experiencing the opposite. However, i truly think "average" has become skewed.

Everybody is a "7/10" apparently when in reality science would tell us the bell curve for beauty should be in effect but nobody can usually stomach being a "5/10" or average, so to protect the ego etc. people add points on above the average.

If y9u actually look at movies or the entertainment industry as a whole. It's all smoke and mirrors these days. Talent isn't really a driving factor anymore as much as looks. People can take tens of or hundreds of takes. CGI to fix things and even use of auto tune and photoshop means everything can be manipulated to nothing more than a glitzy con. You couldn't do that in the past which is why talent won.

If you look at a lot of actors who are well established, you'll quickly realise a LOT of them also have famous links they tend to generally keep hidden so as to appear not to have benefitted from nepotism, but they by and large have used those connections to get casting auditions and so on usually.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by NARMAK

Unfortunately such things are in full swing already and not to get too political on it, but there's a reason why Tik Tok in China is educational whilst the Western version pushes algorithms designed for stupidity and engagement of a malicious and insidious nature.

Also, just to kind of generally explain things. The psychology of humans is geared towards something we already have quite a bit of scientific studies on.

Pretty Privilege.

It's why the majority of people who are attractive get noticed and pushed forwards in general for many things in life. The "Halo" effect as it were and those perhaps less blessed visually experiencing the opposite. However, i truly think "average" has become skewed.

Everybody is a "7/10" apparently when in reality science would tell us the bell curve for beauty should be in effect but nobody can usually stomach being a "5/10" or average, so to protect the ego etc. people add points on above the average.

If y9u actually look at movies or the entertainment industry as a whole. It's all smoke and mirrors these days. Talent isn't really a driving factor anymore as much as looks. People can take tens of or hundreds of takes. CGI to fix things and even use of auto tune and photoshop means everything can be manipulated to nothing more than a glitzy con. You couldn't do that in the past which is why talent won.

If you look at a lot of actors who are well established, you'll quickly realise a LOT of them also have famous links they tend to generally keep hidden so as to appear not to have benefitted from nepotism, but they by and large have used those connections to get casting auditions and so on usually.

Agree for the most part, although I would say there are many gifted actors out there, especially in the U.K.

But yeah, even in everyday life, attractive people get all the good vibes, no matter how much of a shit house they are. As an average looking guy, I made peace with it a few years back, but some never can and sadly, a small amount think that such disadvantages are worthy of taking their own lives.

This will only escalate as years pass.

[Blu Lemmy]

Being beautiful is a curse I have to bear

[NARMAK]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

Agree for the most part, although I would say there are many gifted actors out there, especially in the U.K.

But yeah, even in everyday life, attractive people get all the good vibes, no matter how much of a shit house they are. As an average looking guy, I made peace with it a few years back, but some never can and sadly, a small amount think that such disadvantages are worthy of taking their own lives.

This will only escalate as years pass.

Oh, there's many gifted actors for sure, just that the unfortunate truth is that it's such a small group of people that can get to the top compared to how many people want to be aspiring actors, models etc. and that's why we constantly hear about the exploitation stories.

Personally i think we need a wholesale change in how people generally are educated about appearances and putting significantly more warning labels on stuff such as how much filters, photoshop etc. is done to stuff because people don't seem to have a clue.

I feel like we should sometimes appreciate what we do have, hut anything we're not happy with, try to change in positive meaningful ways. Not like how some resort to drastic plastic surgery but the dirty truth is, and has been for a long time now. Almost alp the top actors/actresses get work done. Tom Cruise for example is the biggest example. He was also seen as a really good looking guy in the late 90s to early 2000s, but he had surgery along the way too. Funnily enough, Tom is probably one of those actors where i'd say height wasn't as much of a factor due to when he started acting and having good looks helped compensate for the lack of height. If there was a safe surgery, i'd almost bet he'd have gone for that procedure too.

Either way i see it, actors, models etc. is an extremely limited niche field when it comes to the A list. The rest are full of wannabes and dreamers. Hell, if i wanted to right now, i can go out there and randomly sign up with any so called "modelling" agency and call myself a "model" but that doesn't mean i'd probably get very far.

Originally Posted by Blu Lemmy

Being beautiful is a curse I have to bear

Ah, you damn lucky guy, you.

Oh well, i guess i'll just have to ride your handsome coat tails

[jess1581]

No. Shitty acting can.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by NARMAK

Oh, there's many gifted actors for sure, just that the unfortunate truth is that it's such a small group of people that can get to the top compared to how many people want to be aspiring actors, models etc. and that's why we constantly hear about the exploitation stories.

Personally i think we need a wholesale change in how people generally are educated about appearances and putting significantly more warning labels on stuff such as how much filters, photoshop etc. is done to stuff because people don't seem to have a clue.

I feel like we should sometimes appreciate what we do have, hut anything we're not happy with, try to change in positive meaningful ways. Not like how some resort to drastic plastic surgery but the dirty truth is, and has been for a long time now. Almost alp the top actors/actresses get work done. Tom Cruise for example is the biggest example. He was also seen as a really good looking guy in the late 90s to early 2000s, but he had surgery along the way too. Funnily enough, Tom is probably one of those actors where i'd say height wasn't as much of a factor due to when he started acting and having good looks helped compensate for the lack of height. If there was a safe surgery, i'd almost bet he'd have gone for that procedure too.

Either way i see it, actors, models etc. is an extremely limited niche field when it comes to the A list. The rest are full of wannabes and dreamers. Hell, if i wanted to right now, i can go out there and randomly sign up with any so called "modelling" agency and call myself a "model" but that doesn't mean i'd probably get very far.



Ah, you damn lucky guy, you.

Oh well, i guess i'll just have to ride your handsome coat tails

I think things are too far gone sadly. Looks are far more important than empathy and morals. We are seeing the results now.

[NARMAK]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

I think things are too far gone sadly. Looks are far more important than empathy and morals. We are seeing the results now.

Perhaps you're right. I feel like i sound like an old fart sometimes when i say the stuff i do. "Back in my days" but the truth is, everything seems to have gone to crap for my gen born in the 90s. Especially in the UK.

All i can say though is that's also probably what insulated us a lot more. We grew up and saw the massive changes in tech first hand and we knew what life was like before we had that crap as well as after including those who now grow up under it.

If i ever start a family some day, i'm going to ensure they don't use social media on a personal basis. Just like the same execs of Tik Tok, Facebook etc. don't let their kids.

[Mikezilla3k]

Originally Posted by Poya

Hollywood movies tend to cast attractive people in roles, even if they're not meant for them. I can remember Licorice Pizza being considered groundbreaking for doing the exact opposite.

There are plenty of people who think Alana Haim is sexy as hell out there.

Saying "attractive people" as a hinderance is kinda useless because there are so many people out there who thinks anything can be attractive in one way or another. From legit beautiful to downright ugly.

Originally Posted by Poya

Colin Farrell was so miscast in that movie. I've only liked him in Martin McDonagh movies. Everything else? Not up to snuff. But speaking about the Penguin, that was tailor made for Josh Gad or Jonah Hill. Why not use them?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d2XL3ACtKwY

[mwynn]

Anything can be a hindrance, all depends on the person calling the shots.

[Poya]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

Agree for the most part, although I would say there are many gifted actors out there, especially in the U.K.

But yeah, even in everyday life, attractive people get all the good vibes, no matter how much of a shit house they are. As an average looking guy, I made peace with it a few years back, but some never can and sadly, a small amount think that such disadvantages are worthy of taking their own lives.

This will only escalate as years pass.

Speaking of UK actors, who in their right mind thought Jodie Comer could pass off as a video game designer in Free Guy? That's what I mean when I say they get cast in roles that aren't meant for them. I've seen female game designers. It's frankly insulting.

[NARMAK]

Originally Posted by Poya

Speaking of UK actors, who in their right mind thought Jodie Comer could pass off as a video game designer in Free Guy? That's what I mean when I say they get cast in roles that aren't meant for them. I've seen female game designers. It's frankly insulting.

Is her casting in a movie as a female game designer insulting or your assumption female game designers can't look like Jodie Comer?

Personally i think in general, the privilege of being Pretty/Handsome has significantly more advantages and why it doesn't hold the majority of people in life but gives you an edge due to the "Halo" effect. Considering the majority of the world is average and few are truly at the top, i'm pretty sure the majority of people have seen examples in their own lives of pretty/handsome privilege.

Actors can just use make up and prosthetics to "ugly" up for a role as needed.