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kaliraver · 10-02-2007, 04:16 PM

I got this info from wikipedia but it doesn't mention anything about it going online for verification.

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BD+ is effectively a small virtual machine embedded in authorized players. It allows content providers to include executable programs on Blu-ray Discs. Such programs can:[16]

* examine the host environment, to see if the player has been tampered with. Every licensed playback device manufacturer must provide the BD+ licensing authority with memory footprints that identify their devices.
* verify that the player's keys have not been changed.
* execute native code, possibly to patch an otherwise insecure system.
* transform the audio and video output. Parts of the content will not be viewable without letting the BD+-program unscramble it.

If a playback device manufacturer finds that its devices have been hacked, it can potentially release BD+-code that detects and circumvents the vulnerability. These programs can then be included in all new content releases.

lokus · 10-02-2007, 04:39 PM

For any of you that feel like doing some additional reading I found this:
http://www.dell.com/downloads/global/vectors/brcp.pdf

w_tanoto · 10-02-2007, 04:41 PM

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Originally Posted by lokus

For any of you that feel like doing some additional reading I found this:
http://www.dell.com/downloads/global/vectors/brcp.pdf

thanks for the link. very helpful of you. really got to know this before buying simpsons

ClaytonMG · 10-02-2007, 04:49 PM

I just timed it and it takes about 15 seconds to load. So about the same as any other Java title.

Lord_Stewie · 10-02-2007, 05:05 PM

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Originally Posted by ClaytonMG

I just timed it and it takes about 15 seconds to load. So about the same as any other Java title.

not bad. I am wondering does the PS3 have virtual memory, where if you put in lets day after tomorrow the first time it would take longer to load, but anytime you put in the disc afterwards, it wouldn't take as much time as the first.

Lord_Stewie · 10-02-2007, 05:06 PM

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Originally Posted by kaliraver69

I got this info from wikipedia but it doesn't mention anything about it going online for verification.

Quote:

Originally Posted by lokus

For any of you that feel like doing some additional reading I found this:
http://www.dell.com/downloads/global/vectors/brcp.pdf

thanks for providing the info. they answered a lot of questions.

TigerShark · 10-02-2007, 05:15 PM

I hope Sony releases an update for the PS3; the CELL should be able to handle the BD+ without being slowed down.

jccca · 10-02-2007, 05:15 PM

Having to go online mandatorily goes against everything that has been always done! Specially considering that some players don't even HAVE a way of connecting to the internet

Lord_Stewie · 10-02-2007, 05:42 PM

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Originally Posted by TigerShark

I hope Sony releases an update for the PS3; the CELL should be able to handle the BD+ without being slowed down.

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Originally Posted by jccca

Having to go online mandatorily goes against everything that has been always done! Specially considering that some players don't even HAVE a way of connecting to the internet

i sent an email to sony, to see if they are working on a solution for that. i will let you guys know if they reply.

and yes that was my fault, i always thought that BD+ requires internet connection in order to play. but then again, here i am learning a new fact from you guys.

thanks.

dialog_gvf · 10-02-2007, 05:45 PM

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Originally Posted by shadblz

okay guys here is what i found out about BD+. apparently it doesn't need to go online to check according to this link which explains the basic of BD+.

Since BD players don't require Ethernet ports or other such ways of getting online, and they must be able to support BD+, clearly BD+ can't need an online check.

BD+ could require a firmware upgrade before allowing a title to play. In which case perhaps for those players that are online, it could point at the right place.

Gary

Lord_Stewie · 10-02-2007, 06:03 PM

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Originally Posted by dialog_gvf

Since BD players don't require Ethernet ports or other such ways of getting online, and they must be able to support BD+, clearly BD+ can't need an online check.

BD+ could require a firmware upgrade before allowing a title to play. In which case perhaps for those players that are online, it could point at the right place.

Gary

BD+ is the issue that is slowing down the loading time.

NewtoBluTX · 10-02-2007, 06:45 PM

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Originally Posted by badboi

I don't know a lot about BD+ and all the requirements, but are you sure about having to be online (or is this just for PS3 owners)? I have the disc playing in my BDP1000 right now and so far so good, and it's not connected to the internet.

I just tried it in my BDP1000 and it just comes up to a circle going around and around and doesn't do anything else. Did yours do this also and then more on?
I was thinking about the disk was bad or my player doesn't support it.
Any ideas?

Lord_Stewie · 10-02-2007, 07:13 PM

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Originally Posted by NewtoBluTX

I just tried it in my BDP1000 and it just comes up to a circle going around and around and doesn't do anything else. Did yours do this also and then more on?
I was thinking about the disk was bad or my player doesn't support it.
Any ideas?

Contact the support for your player. meanwhile before you do that, exchange the disc and see if you are experiancing the same problem.

ClaytonMG · 10-02-2007, 07:45 PM

Even the first time I put it in, it only took 15 seconds. Even with Fantastic Four (I made sure to pay attention) it loaded in the same ammount of time. So it's not an internal memory thing. I think it's just Java, I don't think it has anything to do with BD+. Is your PS3 updated to the latest firmware?

ClaytonMG · 10-02-2007, 07:54 PM

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Originally Posted by NewtoBluTX

I just tried it in my BDP1000 and it just comes up to a circle going around and around and doesn't do anything else. Did yours do this also and then more on?
I was thinking about the disk was bad or my player doesn't support it.
Any ideas?

Don't exchange the disc yet, that's probably not the problem... There is probably a firmware upgrade coming for the player (or there already is one).

Lord_Stewie · 10-02-2007, 09:20 PM

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Originally Posted by ClaytonMG

Even the first time I put it in, it only took 15 seconds. Even with Fantastic Four (I made sure to pay attention) it loaded in the same ammount of time. So it's not an internal memory thing. I think it's just Java, I don't think it has anything to do with BD+. Is your PS3 updated to the latest firmware?

yes it is. my other BD films don't take that long to load. however, the FF 2 and day after tomorrow do.

w_tanoto · 10-02-2007, 09:21 PM

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Originally Posted by shadblz

yes it is. my other BD films don't take that long to load. however, the FF 2 and day after tomorrow do.

pirates 1 and 2 (i believe they features BD-J) do not take long to load

ClaytonMG · 10-02-2007, 09:23 PM

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Originally Posted by shadblz

yes it is. my other BD films don't take that long to load. however, the FF 2 and day after tomorrow do.

But then why would it load in less than 15 seconds for me and take over 2 minutes for you? We're both using the same PS3's.

w_tanoto · 10-02-2007, 09:24 PM

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Originally Posted by ClaytonMG

But then why would it load in less than 15 seconds for me and take over 2 minutes for you? We're both using the same PS3's.

do you use your ps3 often? it might be weak lens.

ClaytonMG · 10-02-2007, 09:32 PM

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Originally Posted by w_tanoto

do you use your ps3 often? it might be weak lens.

Mine loads faster, because I might have a weak lens?

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10-02-2007, 04:39 PM	#22
lokus Senior Member Member since:Jul 2007 Location:Marlton, NJ Blu-ray collection:72	For any of you that feel like doing some additional reading I found this: http://www.dell.com/downloads/global/vectors/brcp.pdf

10-02-2007, 04:49 PM	#24
ClaytonMG Blu-ray Samurai Member since:May 2006 Location:New Brighton, MN Home Theater Gallery:16 4K collection:842 Blu-ray collection:2381 Blu-ray reviews:2 Trading Score:1	I just timed it and it takes about 15 seconds to load. So about the same as any other Java title.

10-02-2007, 05:15 PM	#27
TigerShark Active Member Member since:Sep 2007 Location:Rockford + Chicago, Illinois Blu-ray reviews:1	I hope Sony releases an update for the PS3; the CELL should be able to handle the BD+ without being slowed down.

10-02-2007, 05:15 PM	#28
jccca Member Member since:Sep 2007	Having to go online mandatorily goes against everything that has been always done! Specially considering that some players don't even HAVE a way of connecting to the internet

10-02-2007, 07:45 PM	#34
ClaytonMG Blu-ray Samurai Member since:May 2006 Location:New Brighton, MN Home Theater Gallery:16 4K collection:842 Blu-ray collection:2381 Blu-ray reviews:2 Trading Score:1	Even the first time I put it in, it only took 15 seconds. Even with Fantastic Four (I made sure to pay attention) it loaded in the same ammount of time. So it's not an internal memory thing. I think it's just Java, I don't think it has anything to do with BD+. Is your PS3 updated to the latest firmware?

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