Japanese Translator for CEATEC info?

[phloyd]

I am pretty sure that we have some Japanese natives here.

Can someone help translate this presentation:

DVD Forum Presentation

Apparently there is some interesting information about Region Coding and Triple Layer discs presented and it would be useful to know what it is without translation errors.

[WickyWoo]

babelfish.altavista.com

A lot faster than me slowly ploughing through it, and captures the jist well enough

There isn't any really new information in there, I checked the sections you're referring to and they jive with what I can read of it.

[w_tanoto]

is it just me or somebody else notice?? NO SINGLE WORD OF BLU-RAY or "bururei" in katakana???
Are they afraid of BD?

[phloyd]

It looks like it is saying that the TL51 spec 2.0 should be ready within a year...

Wow, that is a lot further off then even 'we' thought... if the spec isn't even going to be complete for a year...

[w_tanoto]

Originally Posted by phloyd

It looks like it is saying that the TL51 spec 2.0 should be ready within a year...

Wow, that is a lot further off then even 'we' thought... if the spec isn't even going to be complete for a year...

i know they are talking about tl51, but where is their usual habit, comparing it with BD?
hope that 2.0 specs won't be compatible to existing drive

[phloyd]

Wicky - can you explain what they are saying about region code near the top? That is just meaningless in the translation on babelfish

[phloyd]

The excite translation is better.

It pretty much confirms without doubt that the TL discs will not be compatible with current players. Woe darn.

The Region Code stuff is still kinda mysterious - I guess they are saying that it is in there already, just not used?

[Frode]

Excite better than babelfish:

http://www.excite.co.jp/world/english/web/

Paste in the address, click the right radio button in order to select english and then click submit. If there's any particular sections/paragraphs you want a proper translation of, let me know.

[tvted]

Originally Posted by phloyd

Apparently there is some interesting information about Region Coding and Triple Layer discs presented and it would be useful to know what it is without translation errors.

The AVS discussion on this one certainly presents some interesting impressions. http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=918107

If correct, HD-DVD reveals itself as a wannabe format, pursuing what BD already has - region coding, capacity. You have to wonder why not support the format that already has these specs and is actively improving the quality of the tech? Why is it that it is only acceptable when applied to HD-DVD but unacceptable or unnecessary on its competitor? So are HD users now going to stop ridiculing BD's profiles?

These of course are rhetorical questions as I'm sure most here have similar answers, so no need to discuss it in this thread.

I too look forward to an accurate translation - though WickyWoo is likely right - no subtlety here. It will prove to be yet another confirmation of BD's strengths and the hypocrisy in the forthcoming response of many of the HD DVD formats most ardent supporters.

ted

[w_tanoto]

Originally Posted by tvted

The AVS discussion on this one certainly presents some interesting impressions. http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=918107

If correct, HD-DVD reveals itself as a wannabe format, pursuing what BD already has - region coding, capacity. You have to wonder why not support the format that already has these specs and is actively improving the quality of the tech? Why is it that it is only acceptable when applied to HD-DVD but unacceptable or unnecessary on its competitor? So are HD users now going to stop ridiculing BD's profiles?

These of course are rhetorical questions as I'm sure most here have similar answers, so no need to discuss it in this thread.

I too look forward to an accurate translation - though WickyWoo is likely right - no subtlety here. It will prove to be yet another confirmation of BD's strengths and the hypocrisy in the forthcoming response of many of the HD DVD formats most ardent supporters.

ted

some funny posts there, like don't trust google translator or web translator (well, it depends on people using it too, they should have sense which word is translated wrong).
another one: HD DVD Defense Force Gather!! I dont see this going well...

i never knew if such inferior format has a defence force. what are they defensing?

[badboi]

I like the way the initial title was changed on that thread because some of the HD fanboys started whining about it. I guess the truth hurts, so they decided to change it to something less hurtful.

The biggest point I saw, other than the possibility of region coding, was that the latest triple layer disc might not be compatible with current players. I thought HD was a finalised product, and BD was still trying to figure out which end was up.

[w_tanoto]

Guys, anybody knows better translator thank google that can provide link to the translated article?. I'm under pressure in wiki.

[Frode]

Pressure how?

[Frode]

I could offer my services as a professional translator - think they'd pay?

[gand41f]

Originally Posted by tvted

The AVS discussion on this one certainly presents some interesting impressions. http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=918107

If correct, HD-DVD reveals itself as a wannabe format, pursuing what BD already has - region coding, capacity. You have to wonder why not support the format that already has these specs and is actively improving the quality of the tech? Why is it that it is only acceptable when applied to HD-DVD but unacceptable or unnecessary on its competitor? So are HD users now going to stop ridiculing BD's profiles?

These of course are rhetorical questions as I'm sure most here have similar answers, so no need to discuss it in this thread.

I too look forward to an accurate translation - though WickyWoo is likely right - no subtlety here. It will prove to be yet another confirmation of BD's strengths and the hypocrisy in the forthcoming response of many of the HD DVD formats most ardent supporters.

ted

Sorry, don't have time to go through the entire article, but if you are interested in this part about TL51:

"層数増加に対応するために、ドライブ側で球面収差補正が必要となるという。"

is in question, then the Google translation:

"because it corresponds to number of layers increase, spherical aberration revision becomes necessary on drive side."

is pretty much correct. (Maybe replace "revision" with "correction" and it will be better.) It doesn't explicitly mention whether it can be played back with current drives (as opposed to Twin-format SL DVD+DL HD DVD, which it says it won't be playable in current drives).

enjoy
gandalf

[w_tanoto]

Originally Posted by gand41f

Sorry, don't have time to go through the entire article, but if you are interested in this part about TL51:

"層数増加に対応するために、ドライブ側で球面収差補正が必要となるという。"

is in question, then the Google translation:

"because it corresponds to number of layers increase, spherical aberration revision becomes necessary on drive side."

is pretty much correct. (Maybe replace "revision" with "correction" and it will be better.) It doesn't explicitly mention whether it can be played back with current drives (as opposed to Twin-format SL DVD+DL HD DVD, which it says it won't be playable in current drives).

enjoy
gandalf

finally, a translation from a true japanese. thanks.

It doesn't explicitly mention whether it can be played back with current drives (as opposed to Twin-format SL DVD+DL HD DVD, which it says it won't be playable in current drives)

so there is still posibilities that triple layer can be used in current player. sory, don't get what you mean with SL DVD+DL HD DVD

[phloyd]

I think that the point is for the 'twin':

DVD DL + HD DVD SL (3 layers)

or

DVD SL + HD DVD DL (3 layers)

there is going to be some special mark (BCA?) that will have to be on the third layer and current players cannot read this mark or something like that.

[w_tanoto]

Originally Posted by phloyd

I think that the point is for the 'twin':

DVD DL + HD DVD SL (3 layers)

or

DVD SL + HD DVD DL (3 layers)

there is going to be some special mark (BCA?) that will have to be on the third layer and current players cannot read this mark or something like that.

I see. thanks for clarification.

[Frode]

You missed the first part of the line. The full translation for it is this: "Even though the playback margins is approximately the same as current HD DVDs (referring to new track pitch), in order to support the increase in layers it's become necessary for the drive to perform spherical aberration correction"

In addition there's the slide added to explain it:

http://www.watch.impress.co.jp/av/do...04/dvd1_15.jpg

"The thickness of the recording layers was increased in order to support triple layer. The increase in thickness means that in order to guarantee playback quality the spherical aberration correction function was introduced. So it would be easy to make devices, the correction values for testing are fixed for each layer"

The rest of the text is just showing the extent of change in layer thickness.

[phloyd]

So this implies that TL51 will also not be able to be read by todays players?

Or can this spherical aberration correction function be added to the firmware of the drive?

I bet it means the A1 is not going to work since the drive is an NEC reader that is self contained (what ever happened to NEC, did they give up on HD DVD?).