HD DVD to Blu-ray -> Legal? - Blu-ray Forum

WickyWoo · 12-03-2007, 03:39 PM

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I'm pretty sure ripping it would be illegal due to DMCA.

That being said, "fair use" advocates would argue that since it is for your personal use you can do whatever you want.

DMCA trumps fair use. Illegal

Whether or not that is a good thing is certainly the subject of much and proper debate

bilbravo · 12-03-2007, 03:44 PM

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Originally Posted by WickyWoo

DMCA trumps fair use. Illegal

I guess that was the point I was getting at, but didn't finish my thought :-)

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Originally Posted by WickyWoo

Whether or not that is a good thing is certainly the subject of much and proper debate

Too true...

Manco · 12-03-2007, 03:57 PM

Ok... who ripped one?

richteer · 12-03-2007, 04:29 PM

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Originally Posted by WickyWoo

DMCA trumps fair use. Illegal

... Only if you're an American... :-)

ikbradley · 12-03-2007, 04:34 PM

If you bought the original HD DVD, then a very good argument for fair use could apply.

Besides, how many prosecutors would go after anyone that did the equivalent of taking a record and putting it onto tape. DMCA might be right, but the decision to prosecute is in the hands of overburdened District Attorneys that have no love for this b.s.

This, coupled with the anti-trust allegations, which have forced people to adopt HD DVD if they want some movies, I doubt any HD DVD lobbyist would pursue any legal recourse.

They need hipweighters for all the shit they are in, especially the dumping of goods below cost and exclusivity bribes to undermine the competition. Sounds like a cartel conspiracy if you ask me.

amason · 12-03-2007, 04:49 PM

As long as you own the HD-DVD copy, you can do whatever you want. If you rent it and rip it, then that is illegal. It is the same with DVDs, Blu-rays, or any other type of media, if you own the original copy that you are ripping, then you can use the copy for personal use only.

WickyWoo · 12-03-2007, 05:01 PM

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As long as you own the HD-DVD copy, you can do whatever you want. If you rent it and rip it, then that is illegal. It is the same with DVDs, Blu-rays, or any other type of media, if you own the original copy that you are ripping, then you can use the copy for personal use only.

No, you cannot. You cannot copy anything if the process requires you to break any kind of digital copy protection.

This applies to DVD, HD and BR

X400 · 12-03-2007, 05:05 PM

if your canadian it isnt illegal yet, but the Bush party (conservatives) are planning on changing that

WarCraft · 12-03-2007, 05:28 PM

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Originally Posted by X400

if your canadian it isnt illegal yet, but the Bush party (conservatives) are planning on changing that

Enlighten me but last time I checked Canada is still a country

Brandon B · 12-03-2007, 07:44 PM

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Originally Posted by WickyWoo

No, you cannot. You cannot copy anything if the process requires you to break any kind of digital copy protection.

This applies to DVD, HD and BR

As others keep pointing out, this is true in the USA. If you own and keep the HD DVD, it is perfectly legal to do this many other places in the world.

tron3 · 12-03-2007, 07:57 PM

Geeze, consider the cost. HD DVD player for the pc. (Does it exist?), blu-ray burner, the movie, and a blank disc. Hundreds of bucks for a $25 movie?

sarnell2 · 12-03-2007, 08:50 PM

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Originally Posted by tron3

Geeze, consider the cost. HD DVD player for the pc. (Does it exist?), blu-ray burner, the movie, and a blank disc. Hundreds of bucks for a $25 movie?

It's pretty funny to see the assumptions everyone makes. I was simply curious if doing something like that was legal. If it was legal, it would not financially make sense for a couple years. I don't own a HD DVD drive. I do not own a Blu-ray Writer. I was curious, just in case a movie like Transformers never comes out on Blu-ray, and I refuse to buy an HD DUD Player EVER.

sj001 · 12-03-2007, 08:58 PM

No, it is not legal at all, can't see why it would be.

I think this thread should be closed.

phloyd · 12-03-2007, 09:08 PM

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Originally Posted by sarnell2

It's pretty funny to see the assumptions everyone makes. I was simply curious if doing something like that was legal.

Indeed.

As I understand it WW has it right - if you break a copy protection scheme you are breaking the law (the law being the DCMA). So unless you can get the data without breaking AACS, you are in the dog box.

jorg · 12-03-2007, 09:20 PM

could it not be under personal back up thing? kinda like backing up a dule layer+r to singel layer -r

Storm · 12-03-2007, 04:44 PM

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Originally Posted by WickyWoo

DMCA trumps fair use. Illegal

Whether or not that is a good thing is certainly the subject of much and proper debate

Agreed.
You can not legally rip any movie for any reason.

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12-03-2007, 03:57 PM	#3
Manco Special Member Member since:Jun 2007 Location:Tucumcari	Ok... who ripped one?

12-03-2007, 04:34 PM	#5
ikbradley Senior Member Member since:Aug 2007	If you bought the original HD DVD, then a very good argument for fair use could apply. Besides, how many prosecutors would go after anyone that did the equivalent of taking a record and putting it onto tape. DMCA might be right, but the decision to prosecute is in the hands of overburdened District Attorneys that have no love for this b.s. This, coupled with the anti-trust allegations, which have forced people to adopt HD DVD if they want some movies, I doubt any HD DVD lobbyist would pursue any legal recourse. They need hipweighters for all the shit they are in, especially the dumping of goods below cost and exclusivity bribes to undermine the competition. Sounds like a cartel conspiracy if you ask me.

12-03-2007, 04:49 PM	#6
amason Active Member Member since:Jan 2007 Location:MA 4K collection:40 Blu-ray collection:511 DVD collection:86 Blu-ray reviews:43	As long as you own the HD-DVD copy, you can do whatever you want. If you rent it and rip it, then that is illegal. It is the same with DVDs, Blu-rays, or any other type of media, if you own the original copy that you are ripping, then you can use the copy for personal use only.

12-03-2007, 05:05 PM	#8
X400 Blu-ray Samurai Member since:Jul 2007 Location:Kent Blu-ray collection:328 Blu-ray reviews:41 Trading Score:23	if your canadian it isnt illegal yet, but the Bush party (conservatives) are planning on changing that

12-03-2007, 07:57 PM	#11
tron3 Blu-ray Samurai Member since:Aug 2004 Location:New Jersey Blu-ray reviews:3	Geeze, consider the cost. HD DVD player for the pc. (Does it exist?), blu-ray burner, the movie, and a blank disc. Hundreds of bucks for a $25 movie?

12-03-2007, 08:58 PM	#13
sj001 Blu-ray Samurai Member since:Aug 2007 Location:Rochester, NY Blu-ray collection:317 DVD collection:17 Trading Score:5	No, it is not legal at all, can't see why it would be. I think this thread should be closed.

12-03-2007, 09:20 PM	#15
jorg Power Member Member since:Dec 2006 Location:Ontario, Canada Home Theater Gallery:2	could it not be under personal back up thing? kinda like backing up a dule layer+r to singel layer -r

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