HD DVD to Blu-ray -> Legal?

[WickyWoo]

Please remember that any mention of techniques to copy discs, locations of them or of illegal downloads will result in infractions, suspensions or bannings as circumstances warrant. Thank you

[Maximus]

Simple answer: No.

It is against forum rules to discuss methods of breaking copy protection and pirate activities.

I am all for fair use, but wholesale pirating is not on.

[Storm]

Originally Posted by WickyWoo

DMCA trumps fair use. Illegal

Whether or not that is a good thing is certainly the subject of much and proper debate

Agreed.
You can not legally rip any movie for any reason.

[amason]

As long as you own the HD-DVD copy, you can do whatever you want. If you rent it and rip it, then that is illegal. It is the same with DVDs, Blu-rays, or any other type of media, if you own the original copy that you are ripping, then you can use the copy for personal use only.

[WickyWoo]

As long as you own the HD-DVD copy, you can do whatever you want. If you rent it and rip it, then that is illegal. It is the same with DVDs, Blu-rays, or any other type of media, if you own the original copy that you are ripping, then you can use the copy for personal use only.

No, you cannot. You cannot copy anything if the process requires you to break any kind of digital copy protection.

This applies to DVD, HD and BR

[X400]

if your canadian it isnt illegal yet, but the Bush party (conservatives) are planning on changing that

[WarCraft]

Originally Posted by X400

if your canadian it isnt illegal yet, but the Bush party (conservatives) are planning on changing that

Enlighten me but last time I checked Canada is still a country

[Kirsty_Mc]

What's the point. As stated before you'd just have a HD-DVD quality Blu-Ray. You might as well buy a.................................

Crumbs !!!

[X400]

Originally Posted by WarCraft

Enlighten me but last time I checked Canada is still a country

http://www.boingboing.net/2007/11/27...ming-dmca.html

The Canadian government is about to bring down Canada's version of the US Digital Millennium Copyright Act, and it promises to be the worst copyright law in the developed world. It will contain an "anti-circumvention" clause that prohibits breaking the locks off your music and movies in order to move them to new devices or watch them after the company that made them goes out of business -- and it will follow the US's disastrous lead with the DMCA in that there will be no exceptions to the ban on circumvention, not even for parody, fair dealing, time shifting, or other legal uses.

This will be even worse than the last Canadian copyright proposal, the defeated Bill C-60.

But there's hope. The last two Ministers who tried to push through a US-style copyright bill in Canada lost their jobs, thanks in large part to Canada's coalition of artists, educators, archivists, and public-interest activists. Selling Canada's digital future out to a handful of US companies is a bad career move for Canadian politicians.

Gear up for a fight in the New Year. The American record labels, in particular, are said to be well organised and ready to push this through on a fast track (even though they've abandoned DRM in the rest of the world, they view Canada as a weak sister they can push around).

If this law passes, it will mean that as soon as a device has any anti-copying stuff in it (say, a Vista PC, a set-top cable box, a console, an iPod, a Kindle, etc), it will be illegal for Canadians to modify it, improve it, or make products that interact with it unless they have permission from the (almost always US-based) manufacturer. This puts the whole Canadian tech industry at the mercy of the US industry, unable to innovate or start new businesses that interact with the existing pool of devices and media without getting a license from the States.

If this law passes, it will render all of the made-in-Canada exceptions to copyright for education, archiving, free speech and personal use will be irrelevant: if a technology has a lock that prohibits a use, your right to make that use falls by the wayside. Nevermind that you've got the right to record a show to watch later -- or to record a politician's speech so you can hold him to account later -- the policeman in the device can take that right away with no appeal.

If this law passes, it will make Canada into a backwards nation, lagging behind the UK, Israel and other countries that are passing new copyright laws that dismantle the idea of maximum copyright forever and in all things. Link

[Brandon B]

Originally Posted by WickyWoo

No, you cannot. You cannot copy anything if the process requires you to break any kind of digital copy protection.

This applies to DVD, HD and BR

As others keep pointing out, this is true in the USA. If you own and keep the HD DVD, it is perfectly legal to do this many other places in the world.

[tron3]

Geeze, consider the cost. HD DVD player for the pc. (Does it exist?), blu-ray burner, the movie, and a blank disc. Hundreds of bucks for a $25 movie?

[sarnell2]

Originally Posted by tron3

Geeze, consider the cost. HD DVD player for the pc. (Does it exist?), blu-ray burner, the movie, and a blank disc. Hundreds of bucks for a $25 movie?

It's pretty funny to see the assumptions everyone makes. I was simply curious if doing something like that was legal. If it was legal, it would not financially make sense for a couple years. I don't own a HD DVD drive. I do not own a Blu-ray Writer. I was curious, just in case a movie like Transformers never comes out on Blu-ray, and I refuse to buy an HD DUD Player EVER.

[sj001]

No, it is not legal at all, can't see why it would be.

I think this thread should be closed.

[WarCraft]

Originally Posted by X400

http://www.boingboing.net/2007/11/27...ming-dmca.html

Thanks for the link X400 -- but that is the "Canadian's Government's" doing. You know, its the Canadian's passing the law -- not Bush's and his cohorts (though they may have some hand on it)

[phloyd]

Originally Posted by sarnell2

It's pretty funny to see the assumptions everyone makes. I was simply curious if doing something like that was legal.

Indeed.

As I understand it WW has it right - if you break a copy protection scheme you are breaking the law (the law being the DCMA). So unless you can get the data without breaking AACS, you are in the dog box.

[reiella]

Originally Posted by sarnell2

Once you own the film though...Can't you do what you want with it, as long as you don't sell or share with others. I couldn't even do this as an experiment?

If you don't sell or share it, it's a matter of breaching privacy to get caught for the most part [ or being really stupid and intentionally trying to get caught ]. And since it's a civil matter, the companies aren't really losing money over it, so why spend money to pursue legal action. It's "illegal" but at the same time, it's not something the responisble parties are currently interested in pursuing.

Originally Posted by Kristin Simard

That's for the retailer, not the owner.

Not just the retailer, but in general, it's to avoid folks not paying customs on them, primarily retailers as you said though.

[jorg]

could it not be under personal back up thing? kinda like backing up a dule layer+r to singel layer -r

[X400]

Originally Posted by WarCraft

Thanks for the link X400 -- but that is the "Canadian's Government's" doing. You know, its the Canadian's passing the law -- not Bush's and his cohorts (though they may have some hand on it)

lol when i said "bush party" i meant the canadian conservative party, Harper (our prime min) is waaaaaaaaaaayyyy up bushs ass

[Bullseye]

I was sure i read somewhere that you are entitled to make a copy for your own personal use as a back up.