Artifacting in Troy: DC - It's clear this HD DVD level bitrate crap isn't working - Blu-ray Forum

AlexanderG · 09-20-2007, 07:34 PM

Is it any coincidence that the artifacts appear when the bitrate is lowered to a pathetic 7.9 mbps?!??!?!? Of course not... It's a DIRECT RESULT of the bitrate being lowered to 7.9 mbps.

There's other scenes like this as well... Encoding to the lowest common denominator just really isn't cutting it any more... Especially for a 3 hour 16 minute epic. Ridiculous.

aygie · 09-20-2007, 07:40 PM

sorry, was this Blu or HD-DVD? Does this exist on both versions?

ClaytonMG · 09-20-2007, 07:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Aygie

sorry, was this Blu or HD-DVD? Does this exist on both versions?

Looks like it's on his PS3... And it wouldn't matter because WB uses the same transfer for both.

WriteSimply · 09-20-2007, 07:45 PM

Snail mail to Warner with a picture of the artifacting. Tell them that while it's good that they are supporting both formats, they need to maximize the encoding of the main feature to each format's strength.

fuad

DJeffries · 09-20-2007, 07:55 PM

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Originally Posted by WriteSimply

Snail mail to Warner with a picture of the artifacting. Tell them that while it's good that they are supporting both formats, they need to maximize the encoding of the main feature to each format's strength.

fuad

Please remember to be polite if you follow this advice.

aygie · 09-20-2007, 08:02 PM

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Originally Posted by ClaytonMG

Looks like it's on his PS3... And it wouldn't matter because WB uses the same transfer for both.

Thats what i was thinking.

AlexanderG · 09-20-2007, 07:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Aygie

sorry, was this Blu or HD-DVD? Does this exist on both versions?

It's Blu, but they use the same exact encode for both, so yes, it will exist on both versions.

ClaytonMG · 09-20-2007, 07:51 PM

https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread.php?t=17334

Here's that thread I was talking about. I haven't totally watched the whole movie (doing so tomorrow night with some friends) so when I tested it, it was in the day time. But I still didn't say it was perfect like some other people did.

Xerious · 09-20-2007, 07:53 PM

wow... too much time on your hands here man... is it really that noticable??

AlexanderG · 09-20-2007, 07:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Xerious

wow... too much time on your hands here man... is it really that noticable??

Yeah, actually it is, otherwise I wouldn't have posted anything about it. Why are you being satisfied with a flawed release that could have been preventable by not encoding to the lowest common denominator's spec?

AlexanderG · 09-20-2007, 07:54 PM

Overall the PQ is indeed superb, but still, the fact that artifacts exist, when they could easily be prevented by encoding to BD's strengths, makes me disappointed in the release.

joeorc · 09-20-2007, 11:49 PM

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Originally Posted by AlexanderG

Overall the PQ is indeed superb, but still, the fact that artifacts exist, when they could easily be prevented by encoding to BD's strengths, makes me disappointed in the release.

when theres artifacts that exist call this guy

he finds them that's what he does ....

aygie · 09-20-2007, 08:05 PM

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Originally Posted by AlexanderG

It's Blu, but they use the same exact encode for both, so yes, it will exist on both versions.

Sorry didn't see your post, Plasma or LCD? I'd be really interested if that was on an LCD. (i have both and my Plasma gets riddled with it.) If you get a chance it might be worth checking out.

ClaytonMG · 09-20-2007, 07:41 PM

That's weird... people started saying that this is the best picture ever just yesterday... There's even a thread about it.

dillycheeze · 09-20-2007, 08:07 PM

i need to pick this up

ClaytonMG · 09-20-2007, 08:15 PM

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Originally Posted by dillycheeze

yeah i was going to say.....i saw those threads yesterday and shook my head....i havent seen the movie yet but there is NO WAY that a 3hr 15m movie using VC-1 on an encode thats probably 25GB (optimized for an hd-dvd disc) could earn the praise that POTC gets and deserves....do people know what they are watching?

Technically a 50gb disc... with 30gb taken up...

EDIT: Actually, I take that back. This does have PCM track on it so it might be a little more than 30gb.

becomingwater · 09-21-2007, 02:06 PM

I am guessing that is the TV.

Intamin · 09-21-2007, 02:36 PM

While I didn't see any blue cubes appear on my screen, there were times when I did see the picture blur and turn into tiny cubes on the sides of peoples faces. Most noticeably when Helen and Paris are talking in one scene (I think it was after the love scene). While it wasn't a huge deal, it was frustrating knowing that it could be better. I got a Blu Ray player for the best picture possible, not so it could be dumbed down to hd-dud standards.

The Big Blue · 09-21-2007, 02:39 PM

How about this...

Sony takes a ~3 hr movie of theirs and allows it to be put on HD DVD, claim they are testing the waters. If HD DVD takes the bait the limits of HD DVD will be there for all to see, the BD version will sell better and Sony says that the smaller HD DVD sales aren't worth it. If they don't take the offer then they're yeller.

Gamma_Winstead · 09-20-2007, 08:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AlexanderG

Is it any coincidence that the artifacts appear when the bitrate is lowered to a pathetic 7.9 mbps?!??!?!? Of course not... It's a DIRECT RESULT of the bitrate being lowered to 7.9 mbps.

There's other scenes like this as well... Encoding to the lowest common denominator just really isn't cutting it any more... Especially for a 3 hour 16 minute epic. Ridiculous.

OH NO!!! A BLUE SPECK!! WHATEVER SHALL WE DO!!!! yet people still don't notice that the majority of movies have this! even Pirates! OK maybe not Pirates.

09-20-2007, 07:34 PM	#1
AlexanderG Member Member since:Sep 2007 Blu-ray collection:52	Artifacting in Troy: DC - It's clear this HD DVD level bitrate crap isn't working Is it any coincidence that the artifacts appear when the bitrate is lowered to a pathetic 7.9 mbps?!??!?!? Of course not... It's a DIRECT RESULT of the bitrate being lowered to 7.9 mbps. There's other scenes like this as well... Encoding to the lowest common denominator just really isn't cutting it any more... Especially for a 3 hour 16 minute epic. Ridiculous.

09-20-2007, 08:07 PM	#15
dillycheeze Active Member Member since:May 2007 Blu-ray reviews:1	i need to pick this up Last edited by dillycheeze; 09-21-2007 at 05:05 PM.

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09-20-2007, 07:40 PM	#2
aygie Blu-ray Ninja Member since:Jul 2007 Location:PSN Network: Aygie Blu-ray collection:99	sorry, was this Blu or HD-DVD? Does this exist on both versions?

09-20-2007, 07:45 PM	#4
WriteSimply Blu-ray Ninja Member since:Sep 2006 Location:Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia	Snail mail to Warner with a picture of the artifacting. Tell them that while it's good that they are supporting both formats, they need to maximize the encoding of the main feature to each format's strength. fuad

09-20-2007, 07:51 PM	#8
ClaytonMG Blu-ray Samurai Member since:May 2006 Location:New Brighton, MN Home Theater Gallery:16 4K collection:836 Blu-ray collection:2373 Blu-ray reviews:2 Trading Score:1	https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread.php?t=17334 Here's that thread I was talking about. I haven't totally watched the whole movie (doing so tomorrow night with some friends) so when I tested it, it was in the day time. But I still didn't say it was perfect like some other people did.

09-20-2007, 07:53 PM	#9
Xerious Special Member Member since:Mar 2007 Location:Washington, DC Blu-ray collection:238 Blu-ray reviews:4	wow... too much time on your hands here man... is it really that noticable??

09-20-2007, 07:54 PM	#11
AlexanderG Member Member since:Sep 2007 Blu-ray collection:52	Overall the PQ is indeed superb, but still, the fact that artifacts exist, when they could easily be prevented by encoding to BD's strengths, makes me disappointed in the release.

09-20-2007, 07:41 PM	#14
ClaytonMG Blu-ray Samurai Member since:May 2006 Location:New Brighton, MN Home Theater Gallery:16 4K collection:836 Blu-ray collection:2373 Blu-ray reviews:2 Trading Score:1	That's weird... people started saying that this is the best picture ever just yesterday... There's even a thread about it.

09-21-2007, 02:06 PM	#17
becomingwater Power Member Member since:Mar 2007 Location:New Mexico Home Theater Gallery:1 4K collection:15 Blu-ray collection:526 Blu-ray reviews:13 Trading Score:3	I am guessing that is the TV.

09-21-2007, 02:36 PM	#18
Intamin Power Member Top ranked HT gallery Top contributor Member since:Sep 2007 Location:Houston Home Theater Gallery:38 Blu-ray collection:318	While I didn't see any blue cubes appear on my screen, there were times when I did see the picture blur and turn into tiny cubes on the sides of peoples faces. Most noticeably when Helen and Paris are talking in one scene (I think it was after the love scene). While it wasn't a huge deal, it was frustrating knowing that it could be better. I got a Blu Ray player for the best picture possible, not so it could be dumbed down to hd-dud standards.

09-21-2007, 02:39 PM	#19
The Big Blue Blu-ray Guru Member since:Feb 2007 Blu-ray collection:98 Blu-ray reviews:1	How about this... Sony takes a ~3 hr movie of theirs and allows it to be put on HD DVD, claim they are testing the waters. If HD DVD takes the bait the limits of HD DVD will be there for all to see, the BD version will sell better and Sony says that the smaller HD DVD sales aren't worth it. If they don't take the offer then they're yeller.

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