Artifacting in Troy: DC - It's clear this HD DVD level bitrate crap isn't working - Blu-ray Forum

AlexanderG · 09-20-2007, 07:34 PM

Is it any coincidence that the artifacts appear when the bitrate is lowered to a pathetic 7.9 mbps?!??!?!? Of course not... It's a DIRECT RESULT of the bitrate being lowered to 7.9 mbps.

There's other scenes like this as well... Encoding to the lowest common denominator just really isn't cutting it any more... Especially for a 3 hour 16 minute epic. Ridiculous.

aygie · 09-20-2007, 07:40 PM

sorry, was this Blu or HD-DVD? Does this exist on both versions?

ClaytonMG · 09-20-2007, 07:41 PM

That's weird... people started saying that this is the best picture ever just yesterday... There's even a thread about it.

ClaytonMG · 09-20-2007, 07:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Aygie

sorry, was this Blu or HD-DVD? Does this exist on both versions?

Looks like it's on his PS3... And it wouldn't matter because WB uses the same transfer for both.

WriteSimply · 09-20-2007, 07:45 PM

Snail mail to Warner with a picture of the artifacting. Tell them that while it's good that they are supporting both formats, they need to maximize the encoding of the main feature to each format's strength.

fuad

AlexanderG · 09-20-2007, 07:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Aygie

sorry, was this Blu or HD-DVD? Does this exist on both versions?

It's Blu, but they use the same exact encode for both, so yes, it will exist on both versions.

ClaytonMG · 09-20-2007, 07:51 PM

https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread.php?t=17334

Here's that thread I was talking about. I haven't totally watched the whole movie (doing so tomorrow night with some friends) so when I tested it, it was in the day time. But I still didn't say it was perfect like some other people did.

Xerious · 09-20-2007, 07:53 PM

wow... too much time on your hands here man... is it really that noticable??

AlexanderG · 09-20-2007, 07:54 PM

Overall the PQ is indeed superb, but still, the fact that artifacts exist, when they could easily be prevented by encoding to BD's strengths, makes me disappointed in the release.

DJeffries · 09-20-2007, 07:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WriteSimply

Snail mail to Warner with a picture of the artifacting. Tell them that while it's good that they are supporting both formats, they need to maximize the encoding of the main feature to each format's strength.

fuad

Please remember to be polite if you follow this advice.

AlexanderG · 09-20-2007, 07:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Xerious

wow... too much time on your hands here man... is it really that noticable??

Yeah, actually it is, otherwise I wouldn't have posted anything about it. Why are you being satisfied with a flawed release that could have been preventable by not encoding to the lowest common denominator's spec?

Gamma_Winstead · 09-20-2007, 08:00 PM

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Originally Posted by AlexanderG

Is it any coincidence that the artifacts appear when the bitrate is lowered to a pathetic 7.9 mbps?!??!?!? Of course not... It's a DIRECT RESULT of the bitrate being lowered to 7.9 mbps.

There's other scenes like this as well... Encoding to the lowest common denominator just really isn't cutting it any more... Especially for a 3 hour 16 minute epic. Ridiculous.

OH NO!!! A BLUE SPECK!! WHATEVER SHALL WE DO!!!! yet people still don't notice that the majority of movies have this! even Pirates! OK maybe not Pirates.

jayd · 09-20-2007, 08:01 PM

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Originally Posted by GoldenRedux

Warner does one encoding for the lowest common denominator (i.e. HD-DVD) and then ports it over to Blu-ray, so WYSIWYG, be it the HD-DVD or the BD version. They are one and the same when it comes to PQ for Warner releases.

Well that is crap, it's like porting over a Xbox 360 game to PS3. I don't wanna start nasty stuff about Warner, because I want then on our side, but they need to start using the full potential of Blu-Ray, so that the consumer can notice the difference, between the two HD formats.

aygie · 09-20-2007, 08:02 PM

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Originally Posted by ClaytonMG

Looks like it's on his PS3... And it wouldn't matter because WB uses the same transfer for both.

Thats what i was thinking.

patrick99 · 09-20-2007, 08:05 PM

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Originally Posted by jayd

Well that is crap, it's like porting over a Xbox 360 game to PS3. I don't wanna start nasty stuff about Warner, because I want then on our side, but they need to start using the full potential of Blu-Ray, so that the consumer can notice the difference, between the two HD formats.

Unfortunately I think Warner is going to continue doing this until HD DVD dies its well-deserved death or Warner goes BD exclusive. All the more reason to hope for one of those outcomes as soon as possible.

aygie · 09-20-2007, 08:05 PM

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Originally Posted by AlexanderG

It's Blu, but they use the same exact encode for both, so yes, it will exist on both versions.

Sorry didn't see your post, Plasma or LCD? I'd be really interested if that was on an LCD. (i have both and my Plasma gets riddled with it.) If you get a chance it might be worth checking out.

BTBuck1 · 09-20-2007, 08:07 PM

look, it may be the movie...but it could be the tv's capability to display all the color, IE 8, 10bit, 12bit etc.

What make/model is this set?

I only say this because I wrongly accussed The HDDVD title " 2 fast 2 furious" and it turned out to be the TV i was using at the time causing the problem. And it looked very similar to what I see here.

I say you get the time stamp post it, and have others check this with their versions on their tv's...just to make sure.

dillycheeze · 09-20-2007, 08:07 PM

i need to pick this up

ClaytonMG · 09-20-2007, 08:15 PM

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Originally Posted by dillycheeze

yeah i was going to say.....i saw those threads yesterday and shook my head....i havent seen the movie yet but there is NO WAY that a 3hr 15m movie using VC-1 on an encode thats probably 25GB (optimized for an hd-dvd disc) could earn the praise that POTC gets and deserves....do people know what they are watching?

Technically a 50gb disc... with 30gb taken up...

EDIT: Actually, I take that back. This does have PCM track on it so it might be a little more than 30gb.

JGB7 · 09-20-2007, 08:18 PM

I didn't notice anything like that on my PS3 while watching it and I am pretty sensative to stuff like that. I will say that when I first got Corpse Bride on Blu Ray, I noticed something very similar to what is in your screenshot in a couple of the early scenes when watching it on my PS3. Red/Pinkish blocks. It pissed me off because I was using the HD DVD version to show off to my friends before getting a Blu Ray player, and that version didn't have any artifacts. At the time, I had decided to replace some of the HD DVDs I had with the Blu Ray versions and I noticed these artifacts on the new Blu Ray disc, but had not read about anyone else seeing them or complaining about them.

I checked my PS3 settings, and noticed my player was set to output
Y Pb/Cb Pr/Cr, which I had read was better than RGB. My DLP Mitsu 65" 731 series TV seemed to display the image fine with that setting. Anyway, when I switched my PS3 to RGB instead, the artifacts dissappeard. Totally gone! I'm not saying you have anything set incorrectly, just relaying a similar experience I had with another title. Again, I watched the new Troy and didn't notice anything like that. The artificing in your screencap looks really bad. I would have been pissed if I had seen that especially since I just replaced the HD DVD theatrical version with the new Blu Ray cut. My 2 cents.....

Joe

09-20-2007, 07:34 PM	#1
AlexanderG Member Member since:Sep 2007 Blu-ray collection:52	Artifacting in Troy: DC - It's clear this HD DVD level bitrate crap isn't working Is it any coincidence that the artifacts appear when the bitrate is lowered to a pathetic 7.9 mbps?!??!?!? Of course not... It's a DIRECT RESULT of the bitrate being lowered to 7.9 mbps. There's other scenes like this as well... Encoding to the lowest common denominator just really isn't cutting it any more... Especially for a 3 hour 16 minute epic. Ridiculous.

09-20-2007, 08:07 PM	#18
dillycheeze Active Member Member since:May 2007 Blu-ray reviews:1	i need to pick this up Last edited by dillycheeze; 09-21-2007 at 05:05 PM.

09-20-2007, 08:18 PM	#20
JGB7 Member Member since:Jul 2007 Blu-ray collection:182	Troy I didn't notice anything like that on my PS3 while watching it and I am pretty sensative to stuff like that. I will say that when I first got Corpse Bride on Blu Ray, I noticed something very similar to what is in your screenshot in a couple of the early scenes when watching it on my PS3. Red/Pinkish blocks. It pissed me off because I was using the HD DVD version to show off to my friends before getting a Blu Ray player, and that version didn't have any artifacts. At the time, I had decided to replace some of the HD DVDs I had with the Blu Ray versions and I noticed these artifacts on the new Blu Ray disc, but had not read about anyone else seeing them or complaining about them. I checked my PS3 settings, and noticed my player was set to output Y Pb/Cb Pr/Cr, which I had read was better than RGB. My DLP Mitsu 65" 731 series TV seemed to display the image fine with that setting. Anyway, when I switched my PS3 to RGB instead, the artifacts dissappeard. Totally gone! I'm not saying you have anything set incorrectly, just relaying a similar experience I had with another title. Again, I watched the new Troy and didn't notice anything like that. The artificing in your screencap looks really bad. I would have been pissed if I had seen that especially since I just replaced the HD DVD theatrical version with the new Blu Ray cut. My 2 cents..... Joe Last edited by JGB7; 09-20-2007 at 08:21 PM.

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09-20-2007, 07:40 PM	#2
aygie Blu-ray Ninja Member since:Jul 2007 Location:PSN Network: Aygie Blu-ray collection:99	sorry, was this Blu or HD-DVD? Does this exist on both versions?

09-20-2007, 07:41 PM	#3
ClaytonMG Blu-ray Samurai Member since:May 2006 Location:New Brighton, MN Home Theater Gallery:16 4K collection:836 Blu-ray collection:2373 Blu-ray reviews:2 Trading Score:1	That's weird... people started saying that this is the best picture ever just yesterday... There's even a thread about it.

09-20-2007, 07:45 PM	#5
WriteSimply Blu-ray Ninja Member since:Sep 2006 Location:Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia	Snail mail to Warner with a picture of the artifacting. Tell them that while it's good that they are supporting both formats, they need to maximize the encoding of the main feature to each format's strength. fuad

09-20-2007, 07:51 PM	#7
ClaytonMG Blu-ray Samurai Member since:May 2006 Location:New Brighton, MN Home Theater Gallery:16 4K collection:836 Blu-ray collection:2373 Blu-ray reviews:2 Trading Score:1	https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread.php?t=17334 Here's that thread I was talking about. I haven't totally watched the whole movie (doing so tomorrow night with some friends) so when I tested it, it was in the day time. But I still didn't say it was perfect like some other people did.

09-20-2007, 07:53 PM	#8
Xerious Special Member Member since:Mar 2007 Location:Washington, DC Blu-ray collection:238 Blu-ray reviews:4	wow... too much time on your hands here man... is it really that noticable??

09-20-2007, 07:54 PM	#9
AlexanderG Member Member since:Sep 2007 Blu-ray collection:52	Overall the PQ is indeed superb, but still, the fact that artifacts exist, when they could easily be prevented by encoding to BD's strengths, makes me disappointed in the release.

09-20-2007, 08:07 PM	#17
BTBuck1 Blu-ray Samurai Member since:Jun 2006 Location:Oceanside, CA. Blu-ray collection:507 DVD collection:1	look, it may be the movie...but it could be the tv's capability to display all the color, IE 8, 10bit, 12bit etc. What make/model is this set? I only say this because I wrongly accussed The HDDVD title " 2 fast 2 furious" and it turned out to be the TV i was using at the time causing the problem. And it looked very similar to what I see here. I say you get the time stamp post it, and have others check this with their versions on their tv's...just to make sure.

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