CNBC article on format war!!! - Blu-ray Forum

greekjgg · 12-10-2007, 05:54 PM

http://www.cnbc.com/id/22184987

Atleast he acknowledged the NBC involvement from the start.

He strokes the massive increase in HD Players, but then brings minor reference to disk sales. "If disc sales were any indication...."

maximiza · 12-10-2007, 05:57 PM

I voted in the poll

JJ · 12-10-2007, 05:59 PM

Quote:

Take PS3 out of the mix and there isn't even a competition here.

Take Tom Brady out of the Patriots and they aren't 13-0.

Sheesh.

Take the engine out of the car and it won't run.

Lord.

Take the blood out of a human and he'll die.

I loathe those kind of references.

Thegide · 12-10-2007, 06:00 PM

Apparently so did all of AVS... we need more blu votes out there

RUR · 12-10-2007, 06:01 PM

"But the fact that NBC and Universal and are partners doesn't color my handicapping of the ongoing format war that has consumers caught in the middle."

'course not

RickD · 12-10-2007, 06:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by greekjgg

http://www.cnbc.com/id/22184987

Atleast he acknowledged the NBC involvement from the start.

He strokes the massive increase in HD Players, but then brings minor reference to disk sales. "If disc sales were any indication...."

"The blogs say this is to be expected since HD DVD players are being bought by movie fans; Blu-ray players are acquired by gamers who may also want to watch the occasional movie."

I just bought a Panasonic BD player to replace my Samsung. What does that have to do with gaming?

Rick

RickD · 12-10-2007, 06:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Thegide

Apparently so did all of AVS... we need more blu votes out there

Hehe. Blu-Ray jumped to %60.

Rick

Sharpei · 12-10-2007, 06:08 PM

Will you buy an HD DVD or Blu-ray format this holiday season, as a gift or for yourself? * 107 responses

HD DVD
31%

Blu-ray
62%

Not really buying either
7.5%

[ ] Not a scientific survey.

JadedRaverLA · 12-10-2007, 06:08 PM

He says that standalones are neck-and-neck, then says that without the PS3 (which wasn't included in standalones of course) there wouldn't even be a competition.

It sounds to me like without the PS3, there actually would be a competition, instead of one format slowly dying. It's a bad sign when a corporate conglomerate starts using their news division to spread FUD.

kiskiboy97 · 12-10-2007, 06:09 PM

"Take PS3 out of the mix and there isn't even a competition here."

A lot of people, like me, bought the PS3 because it was, at the time, the best available Blu-ray player on the market. I think the new Panny beats it at the moment, but once the PS3 lands the 1.1 profile update, it'll once again be the leading Blu-ray player available.

Yawn. Another day, another questionable article from Goldman.

Borris · 12-10-2007, 06:13 PM

No surprise this sounds one-sided. Afterall, it's also the same company that runs MS-NBC. Wouldn't have expected anything less from them.

Go Blu · 12-10-2007, 06:16 PM

NICE, as usual 2:1

mystiksuicide · 12-10-2007, 06:18 PM

We need to CRUSH the red ants!!! Everyone vote especially since it's a friendly site to the duders!!!!

greekjgg · 12-10-2007, 06:19 PM

Yea, I just sent him an email letting him no that he knows nothing as he only talks about Bourne this week, when the real story will be with Harry Potter.

He totally missed the boat and the chance to talk about the real news this week.

lcseds · 12-10-2007, 06:22 PM

"Take PS3 out of the mix and there isn't even a competition here."

How is that? 700,000 HD units. 2.7 Million Blu Ray. Remove the 2 Million PS3 and it's still 700,000 BD units against 700,000 HD units. Why is there "No Competition Here"?

Fuzzy math.

scook · 12-10-2007, 06:26 PM

Time will tell who is the winner. We know it, just give em time.

Blu-Ray Buckeye · 12-10-2007, 06:27 PM

I like this excerpt:

I say neck-and-neck because I haven't seen any hard evidence that consumers are buying PS3's BECAUSE there's also a Blu-ray player inside. The PS3 relationship continues to be a boon for the Blu-ray format, but what's amazing is how close HD DVD continues to keep this race.

Immediately after he mentions the 3:1 sales ratio in favor of BD on Black friday. Hey Dorkus, you think maybe that's some "hard evidence" that PS3 owners actually are buying movies? Also how exactly is that an example of things being so "close"?

I'm amazed that people will argue that player sales are even or that HD-DVD is ahead then they can't reconcile the difference in movie sales. "Gosh, I just can't figure out why BD sells more given less player sales AND a lower attach rate." Sure you can't, because it's mathematically impossible. The assumptions are bogus.

jetydosa · 12-10-2007, 06:27 PM

Voted...I agree seems a very contridictory article...1st he says if you remove the players its pretty much 'neck and neck', but then goes on to say there is no competition if you remove the PS3?

EDIT - A lot of people drawing the same conclusions as me, just typing faster

Blu-Ray Buckeye · 12-10-2007, 06:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RUR

"But the fact that NBC and Universal and are partners doesn't color my handicapping of the ongoing format war that has consumers caught in the middle."

'course not

Send them an email. I did.

surfdude12 · 12-10-2007, 06:32 PM

(1) "i've seen no hard evidence that people are buying PS3 BECAUSE of its blu-ray movie playing..."

RIGHT HERE, I AM YOUR EVIDENCE...movie playing #1, original intent. but it would be inconvenient (al gore) to take me and all other people like me into account

(2) "400 percent increase in HD-DVD sales..." yeah when you start from NOTHING, "percent increases" sure can get high....the biggest SCAM STATISTIC in history, whoever bites on it is a pure MORON

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12-10-2007, 05:54 PM	#1
greekjgg Expert Member Member since:Jun 2007 Trading Score:1	CNBC article on format war!!! http://www.cnbc.com/id/22184987 Atleast he acknowledged the NBC involvement from the start. He strokes the massive increase in HD Players, but then brings minor reference to disk sales. "If disc sales were any indication...."

12-10-2007, 05:57 PM	#2
maximiza Active Member Member since:Sep 2007 Location:Queens Village, NYC	I voted in the poll

12-10-2007, 06:00 PM	#4
Thegide Senior Member Member since:Nov 2007 Location:Ottawa, ON	Apparently so did all of AVS... we need more blu votes out there

12-10-2007, 06:01 PM	#5
RUR Blu-ray Guru Member since:Feb 2007 Location:Abiit, excessit, evasit, erupit Blu-ray collection:143 Trading Score:1	"But the fact that NBC and Universal and are partners doesn't color my handicapping of the ongoing format war that has consumers caught in the middle." 'course not

12-10-2007, 06:08 PM	#8
Sharpei Member Member since:Nov 2007 Blu-ray reviews:4	Will you buy an HD DVD or Blu-ray format this holiday season, as a gift or for yourself? * 107 responses HD DVD 31% Blu-ray 62% Not really buying either 7.5% [ ] Not a scientific survey.

12-10-2007, 06:08 PM	#9
JadedRaverLA Power Member Member since:Apr 2007 Blu-ray reviews:2	He says that standalones are neck-and-neck, then says that without the PS3 (which wasn't included in standalones of course) there wouldn't even be a competition. It sounds to me like without the PS3, there actually would be a competition, instead of one format slowly dying. It's a bad sign when a corporate conglomerate starts using their news division to spread FUD.

12-10-2007, 06:09 PM	#10
kiskiboy97 Blu-ray reviewer Top contributor Member since:Sep 2007 4K collection:- Blu-ray collection:- DVD collection:- Blu-ray reviews:1 Trading Score:2	"Take PS3 out of the mix and there isn't even a competition here." A lot of people, like me, bought the PS3 because it was, at the time, the best available Blu-ray player on the market. I think the new Panny beats it at the moment, but once the PS3 lands the 1.1 profile update, it'll once again be the leading Blu-ray player available. Yawn. Another day, another questionable article from Goldman.

12-10-2007, 06:13 PM	#11
Borris Active Member Member since:Nov 2007 Location:Texas Blu-ray collection:271 Blu-ray reviews:1 Trading Score:1	No surprise this sounds one-sided. Afterall, it's also the same company that runs MS-NBC. Wouldn't have expected anything less from them.

12-10-2007, 06:16 PM	#12
Go Blu Special Member Member since:Feb 2007	NICE, as usual 2:1

12-10-2007, 06:18 PM	#13
mystiksuicide Blu-ray Guru Member since:Sep 2007 Location:Miami Blu-ray collection:305 Blu-ray reviews:27	We need to CRUSH the red ants!!! Everyone vote especially since it's a friendly site to the duders!!!!

12-10-2007, 06:19 PM	#14
greekjgg Expert Member Member since:Jun 2007 Trading Score:1	Yea, I just sent him an email letting him no that he knows nothing as he only talks about Bourne this week, when the real story will be with Harry Potter. He totally missed the boat and the chance to talk about the real news this week.

12-10-2007, 06:22 PM	#15
lcseds New Member Member since:Aug 2007	"Take PS3 out of the mix and there isn't even a competition here." How is that? 700,000 HD units. 2.7 Million Blu Ray. Remove the 2 Million PS3 and it's still 700,000 BD units against 700,000 HD units. Why is there "No Competition Here"? Fuzzy math.

12-10-2007, 06:26 PM	#16
scook Senior Member Member since:Apr 2007 Location:Rochester, NY Home Theater Gallery:14 Blu-ray collection:171	Time will tell who is the winner. We know it, just give em time.

12-10-2007, 06:27 PM	#17
Blu-Ray Buckeye Power Member Member since:Dec 2006 Location:Virginia	I like this excerpt: I say neck-and-neck because I haven't seen any hard evidence that consumers are buying PS3's BECAUSE there's also a Blu-ray player inside. The PS3 relationship continues to be a boon for the Blu-ray format, but what's amazing is how close HD DVD continues to keep this race. Immediately after he mentions the 3:1 sales ratio in favor of BD on Black friday. Hey Dorkus, you think maybe that's some "hard evidence" that PS3 owners actually are buying movies? Also how exactly is that an example of things being so "close"? I'm amazed that people will argue that player sales are even or that HD-DVD is ahead then they can't reconcile the difference in movie sales. "Gosh, I just can't figure out why BD sells more given less player sales AND a lower attach rate." Sure you can't, because it's mathematically impossible. The assumptions are bogus.

12-10-2007, 06:27 PM	#18
jetydosa Active Member Member since:Dec 2007 Home Theater Gallery:7 Blu-ray collection:51 Trading Score:4	Voted...I agree seems a very contridictory article...1st he says if you remove the players its pretty much 'neck and neck', but then goes on to say there is no competition if you remove the PS3? EDIT - A lot of people drawing the same conclusions as me, just typing faster

12-10-2007, 06:32 PM	#20
surfdude12 Blu-ray Knight Member since:Jul 2007 Location:Club Loop Blu-ray collection:343 Blu-ray reviews:112 Trading Score:1	(1) "i've seen no hard evidence that people are buying PS3 BECAUSE of its blu-ray movie playing..." RIGHT HERE, I AM YOUR EVIDENCE...movie playing #1, original intent. but it would be inconvenient (al gore) to take me and all other people like me into account (2) "400 percent increase in HD-DVD sales..." yeah when you start from NOTHING, "percent increases" sure can get high....the biggest SCAM STATISTIC in history, whoever bites on it is a pure MORON

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