PS3 not allowing TV to reformat?

[bpalmer21]

So I use m PS3 to watch blu rays on, and it looks fantastic, however I dont care for the black bars across the screen. My Phillips TV automatically reformats everthing to fill the screen (awesome except during SOCOM) except when Im using the PS3 for blurays, I tried changing the settings but no dice?

Is there a player out there that I could use? Or can I change the PS3 to make it happen?

BP

[WriteSimply]

No player can do the zooming that you require. There is no setting on the PS3 that can do that either. And it's not called a "reformat".

It might also be a good idea to SEARCH this forum for this topic has been discussed SO MANY TIMES by people who don't like to watch movies the way it was intended to be seen in the cinemas.


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[Kryptron]

https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread.php?t=38161

[bpalmer21]

Originally Posted by WriteSimply

No player can do the zooming that you require. There is no setting on the PS3 that can do that either. And it's not called a "reformat".

It might also be a good idea to SEARCH this forum for this topic has been discussed SO MANY TIMES by people who don't like to watch movies the way it was intended to be seen in the cinemas.


fuad

Very informative, your a real winner.

[bkbluray]

Originally Posted by bpalmer21

Very informative, your a real winner.

Don't worry about that. The search function on this forum is terrible, and even if you used it, it would have been hard enough to find what you're looking for.

[quexos]

Originally Posted by WriteSimply

It might also be a good idea to SEARCH this forum for this topic has been discussed SO MANY TIMES by people who don't like to watch movies the way it was intended to be seen in the cinemas.
fuad

I have to disagree, in cinemas it was NOT intended with black bars up and down. The issue is simply that wide screen TV's are not wide enough, thus the black bars. And yes this has been discussed many times but I just wanted to specify that just cause one does not like black bars does not mean one does not want to watch it the way it was intended.

PS: Even when watching with my PS3 is still have the option in my TV between "Widescreen" and "Unscaled". There is not much difference between the two, but widescreen makes me lose a little bit of image left and right, while unscaled lets me see it all (but with bigger black bars).

[WriteSimply]

Originally Posted by quexos

I have to disagree, in cinemas it was NOT intended with black bars up and down.

That's because in the cinemas, the right equipment and trained personnel will ensure that it is seen as the director intended. If cinemas don't have both, the quality of the image projected will suffer.

Depending on the screen, cinemas DO have the black bars. It's just covered in black velvet cloth. For constant height screens (the screen's height is constant at say 15 feet) at 2.40, the black bars will be on the sides of a 1.85 projected image. For constant width screen (the screen's width is constant at say 40 feet) at 1.85, the black bars will be at the top of the 2.40 projected image. So there! :P


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[Banfire69]

Hello,

I am a sound/video engineer in Florida, USA.

Alot of people seem to have trouble with the aspect ratio of the image they see on their tv.

Most movies are filmed using 2.40:1 aspect ratio cameras, that explains why you get the black bars on your wide screen tv because its aspect ratio depending on the manufacturer is ranged anywhere from 1.80:1 to 1.90:1, just because they say its a 16x9 tv does not mean its aspect ratio is exactly 1.85:1. this is also varied by type of tv( lcd, plasma, dlp ). If 1000 people would call samsung they will make a tv with a motorized frame that can change aspect ratios from 1.85:1 to 2.40:1 by adjusting the top, bottom, and sides of the frame. also the new samsung set top boxes that will hit the market in fall of 2009 can be set to have one standard aspect ratio and resolution across all channels by using either dvdo or faroudja dcdi built in scaler. Tv with the aspect ratio of 2.40:1 will hit the market in summer of 2012. A common misconception is that people think just because something says its 1080P they are watching 1080p, That is totally not true most of the media formats out their were up-converted to a blu-ray disc or other high def media. most movie producers have not upgraded to 1080P quality film cameras yet, and the ones that did only film parts of the movie with these cameras because the process is very expensive. If you look at the making of certain movies they are actualluy using a handheld camera you can find at your local electronics store to film certain scenes. Take planet earth for instance if you look at all of them although it says 1080p on the box the resolutions are different per episode. That is because it took five+ years to make, so they had to use various cameras along the line upgrading as technology progressed. Tv's show 1080p best in screen sizes ranging from 36" to 48" anything larger and the pixels are stretched to a much larger size.
if you want to go any larger than this i recommend you go with a projector.
you can actually see this difference using a projectors zoom, when you have the image at the minimal size from an average of 15feet away you get an amazing picture, and when you zoom in to get a larger picture on your wall you can start to see the pixels. same concept with tv's different application.
When you are watching actual 1080P on a 1080P TV you get one picture segment per pixel, if you watch 720P on a 1080P TV you get one segment per four pixels and 480P to 1080P you get one segment fer Eight pixels. that explains why lower resolutions look worse on a higher definition TV depending on it's size of course.

Oh and looseless and un-compressed audio are the best. no matter what dolby and dts are still compression formats ( key word compression ). for instance if a scene in a movie with dolby or dts usually goes down to 25HZ that same scene in looseless or un-compressed formats will go down to 21HZ or less. Most receivers used to have a cutoff period of 20HZ to 20KHZ but not anymore they go all the way down to 0HZ to 40,60,80, and 100 KHZ meaning if you are watching a movie in looseless and un-compressed formats and their is a scene that goes above or below what your speakers can handle you will damage them. Most of you should stick to dolby or dts formats to keep from damaging your speakers ( i recommend dts they don't compress the sound as much that is why it sounds better. let me know what kind of speakers and receivers you have and i can help to let you know what kind of audio format will be best for you.

For TV'S i recommend ( Samsung, Pioneer, Sony. )
For receivers I recommend ( ONKYO, PIONEER, DENON, MARANTZ. )
FOR PROJECTORS I RECOMMEND ( OPTOMA, MARANTZ, PIONEER, SAMSUNG, RUNCO, DREAMVISIONZ, AND A FEW MORE.
FOR SPEAKERS LET ME KNOW YOUR BUDGET AND WHAT YOU WANT TO HEAR.

IF YOU THINK YOU ARE AN AUDIOPHILE AND YOU HAVE A BOSE SYSTEM THEN YOU ARE NOT AN AUDIOPHILE AND DO NOT HAVE TRUE SPEAKERS.

Thanks,

Nas.

[aramis109]

Originally Posted by bpalmer21

So I use m PS3 to watch blu rays on, and it looks fantastic, however I dont care for the black bars across the screen. My Phillips TV automatically reformats everthing to fill the screen (awesome except during SOCOM) except when Im using the PS3 for blurays, I tried changing the settings but no dice?

Is there a player out there that I could use? Or can I change the PS3 to make it happen?

BP

Though your post made me completely cringe, I'll just answer that No, there's no setting that'll do that. "Automatic" will zoom in on the Philips slightly, but not like that.

But... ok, I gotta ask- why do that? You're cutting off the edges of the screen just for a slightly taller picture and you're killing the aspect ratio and filming methods that the director originally intended! I keep pointing out Dark City, as there's an extreme shot where the characters are at the edges of the screen, so as to "emphasize the physical and mental distance between them". If you zoomed in, you'd cut off both of them and have an empty screen with people talking to each other off-camera.

[Paganmoon]

Not sure what model Philips you have, but atleast with mine, the zooming feature is dependent on the input you've selected for the connection you're using. For instance, I've set my HDMI1 to Game (for the xbox360), HDMI2 is set to HD-Digital TV, and HDMI 3 to Blu-ray (PS3).

The HD-Digital TV setting, does not allow zooming, and neither does the Blu-ray setting.

Check your manual for how you set options for the different connections.

/P

[topher90]

I would like to see an extra widescreen tv for watching films, with a true ratio so there would be no black bars.

[scweb13]

Originally Posted by topher90

I would like to see an extra widescreen tv for watching films, with a true ratio so there would be no black bars.

Wouldn't work either. Then there would be pillar boxing on some movies (1.85:1, 1.78:1, and 1.66:1) and 4:3 movies and tv shows would look horrible.

[Pelican170]

If you play with the setting on, i think its called "Upconvert", you cant zoom in on blurays? Ive done it with dvds but have never tried for blu's. On the ps3 i mean...

[Kryptron]

Originally Posted by topher90

I would like to see an extra widescreen tv for watching films, with a true ratio so there would be no black bars.

Then you would see black bars on the side for the other aspect ratios. I rather have black bars on the top and bottom then the sides. A nice projector would be the way to go for that.

Originally Posted by bpalmer21
Don't worry about that. The search function on this forum is terrible, and even if you used it, it would have been hard enough to find what you're looking for.

No need to search when there is a Sticky about this.

[Big Daddy]

Originally Posted by bpalmer21

So I use m PS3 to watch blu rays on, and it looks fantastic, however I dont care for the black bars across the screen. My Phillips TV automatically reformats everthing to fill the screen (awesome except during SOCOM) except when Im using the PS3 for blurays, I tried changing the settings but no dice?

Is there a player out there that I could use? Or can I change the PS3 to make it happen?

BP

TV's and projectors generally do not allow you to reformat them when they receive 1080p signal. It is not the fault of PS3 or the TV. Change the output of PS3 to 480p and the TV should allow you to reformat the screen.

[bpalmer21]

You know, I never said that I prefered the zooming feature I just wondered if it was possible, bc it does it on my PS3 during games but not when watching BluRay.

I understand and respect the directors original version, and your thougths related to,

BP

[bajor27]

Originally Posted by bpalmer21

You know, I never said that I prefered the zooming feature I just wondered if it was possible, bc it does it on my PS3 during games but not when watching BluRay.

I understand and respect the directors original version, and your thougths related to,

BP

You did say you didn't care for the black bars, and you're asking for help getting rid of them. I think you can understand why we'd think you preferred the zooming feature. Heck, you even said you have your TV zoom automatically, so it sounds like you almost always watch things without black bars.

It is unfortunate that the zoom feature doesn't work though as it would (hopefully) get people to stop asking Blus to be pan and scanned to fit a 16:9 screen.

[WriteSimply]

Originally Posted by bpalmer21

Very informative, your a real winner.

Did I NOT answer your question? Or is the answer something you didn't like to hear?

Originally Posted by bpalmer21

You know, I never said that I prefered the zooming feature I just wondered if it was possible, bc it does it on my PS3 during games but not when watching BluRay.

For PS1 & PS2 games, the PS3 does this because they are meant for NTSC. Even then, not all PS1&2 games gives you widescreen.

HD video is ATSC and all PS3 games, either on disc or downloadables, are in HD at least in 720p. PS3 games DO NOT need to be zoomed in because the native aspect ratio is 16:9.


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