Fantastic Four (2015)

[toddly6666]

Originally Posted by Spirit Zero

Didn't know all this! sounds ropy.

FANTASTIC FOUR Movie Reboot - Is It DOOMED? : Black Nerd Rants - YouTube

That was funny!

Can someone clarify if a studio ever actually intentionally sabatoged their own movie with hope for financial failure? Everyone keeps on saying Fox is doing this to screw other Marvel movies. Is that even a realistic scenario?

[fitprod]

Originally Posted by toddly6666

That was funny!

Can someone clarify if a studio ever actually intentionally sabatoged their own movie with hope for financial failure? Everyone keeps on saying Fox is doing this to screw other Marvel movies. Is that even a realistic scenario?

Look we're at a point that I'm convinced that Fox and Sony are both tanking their Marvel properties (except maybe X-Men), in a an effort to get paid off by Disney. They probably figure if they hurt the perception of the brand enough they'll get paid to get out... And at this point Fox and Sony (more so...) are desperately looking for cash.

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[Lt. Brannigan]

Originally Posted by fitprod

Look we're at a point that I'm convinced that Fox and Sony are both tanking their Marvel properties (except maybe X-Men), in a an effort to get paid off by Disney. They probably figure if they hurt the perception of the brand enough they'll get paid to get out... And at this point Fox and Sony (more so...) are desperately looking for cash.

fitprod

Yeah, after all Disney went on a buying spree not too long ago and snapped up almost anything they could get their paws on and paid huge bucks to boot. So it's not unreasonable that both Fox and Sony want to get rid of what they perceive to be dead weight. Although Fox would have to give up X-Men as well, which is a cash cow for them and I don't they think they are willing to do that.

[Darkstream]

Originally Posted by Lt. Brannigan

Yeah, after all Disney went on a buying spree not too long ago and snapped up almost anything they could get their paws on and paid huge bucks to boot. So it's not unreasonable that both Fox and Sony want to get rid of what they perceive to be dead weight. Although Fox would have to give up X-Men as well, which is a cash cow for them and I don't they think they are willing to do that.

I don't think Fox will ever give up X-Men. The X-Men and Fantastic Four licenses are independent of each other, so if Marvel does ever get the FF back, that doesn't mean the X-Men are going with them. Remember, Daredevil was at Fox, too, but when Marvel got the rights back for that, X-Men and the FF stayed right where they are.

Take this with a grain of salt, but from what I heard, Sony has been talking with Marvel, so I'm sure we'll all hear about something one way or another with what's going on with the Spider-Man franchise. At the very least, we know that Sony and Marvel have a greater line of communication with each other than what Marvel has with Fox.

[Another_Dude]

Originally Posted by toddly6666

That was funny!

Can someone clarify if a studio ever actually intentionally sabatoged their own movie with hope for financial failure? Everyone keeps on saying Fox is doing this to screw other Marvel movies. Is that even a realistic scenario?

Fox's treatment of Idiocracy was pretty close.

[Lt. Brannigan]

Originally Posted by Darkstream

I don't think Fox will ever give up X-Men. The X-Men and Fantastic Four licenses are independent of each other, so if Marvel does ever get the FF back, that doesn't mean the X-Men are going with them. Remember, Daredevil was at Fox, too, but when Marvel got the rights back for that, X-Men and the FF stayed right where they are.

I was thinking along the lines of Disney/Marvel saying basically that F4 license was practically worthless but they would gladly take X-Men and they would throw some gratuity in for F4.

[Red Dragon]

I've honestly tried to maintain my sense of humor and moreover I've genuinely tried to remain open-minded throughout the entire updating/revamping (forward minded diversification/unnecessary stunt casting/political correctness debate) and I was successful ...to a degree.

But this news about Victor Von Doom (one of Marvel's three greatest villains of all-time), is just about the straw that broke the camel's back. Although I generally attempt to maintain my composure, I must at this point say that if the rumored changes to Victor (is that even still his name?) are, in point of fact, true than quite simply...

F*ck this film...

Or to put it another way ...I've already seen the character of Victor Von Doom destroyed in the prior "Fantastic Four" films ...along with the character of Galactus. Guess I'm a bit tired of these bullish*t movies.

[Darkstream]

Originally Posted by Lt. Brannigan

I was thinking along the lines of Disney/Marvel saying basically that F4 license was practically worthless but they would gladly take X-Men and they would throw some gratuity in for F4.

There's no way that Marvel would ever think the FF (or F4) license was truly worthless. That's Marvel's First Family! And Dr. Doom is Marvel's greatest supervillain! Just because no one else has ever had good handle on the characters doesn't mean that Marvel wouldn't want them back to show what really could be done with them. If anyone from Marvel ever said something to the effect of "the Fantastic Four license is practically worthless," it would have all been a deal-making tactic just to get them back at an agreeable price, whether X-Men were included or not.

[DisneyBlu]

I have no doubt in my mind that Marvel could spin gold with the Fantastic Four property. The FF are a perfect fit for the MCU.

An ideal FF film would embrace the Lee/Kirby comics, and have the same tone as the first Iron Man film and the first Thor film. Fox could never in a million years make the Fantastic Four film I know Marvel Studios could make. Marvel took Guardians of the Galaxy and made it one of the most successful movies of the year; the most successful domestic success. They turned Rocket and Groot into superstars. They're now iconic. Marvel would make the FF A-list superstars again, and the FF would be more popular than ever before. No doubt in my mind.

And to think what Marvel could do if they could utilize Galactus, Silver Surfer... it would be amazing. And we know Marvel wanted them, because they once offered to let Fox keep the Daredevil rights if Fox would trade them just the rights to Galactus and Silver Surfer.

I'm not saying Marvel can do no wrong, but they're making the best comic book movies. They get their characters better than anyone. They make the most "comic book-y" comic book movies that appeal to hardcore comic book fans just as much as they appeal to people who have never touched a comic book. Even if Fox pulled a miracle and made a good FF movie, it could never be as good as a Marvel Studios FF movie. Not to sound like a Marvel fanboy, but the simple truth is they have the best record.

Imagine a Lee/Kirby inspired FF movie, with the classic FF, helmed by Brad Bird? How great would that be? Instead we're stuck with Josh Trank, a bunch of actors who look more at home on the CW, and a "Doom" who gets his name from internet bloggers.

Marvel has my faith and my trust. Fox does not.

[Doctor Jack]

Both the F4 and Spider-Man are tainted now. Marvel doesn't need them. Let Fox and Sony keep them and continue to do whatever the hell they are doing. Marvel is strong enough now where those other characters can stay away and won't be missed. At all.

[Darkstream]

Originally Posted by Doctor Jack

Both the F4 and Spider-Man are tainted now. Marvel doesn't need them. Let Fox and Sony keep them and continue to do whatever the hell they are doing. Marvel is strong enough now where those other characters can stay away and won't be missed. At all.

You're in the minority with that thought. Marvel may not need Spider-Man and the Fantastic Four to succeed as a studio, but those properties are near and dear to both Marvel as a company and all their fans, therefore they would be greatly welcomed additions to the Marvel Cinematic Universe at any point in the future. Any sort tainting that those properties suffer at the hands of other studios would wipe clean off in a second the moment the first internet headline reads of Marvel reaquiring Spider-Man and/or The Fantastic Four.

[Thomas Guycott]

Originally Posted by toddly6666

That was funny!

Can someone clarify if a studio ever actually intentionally sabatoged their own movie with hope for financial failure? Everyone keeps on saying Fox is doing this to screw other Marvel movies. Is that even a realistic scenario?

Various tax loopholes over the years have allowed a production's financial backers to receive much higher payouts from box office failure. Recently there was a German one that essentially justified most of Uwe Boll's career until it was finally closed.

[djakrse]

I wonder if this sort of adaptation was sought out for its lower production costs. Fewer powered beings, fewer cgi shots, and keep the F4 away from Marvel for another x years.

[Lt. Brannigan]

Originally Posted by Darkstream

If anyone from Marvel ever said something to the effect of "the Fantastic Four license is practically worthless," it would have all been a deal-making tactic just to get them back at an agreeable price, whether X-Men were included or not.

That's what I was trying to say, however I failed to eloquently express it.

Marvel will always value the comic book characters, but, as of right now, in terms of cinematic value, the property is practically worthless. Three movies in and only two that have seen the light of day.

The movie franchise has never been one that was highly valued by movie fans. the previous F4 movies were regarded as failures some quarters, despite decent box office. Personally I enjoyed them.

And now we have what appears to be fourth F4 movie in the making that appears to be nuclear in how big of a bomb it will be.

IF, and this is a BIG IF, Marvel does go after the F4 rights they will surely attempt to get X-Men as well. And that would give Fox some leverage in negotiations.

The most likely scenario is that Marvel is just going to let Fox grow tired of the franchise and let the rights revert back. That way Marvel doesn't have to spend a dime.

The only way Fox wins, is if Marvel gets itchy and decides they want F4 back RIGHT NOW. But Marvel is quite happy to play with their own toys for the time being.

[AaronJ]

Originally Posted by Thomas Guycott

Various tax loopholes over the years have allowed a production's financial backers to receive much higher payouts from box office failure. Recently there was a German one that essentially justified most of Uwe Boll's career until it was finally closed.

What are you implying?!

[toddly6666]

Originally Posted by Thomas Guycott

Various tax loopholes over the years have allowed a production's financial backers to receive much higher payouts from box office failure. Recently there was a German one that essentially justified most of Uwe Boll's career until it was finally closed.

So the Mel Brooks' The Producers scenario is realistic?

[Elandyll]

Originally Posted by Doctor Jack

Both the F4 and Spider-Man are tainted now. Marvel doesn't need them. Let Fox and Sony keep them and continue to do whatever the hell they are doing. Marvel is strong enough now where those other characters can stay away and won't be missed. At all.

Contrarily to Spiderman, which is pretty much an iconic but isolated wonder, FF has some of the greatest Villains of the entire Marvel - verse.

Galactus
Silver Surfer
Namor
Annihilus
Skrulls (& Super Skrull by extension) - That one stung when they had to use the Chitori instead
Kang (not sure if he his in the Avengers roster or the FF one)

And of course Doom.

It could be said that the roster has 2 out of 4 of Marvel's greatest Villains of all time (Galactus & Doom, the other two being Magneto and Thanos).

I know Spidey is iconic for Marvel, but I'd rather a million times that they'd get FF back honestly. At least I think they can work with Sony to some extent. Looks like bridges are being burned every day between Marvel and Fox these days...

I'd like a world where you have a 3 year rotation between Avengers, FF and GotG (or another team like Inhumans or West Coast Avengers per example).

[Col. Zombie]

Originally Posted by Red Dragon

[Show spoiler]I've honestly tried to maintain my sense of humor and moreover I've genuinely tried to remain open-minded throughout the entire updating/revamping (forward minded diversification/unnecessary stunt casting/political correctness debate) and I was successful ...to a degree.

But this news about Victor Von Doom (one of Marvel's three greatest villains of all-time), is just about the straw that broke the camel's back. Although I generally attempt to maintain my composure, I must at this point say that if the rumored changes to Victor (is that even still his name?) are, in point of fact, true than quite simply...

F*ck this film...

Or to put it another way ...I've already seen the character of Victor Von Doom destroyed in the prior "Fantastic Four" films ...along with the character of Galactus. Guess I'm a bit tired of these bullish*t movies.

Love. This. Post. Couldn't have said it better myself.

[toddly6666]

Wasnt Chronicle mysterious until release as well?

We have seen nothing except for these horrible-sounding info nuggets from actor interviews. They could still be kidding. There is a pattern. Usually in pre-movie interviews, it's all positive or "im sorry I cant talk about that." In FF4 interviews, the cast/crew consistently throw in some form of negativity and horrible story-changing info. Trank is in his 20s - he must have instructed everyone to trick all media. It's something his generation would do.

[DisneyBlu]

Is This the Plot of The Fantastic Four?

I guess this is floating around the internet. Of course, no way to verify if it's real, and it can easily be a fake that someone wrote up. I don't know how old it is. It (supposedly) is the whole movie, so I should mention "potential spoilers."

Fake or real, it's worth reading for the laughs:

Reed is a genius convenience store clerk with Ben. Reed's parents don't care about him, and Ben's dad is abusive. They're good friends and have each other's backs. Reed writes a paper for community college on teleportation that attracts the attention of Dr. Franklin Storm, CEO of the Baxter Building research center.

Storm has a son, Johnny, and an adoptive daughter, Sue, whose father, Storm's old partner, died in an experiment gone wrong. Johnny and Sue are party kids, and Sue is particularly disdainful of science. Reed and Sue don't get along at first.

Victor Doomashev is a anti-social Eastern European computer programmer and hacktivist who calls himself "Doom". He hates the 1%, particularly Storm, whom he claims corrupts science for profit.

Storm uses Reed's paper to complete some equations on a machine to access another dimension, the N-Zone. Reed invites Ben to watch the machine being turned on. Sue and Johnny are also there. Doom manages to hack into the Baxter Building's servers and use a computer virus to damage the machine, which explodes. Reed, Sue, Johnny and Ben are exposed to otherwordly energy and become mutants with powers that they can't control.

Storm takes them to the Baxter Building and creates containment suits for their powers. They begin to train. Reed and Storm also begin developing a way to revert the accident. Sue blames Reed for everything, but they eventually become friends and then a couple. Ben can switch off his powers when he's not in danger. Johnny changes colors based on heat intensity, and Sue has some borderline telekinetic thing. Reed is pretty much Reed.

Doom finds out that the four have acquired powers and becomes angry it's not him, so he comes up with a plan to break into the Baxter Building to access the N-Zone through the rebuild machine. As a distraction, he reprograms a bunch of stolen military drones, the "Doombots", to attack the building. The four come together as a team for the first time and save people.

Doom activates the machine and gets technopathy powers or something, basically energy blasts and making machines obey to him, and a fight ensues. The machine goes critical, and, in order to prevent it from exploding and destroying the city, the four push into it and Storm shuts it off.

There's a countdown before it reaches critical mass. Inside the N-Zone, the four battle Doom again, and manage to leave him trapped there after he disfigures himself soaking up too much power. The Four manage to escape, but Ben gets the blunt of it to protect Reed and can't switch back.

The machine is destroyed, Doom is gone, the four have learned to work as a team, and Reed vows to find a cure for Ben. And it ends there.