iPhone... Who's buying it?

[DrinkMore]

Originally Posted by Filterlab

Sorry to say this, but that is the most absurd, one dimensional and unsubstantiated comment I've ever heard made about Mac.

I can take it that you've never owned / used one.

No its not. I have to agree with him. I have used the osX interface and well.. I installed it on my pc and after install I was like ok.. what now. It looked purddy, but that was about it. It lacked beefyness like my windows machine. Its focus was on how well it looked - not how well it worked.

I give apple for designing things that look good and operate smoothly. But for practicality - they just dont make it. They design usable art and in return - that art looks like crap after it has been used. It just can't take everyday beatings.

IE - the ipod screen.

I think the iPhone looks good and has some cool features - but like some here - I use my phone to talk 90% of the time. I dont need a phone to do anything else other than talk. I do some txting and pic messaging but mostly, just talking and thats the way I like it

600 bux for a phone. Eek, no way!

[ps3andlovinit]

Originally Posted by eat_me_cool

A phone is a lot more complex and difficult to get right over a simple toy like the ipod.

Your right. That would explain why the HTC is apparently so bad. MS couldn't get a simple toy like the Zune right so what chance did they really have of getting something as complex as a phone correct. Given the WinMobile OS is generic they have no chance of matching the tight Apple integration between hardware and software.

[Filterlab]

Originally Posted by DrinkMore

I installed it on my pc...

Ok. I run Mac OS X on a Mac and it works very well, better in fact than any other OS I've used.

Context; my works PC, which is a substantially more powerful computer than my home Mac, has crashed 152 times this year (yes I keep a log). So far since I bought my iMac, iTunes has 'quit unexpectedly' once - that's it.

Then there's viruses, spyware etc etc etc. Beefy? No, flawed.

[Aaron]

I'm thinking about getting one, but if Apple releases a MacBook Pro with a Blu-ray dive, then I won't. I'm starting to do web design for some local businesses, so I may be able to get a few grand before summers over.

[DrinkMore]

Originally Posted by Filterlab

Ok. I run Mac OS X on a Mac and it works very well, better in fact than any other OS I've used.

Context; my works PC, which is a substantially more powerful computer than my home Mac, has crashed 152 times this year (yes I keep a log). So far since I bought my iMac, iTunes has 'quit unexpectedly' once - that's it.

Then there's viruses, spyware etc etc etc. Beefy? No, flawed.

Dude, before you even say I am an Apple hater - I like their iPods and will probably buy their latest one (waiting for a widescreen version).

I am tired of hearing the crap that you just posted. Let me point you to something that will answer your question for you.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gFAJDbV9Vfs

Also, if your PC has crashed 152 times in a year - you have a shitty IT department, a crappy machine, or you really don't know what a "crash" is.

Anyways, enough said.

[Zvi]

Originally Posted by Blu-Ray Buckeye

How many poorly made products does Apple make? Hmmm. Not many. You may like the HTC better but let's not be dumb.

AppleTV for one. It is nothing impressive or even worthy compared to other mediacenters. Even with 160gb HDD upgrade which is rather a ripoff, charging that much extra for 100gb.
Anyway, for me iPhone is too bulky. And I dont' really need phone stuffed with extra features like digicam, which is no good (as a digicam) anyway.

I'd much rather have iPhoneNano w/o extras

[Aaron]

Originally Posted by DrinkMore

Also, if your PC has crashed 152 times in a year - you have a shitty IT department, a crappy machine, or you really don't know what a "crash" is.

Anyways, enough said.

Speaking of PC crashes. My laptop won't boot. I had to call Gateway and their sending me a restore disc. Damn.

[ps3andlovinit]

Originally Posted by DrinkMore

Dude, before you even say I am an Apple hater - I like their iPods and will probably buy their latest one (waiting for a widescreen version).

I am tired of hearing the crap that you just posted. Let me point you to something that will answer your question for you.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gFAJDbV9Vfs

Also, if your PC has crashed 152 times in a year - you have a shitty IT department, a crappy machine, or you really don't know what a "crash" is.

Anyways, enough said.

To me it's a question of relativity..Apples overall are just way more stable and just "work" better than Windows for us at home...kids are the worst abusers of systems and the iMac has been a godsend compared to our previous windows box.

I just don't have time/desire to put up with being that IT dept anymore. Our work uses Thinkpads which are some the best/nicest laptops you will find..but it crashes much more than our macbook..despite my hardware being far better than the macbook.

One of my major gripes is the *need* to re-install windows every so often or it just slows down to a crawl over time. Crap you just don't have to put up with on the Apple.

After seeing it all the Thinkpad with OS/X would be the perfect laptop for me...but I will end up with Linux instead.

MS has just become an abusive partner that I have no desire to continue supporting anymore.

[Filterlab]

Originally Posted by DrinkMore

I am tired of hearing the crap that you just posted.

I'm not surprised as PC users must hear it a lot! LOL!

Oh, a crash: Where a program stops running its function and responding to the rest of the system. Nope, don't know what one of those is.

BTW, the machines are brand new last November and absolutely top of the line.

Originally Posted by ps3andlovinit

MS has just become an abusive partner that I have no desire to continue supporting anymore.

Couldn't have said it better myself.

**EDIT** Actually, I can't be bothered.

[eat_me_cool]

Originally Posted by Blu-Ray Buckeye

History proves you wrong to the point of absurdity. Cell phones have been stable for many years, while digital media players were extremely flaky until iPod came along. The defect rate for MP3 players was unreal, which has never been true for cell phones. Of all of the functions in a PDA, Blackberry or iPhone... the phone is the simplest and been around the longest.

http://www.engadget.com/2007/06/08/w...-its-keyboard/

It seems I not the only one calling the emperor naked. The touch screen keyboard is useless.

Cell phones are not easy, not by a long way, and Apple are a pretty-pretty toy maker for geeks and suckers.

[Weez_Dawg]

Originally Posted by Filterlab

Sorry to say this, but that is the most absurd, one dimensional and unsubstantiated comment I've ever heard made about Mac.

I can take it that you've never owned / used one.

I've used one. Friend had one. All he would ever talk about was how great it was to do video editing and photo stuff. He paid $3000 for it and thought it was the best thing out there, but failed to realize that it was pretty much a 9 month ago computer. Apple marketing is: Apple= cute for females or Apple=cool or the best for males. The only one dimensional unsubstantiated comments I have ever heard really just comes from apple owners. Sorry, I don't chase plastic bags around filming them so I can edit the film on my mac. Like I have said before, the iPhone looks cool and I may get one, but just wait for it. Apple has done alot of great things. I don't think digital media would be even close to where it is today without the iPod(which I own, but it has the typical apple flaws to it that you need hacks to fix.)

[Blu-Ray Buckeye]

Originally Posted by DrinkMore

Dude, before you even say I am an Apple hater - I like their iPods and will probably buy their latest one (waiting for a widescreen version).

I am tired of hearing the crap that you just posted. Let me point you to something that will answer your question for you.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gFAJDbV9Vfs

Also, if your PC has crashed 152 times in a year - you have a shitty IT department, a crappy machine, or you really don't know what a "crash" is.

Anyways, enough said.

I've always had PCs, but dude... face it, PCs crash, freeze or whatever very, very often. How can you ignore one of the most basic facts of computing life? PCs blow, we just deal with it because we're used to it and everyone runs Windows.

[DrinkMore]

Originally Posted by Blu-Ray Buckeye

I've always had PCs, but dude... face it, PCs crash, freeze or whatever very, very often. How can you ignore one of the most basic facts of computing life? PCs blow, we just deal with it because we're used to it and everyone runs Windows.

Im not denying that PCs FREEZE, LOCKUP or act weird. It happens. All I am saying is the systems I work on - dont do that as much as people here like to think. My own personal system - has only done it a few times and thats with Vista. XP - had no problems.

Crash is being thrown around incorrectly. A crash is a system that is no longer capable of booting and all data is lost. Thats a system crash. It is also caused by software. Hardware failure is not considered a system crash. Parts do wear out.

I don't think people realize just exactly what a REAL crash is and be thankfull you never experienced it. Basically - you lose everything. All your digital photos, docs, music, pr0n.. everything gone forever. No way to get it back.


Thankfully, I have never experienced this.

[Blu-Ray Buckeye]

Originally Posted by DrinkMore

Im not denying that PCs FREEZE, LOCKUP or act weird. It happens. All I am saying is the systems I work on - dont do that as much as people here like to think. My own personal system - has only done it a few times and thats with Vista. XP - had no problems.

Crash is being thrown around incorrectly. A crash is a system that is no longer capable of booting and all data is lost. Thats a system crash. It is also caused by software. Hardware failure is not considered a system crash. Parts do wear out.

I don't think people realize just exactly what a REAL crash is and be thankfull you never experienced it. Basically - you lose everything. All your digital photos, docs, music, pr0n.. everything gone forever. No way to get it back.


Thankfully, I have never experienced this.

My home Dell crashes ~1.5 years ago, right at the end of the warranty and they had to get me a new system. Good deal actually since I had the data backed up to an external drive. Agree he may be using the term crash wrongly, but who cares really? PCs w/ Windows are pretty much a pain in the ass for the average user. The freezing is really far beyond acceptable at this point in the tech curve.

PC has a better business model... not a better product.

[Weez_Dawg]

Originally Posted by Blu-Ray Buckeye

I've always had PCs, but dude... face it, PCs crash, freeze or whatever very, very often. How can you ignore one of the most basic facts of computing life? PCs blow, we just deal with it because we're used to it and everyone runs Windows.

I've had my PC running XP for over 3 years and it doesn't freeze or crash.

[Blu-Ray Buckeye]

Originally Posted by Weez_Dawg

LOL, nice. I am just sick and tired of hearing how great a Mac is. My last comment was childish I am apologize to you all for that.

Oh, by the way, I am married and I do have hope to have kids as my wife is two months pregnant.

I never said the Mac was great and have never owned one. Need to read. Just said PCs have more issues than the should at this point in the tech timeline... and Vista is really not excusable. Earlier I had argued that Apple makes some very good products such as iPod. Haters are not useful in debates becaus etheir judgment is clouded.

[Filterlab]

W'oh! Getting a touch harsh here.

I like Macs - simple as that. I find them more stable than MS.

However, when my works PC isn't crashing it performs all required administrative tasks ok.

Man, imagine the comments that would get thrown if we had nothing in common! LOL!

[eat_me_cool]

Originally Posted by Blu-Ray Buckeye

Good, you hate Apple - I'm sure your mom is very proud. So what? Your comments are childish and blatantly false. Perfecting the digital media player was not an easy feat. Many, many companies tried for years and failed continually. AAPL has made billions now w/ iPod. If it was a simple toy then why wouldn't anyone else be able to compete. Ah, because you are wrong, narrowminded and unable to fully understand the big picture. Yes, that's it.

1 reviewer wonders if the touch screen is an issue... oh no! Here's a clue, most reviews seem to hate the PS3 despite its technical superiority in almost every way. Doesn't mean they'll be right in the long term. Apple, Sony and Microsoft are all companies that peopel love to hate.

While you are clearly biased, I am clearly unbiased as I have already stated above that I will NOT get an iPhone because my company already pays for my Blackberry.

I've got a phone with a touch screen that I can use for dialling. It rubbish, I pull-out the keypad when I have to type or dial.

No amount of bull**** from Apple is going to over come that the touch screen has no tactile feed back. Phones need to be used one handed, two hands and two eyes are needed for the Apple. Thats crap I'm afraid.

I'm talking from personal experience of using a touch screen, its not a technological marvel - its an irritating gimmick.

Why is the subject of Apple's computers and operating systems being brought up. This is a completely different product, one which Apple have no previous experience in. The IPhone is NOT an IPod.

Look at an example of poor software on a phone - look at MS. MS have no idea how to write a real time operating system. I don't think they even know what it means. Just because they have years of experience doesn't mean they know what they are doing.

[Weez_Dawg]

Originally Posted by Blu-Ray Buckeye

I never said the Mac was great and have never owned one. Need to read. Just said PCs have more issues than the should at this point in the tech timeline... and Vista is really not excusable. Earlier I had argued that Apple makes some very good products such as iPod. Haters are not useful in debates becaus etheir judgment is clouded.

It is true that haters are not useful in a debate, but fanboys are no help either, but as most debates worldwide go, one side is just a bunch of haters and the other side is full of fanboys. Sorry for my previous comment, like I said it was childish. I own a iPod too and if the iPhone keeps all its promises, I might own that too. Mac right now is out of the question. The mac has made leaps and bounds in the past few years, I give them that.

[Aztec_MC]

I wanted to get this phone, but $599 is WAY too much for a phone, plus you have to sign a 2-year contract..with AT&T... What kind of deal is that??

I'd rather buy another PS3.