Early Blu-rays that may have playback issues (Criterion, Well Go USA, etc.)

[Freeza]

Originally Posted by AgentOrange

That seems to be a "you" problem though.

If you take into account the Criterions pressed in the factory in question but not on their replacement list yet, then between those and the Well Gos affected I have close to that amount as well. It's not a "you" problem as in he did something wrong/stored his discs poorly, it's only that high because he purchased numerous discs in the faulty run. I'd hardly call that a "you" problem.

[Freeza]

Originally Posted by AKORIS

then there has to be some reason your discs have gone bad.... that's such a high number that something has to be up

We figured it out months ago, there are bad pressing plant runs. IFPI #s are your friend where it comes to identifying them.

[Freeza]

Originally Posted by AgentOrange

The "wormraper problem" is that he seems to have all of the bad discs. Perhaps he lives in a tropical rainforest?

And there's the reason you're being labeled a troll. You were pointed in the direction of the explanation for the disc failures, yet you just keep throwing blame towards Wormraper. The only thing he's guilty of is purchasing the affected Criterion and Well Go titles at or around release, therefore, unbeknownst to him or anyone else at the time, ensuring the discs were of the faulty batch. It's really not that hard to grasp.

[NLScavenger]

Originally Posted by Torrente

Let's just say that, if it's a QOL disc, then you have more chances for it to be affected.
Usually it's written on the inner ring on the data side.

The IFPI pressing codes that are almost unreadable, inscribed on the plastic ring, usually begins with LY** followed by 2 numbers (24, 25, 04, 05 etc).

http://www.musik-sammler.de/wiki/ind...8CDs_/_DVDs%29



But it's very easy:
- 95% of the M6 Video, Wild Side, MEP, UGC, Pathé and EuropaCorp are manufactured by QOL.
- 80% of the TF1 Video and Aventi discs are too.
- And the Besson titles plus OSS 117, Crimson Rivers, JCVD and several others from Gaumont are also manufactured by QOL.



There are only 4 plants in France, it's why the problem seems so important.
The more you have french discs in your collection, the more you could be potentially affected. I have 5000 discs (french and imports) so it's normal I would have more discs affected than others although all of them are stored with a lot of care (all under plastic protection etc like in a shop), at stable temperature.
Right now I have something like ~35 discs affected (1 Well GO, 6 Criterions, 3 Lionsgate, 1 Blue Underground, the rest is french). It's not the end of the world, yes. Still some of them are OOP and can't be replaced, others cost quiet some $$$ now or are not easy to find cheap new and sealed anymore.
Plus, there shouldn't be such problems with them and it's the main issue.

I would like to add that some of the French Fox/Pathe discs are also distributed in nearby countries. The Dutch release of Fantastic Mr Fox is a IFPI LY24 disc.

EDIT: Nevermind, IFPI LY24 comes from a Sony DADC factory in Austria. Might not be affected.

[Freeza]

Originally Posted by AgentOrange

Is that where he's from?

Desert dust? Aliens? Who knows. There's got to be some explanation for his apparant bad luck with blu-rays.

There is, he supported companies that used a faulty pressing plant.

[jscoggins]

Originally Posted by Freeza

And there's the reason you're being labeled a troll. You were pointed in the direction of the explanation for the disc failures, yet you just keep throwing blame towards Wormraper. The only thing he's guilty of is purchasing the affected Criterion and Well Go titles at or around release, therefore, unbeknownst to him or anyone else at the time, ensuring the discs were of the faulty batch. It's really not that hard to grasp.

+1

Exactly!

[AgentOrange]

Originally Posted by Freeza

And there's the reason you're being labeled a troll. You were pointed in the direction of the explanation for the disc failures, yet you just keep throwing blame towards Wormraper. The only thing he's guilty of is purchasing the affected Criterion and Well Go titles at or around release, therefore, unbeknownst to him or anyone else at the time, ensuring the discs were of the faulty batch. It's really not that hard to grasp.

LOL. I'm well aware of the bad presses, and followed this thread at the very beginning. Another guy that can't be bothered to read the relevant posts before going on the offensive. Not saying you had to go back through everything, but if you read back through the last couple pages that apparantly offended you so, you might not realize many posts were moved from another thread. Why mods do this I have no idea - even if these posts are closer to this topic than the other, the entire context of conversations is completely different. Like I said I did not originally come into this thread to dispute bad discs or to "troll" - I had long moved on from this thread (as far as being overly concerned) until this chain of discussion was moved into here.

I only made that joking comment towards wormraper because he tends to speak in extreme hyperbole in just about every controversial topic - hence it's a "you" problem. Obviously I was not claiming that he is the only one to experience bad discs, just that it only seems to be "doomsday" for him.

[wormraper]

Originally Posted by AgentOrange

LOL. I'm well aware of the bad presses, and followed this thread at the very beginning. Another guy that can't be bothered to read the relevant posts before going on the offensive. Not saying you had to go back through everything, but if you read back through the last couple pages that apparantly offended you so, you might not realize many posts were moved from another thread. Why mods do this I have no idea - even if these posts are closer to this topic than the other, the entire context of conversations is completely different. Like I said I did not originally come into this thread to dispute bad discs or to "troll" - I had long moved on from this thread (as far as being overly concerned) until this chain of discussion was moved into here.

I only made that joking comment towards wormraper because he tends to speak in extreme hyperbole in just about every controversial topic - hence it's a "you" problem. Obviously I was not claiming that he is the only one to experience bad discs, just that it only seems to be "doomsday" for him.

riggggggggggggggght, I always wonder how speaking with exact figures and stats ends up being hyperbole. I never speak ANYTHING I'm not deadly serious on. I admit the lionsgate failures have been a big issue, even though I only have one, but I take them VERY seriously, just because I don't have those discs doesn't mean I don't consider them paramount importance. The reason this issue is so startling is than in the last few months we've found more failed discs on the market than all 7 or 8 of Blu-rays existence before this COMBINED. BUUUUUUT if someone wants treat failing batches as just "meh" than more power to them.

[Freeza]

Originally Posted by AgentOrange

LOL. I'm well aware of the bad presses, and followed this thread at the very beginning. Another guy that can't be bothered to read the relevant posts before going on the offensive. Not saying you had to go back through everything, but if you read back through the last couple pages that apparantly offended you so, you might not realize many posts were moved from another thread. Why mods do this I have no idea - even if these posts are closer to this topic than the other, the entire context of conversations is completely different. Like I said I did not originally come into this thread to dispute bad discs or to "troll" - I had long moved on from this thread (as far as being overly concerned) until this chain of discussion was moved into here.

I only made that joking comment towards wormraper because he tends to speak in extreme hyperbole in just about every controversial topic - hence it's a "you" problem. Obviously I was not claiming that he is the only one to experience bad discs, just that it only seems to be "doomsday" for him.

Not offended, and I read all of them, even the ones where you stated you had come from another thread by way of a mod move (I completely agree that it's a poor decision to move comments and make this thread a catch all). But some of those posts included other posters explaining why the discs were bad, that it wasn't through anything wormraper had any control over, and to those you still responded with quips that blamed wormraper, which even if taken as hyperbolic jest, the direction you were leading in them could only be read as you didn't know why the discs were faulty, or just plain ignoring the explanations (ie; trolling).

[AgentOrange]

Originally Posted by wormraper

riggggggggggggggght, I always wonder how speaking with exact figures and stats ends up being hyperbole. I never speak ANYTHING I'm not deadly serious on. I admit the lionsgate failures have been a big issue, even though I only have one, but I take them VERY seriously, just because I don't have those discs doesn't mean I don't consider them paramount importance. The reason this issue is so startling is than in the last few months we've found more failed discs on the market than all 7 or 8 of Blu-rays existence before this COMBINED. BUUUUUUT if someone wants treat failing batches as just "meh" than more power to them.

I have a number of these bad discs from the bad plants, I wouldn't say I'm "meh" about them, I'm aware of them thanks to this thread. Haven't had any of those specific discs fail on me yet, but I'm at least aware of them and if it fails eventually - I will know why. Fortunately for me, at least half of mine from the Criterion list were also from different pressing plants - so I had less to worry about.

I'm just not freaked out about the overall failure rate of blu-rays, which is what was being discussed in that "UHD" thread. People were pondering the potential lifespan of UHD disc. Based on my experience, despite reports here and there of bad batches, it's simply a "case by case" issue at this point - just like it was for DVD. Ultimately, even if you claim 50 bad discs, that's still less than 2% failure from your own collection - and that 2% is probably a variance on the high end if we could theoretically sample of the entire universe of blu-ray discs.

[wormraper]

Originally Posted by AgentOrange

I have a number of these bad discs from the bad plants, I wouldn't say I'm "meh" about them, I'm aware of them thanks to this thread. Haven't had any of those specific discs fail on me yet, but I'm at least aware of them and if it fails eventually - I will know why. Fortunately for me, at least half of mine from the Criterion list were also from different pressing plants - so I had less to worry about.

I'm just not freaked out about the overall failure rate of blu-rays, which is what was being discussed in that "UHD" thread. People were pondering the potential lifespan of UHD disc. Based on my experience, despite reports here and there of bad batches, it's simply a "case by case" issue at this point - just like it was for DVD. Ultimately, even if you claim 50 bad discs, that's still less than 2% failure from your own collection - and that 2% is probably a variance on the high end if we could theoretically sample of the entire universe of blu-ray discs.

yeah, the whole "blu-ray is on the verge of failure" is a bit extreme, I've seen some of the rantings in the UHD thread myself.. All I"M saying is that it's DEFINITELY something to worry about.

[I KEEL YOU]

Members on this forum also need to sign the French petition:

https://www.change.org/p/garantie-blu-ray

Anyone who has imported those French discs could be affected and the petition could have an effect on future releases from France.

[jscoggins]

Originally Posted by AgentOrange

Fortunately for me, at least half of mine from the Criterion list were also from different pressing plants - so I had less to worry about.

So you admit that you are a troll.

[mar3o]

Originally Posted by Clark Kent

If you were a heavy Blu-ray buyer between 2006 and 2010, multiple BDs have already failed. Those are facts, unfortunately. They are mostly limited to specific pressings or certain manufacturers. Remember that half of all HD DVDs don't even play anymore. It would have been a disaster for Hollywood if that format had won the format war.

I actually didn't know that about HD-DVD. Wow. What happened for those discs to fail?

[jsz1002]

Originally Posted by mar3o

I actually didn't know that about HD-DVD. Wow. What happened for those discs to fail?

I must have bought the lucky half because all of my HD-DVDs still play.

[jscoggins]

Originally Posted by mar3o

I actually didn't know that about HD-DVD. Wow. What happened for those discs to fail?

Poor quality control. Plus, the BD/DVD flipper discs had technical problems, too.

[yellowfirst]

Has anyone shipped the defective discs lately to Criterion? Do we ship all together and how long will it takes for us to receive the replacements?

[fdm]

Originally Posted by yellowfirst

Has anyone shipped the defective discs lately to Criterion? Do we ship all together and how long will it takes for us to receive the replacements?

Shipped all of mine a few days ago, they got them today. Will see how long it takes to get them back. (If they're in stock, I expect about a week or so. Providing the flash sale doesn't get in the way.)

(edit: A day later I had a gift certificate emailed to me this afternoon (for the Eraserhead swap), so fingers crossed everything ships out today or tomorrow...)

[jscoggins]

Image has sent out replacements for the Broadway version of Into the Woods:

Originally Posted by nearjm

Hi all,

I'm the guy who discovered that the disc was mono in the first place, so I guess it's appropriate that I also cracked the code for getting a replacement. Like the rest of you, I never heard back from Image after sending multiple emails to the address Michael Reuben provided. So I did a little research and found the specific email address for an Image/RLJ sales manager. I wrote to him directly and got these instructions almost instantly:

Please send the back cover (no copies please) of the jacket-including UPC barcode to:

RLJ Entertainment
Attn: CUSTOMER SERVICE
6320 Canoga Avenue, 8th Floor
Woodland Hills, CA 91367

Please include a copy of this e-mail and the return address of the replacement disc.
PLEASE PRINT LEGIBLY!!!

You will receive a brand new sealed copy.

Thank you.

I can't swear that this will work--I sent my mailing to RLJ on Friday, so obviously I haven't received the replacement disc yet. But it's a little progress at least!

[I KEEL YOU]

Originally Posted by mar3o

I actually didn't know that about HD-DVD. Wow. What happened for those discs to fail?

I think it's most if not all Warner HD-DVDs that are affected. The others are fine. I believe ordinary Warner DVDs made in those years have become unplayable as well.