Panasonic Plasma ON SALE!!!

[rghuxley]

Originally Posted by bg182

You won't see a difference between the two in the store because they are both being fed 720. Of course the higher end modle is better better, but the lower end model is a great tv and its at a great Price. Good Find.

When I went to BB I asked them to hook up a bd-30 to both tvs (the 1080 and 720) and I saw no difference. The sales person said it really makes a difference at 55" or greater. Either way, you are right, they are both great tvs and a great price at that. I absolutely love my Panny and have had 3 friends go out and buy them after we watched Live Free or Die Hard in Blu. Panny makes a great plasma and if you are on a budget, you can get a really nice one with a large screen.

Happy shopping!

[dobyblue]

Originally Posted by rghuxley

When I went to BB I asked them to hook up a bd-30 to both tvs (the 1080 and 720) and I saw no difference. The sales person said it really makes a difference at 55" or greater. Either way, you are right, they are both great tvs and a great price at that. I absolutely love my Panny and have had 3 friends go out and buy them after we watched Live Free or Die Hard in Blu. Panny makes a great plasma and if you are on a budget, you can get a really nice one with a large screen.

Happy shopping!

The sales person didn't know what they were talking about.

1080p can make a difference on a 22" TV and it can also make NO difference on a 73" TV - it all depends on the viewing distance.

[rghuxley]

Originally Posted by dobyblue

The sales person didn't know what they were talking about.

1080p can make a difference on a 22" TV and it can also make NO difference on a 73" TV - it all depends on the viewing distance.

What it comes down to is your viewing pleasure and your pocket book. I humbly refer to the following sticky on this forum:

Originally Posted by Beta Man

This shows size, resolution, and seating distance. This helps if you're one of the people who want to take advantage on a big 720P at a steal of a price. Let me know what you think.

http://www.soundandvisionmag.com/ass...alk2_large.jpg

If your [combination of screen size and] seating distance is less than the recommended distance, you're sitting too close. That is, a TV of that format and size can't provide all the detail your eye is capable of seeing at that distance, and the picture will look "softer".

If your screen-size/distance is more than recommended distance, your eyes will be saturated with detail before you reach the resolution limit of an image in that format. Which mean a TV can produce more detail than you can actually make out at that distance, and you have to move closer to see more details.


For DVD (480p) source (red line), recommended sitting distance to see full resolution for each screen size is..

20 inch TV= 7 feet
26 inch TV= 9 feet
30 inch TV= 10.5 feet
34 inch TV= 12 feet
40 inch TV= 14 feet
50 inch TV= 17.5 feet
60 inch TV= 21 feet.

For 720P HD sources (dark green line), recommended sitting distance is..

20 inch TV= 4 feet
26 inch TV= 5 feet
30 inch TV= 6 feet
34 inch TV= 6.7 feet
40 inch TV= 8 feet
50 inch TV= 10 feet
60 inch TV= 12 feet

For 1080i HD sources (lite green line), the recommended sitting distance is..

20 inch TV= 2.8 feet
26 inch TV= 3.5 feet
30 inch TV= 4 feet
34 inch TV= 4.5 feet
40 inch TV= 5.3 feet
50 inch TV= 6.5 feet
60 inch TV= 8 feet

Not everyone has the money for a 1080p and I think there is all this unwarranted hype on the 1080 when someone can still get a fantastic HD pic on a 768 plasma and still have money left over to buy a Blu-Ray player.

The 1080p was set for $1599. If that's all someones budget is and they dont have a BD player, hey why not get the Panny 768 for $1100 and get a BD-30 with some of your remaining money and still have a great HD movie experience.

The picture is great on both with little difference that I can tell. I am not an expert. I am just a consumer who does have a picky eye and I didnt seen enough detail in the 1080p to make me spend almost $500-$800 more. Just my humble opinion.

BTW, my friends thought my tv was a 1080p and were shocked that is wasn't when I told them it was a 768. One of my friends thought my tv looked better than his 1080 plasma and I had to show him my manual to prove it was a 768.

The new Panny 50px80u is a solid plasma and for the money, if you're on a budget, is a great buy.

[dobyblue]

Originally Posted by rghuxley

What it comes down to is your viewing pleasure and your pocket book. I humbly refer to the following sticky on this forum:

That chart backs up exactly what I was saying - the salesperson you talked about doesn't have a clue if he thinks you need a 55" screen to enjoy 1080p.

I guess he hasn't seen my 24" 1920x1200 monitor eh? You can appreciate the differences between 720p and 1080p very much so there.

As for the pocket book comment - I completely disagree with that too. Plasma right now costs less than LCD, so you can spend LESS on a 1080p plasma from Panasonic that you will on a 1080p LCD from Sharp, Samsung or Sony and with a 1080p source on a DMP-BD50 that TH-42PZ800U will knock the socks off the Panasonic 768p sets.

Again, if you're going to be sitting 15ft away from your tv and you're buying a 42", there's very little reason to get a 1080p.

If you're sitting 5ft away there's plenty of reasons to get one. A difference of $200-$300 should not be an issue for someone looking at spending over $1,000 on a TV.

Originally Posted by rghuxley

Not everyone has the money for a 1080p and I think there is all this unwarranted hype on the 1080

It's not unwarranted hype at all. It's simply misunderstood by so many people. Some people think they're watching 1080i just because they have a 720p/1080i tv, not understanding that plasma, LCD and FRPTV are all progressive panels incapable of displaying 1080i.

Some people don't understand the difference between panel resolution, source resolution and native resolution. It's not hype, it's just not explained well enough for most people to take advantage of it.



THX's recommended viewing distances for 1080p are even more stringent.

It's one thing to post a deal, which is great, it's another to suggest that 1080p doesn't matter. Don't expect to not get called on it and you've posted a chart that contradicts what you're saying anyway.

[rghuxley]

Originally Posted by dobyblue

That chart backs up exactly what I was saying - the salesperson you talked about doesn't have a clue if he thinks you need a 55" screen to enjoy 1080p.

I guess he hasn't seen my 24" 1920x1200 monitor eh? You can appreciate the differences between 720p and 1080p very much so there.

As for the pocket book comment - I completely disagree with that too. Plasma right now costs less than LCD, so you can spend LESS on a 1080p plasma from Panasonic that you will on a 1080p LCD from Sharp, Samsung or Sony and with a 1080p source on a DMP-BD50 that TH-42PZ800U will knock the socks off the Panasonic 768p sets.

My entire point was about viewing distance and chart is if your viewing distance and size is going to be the same then go for the 768 if there is no noticeable difference, which I said I didnt see one. If you do, great. If you have the extra money to fork over, then have at it just so you can have a marginal difference between the two. To me, and this is only my opinion, I did not think the difference was that great for me to spend the extra money.

And you and I will have to agree to disagree then. Everyone has a different budget and viewing experience and if you are able to get a great picture and high-def viewing experience without breaking your pocket book then that's the way to go. It's stupid to spend a ton of money on something and then have nothing left over just to say you have the latest and greatest.

My entire theater setup cost me less than a top of the line 1080p LCDs. All items were brand new and no refurbs. No my system is not top-of-the-line, but it does kick ass when playing movies. The walls shake. It sounds great. Looks great. And to me, that's what it's all about.

Panny 50" plasma tv - $1,399
BD-30 - $400
Onkyo 605 - $500
Bello mountable flat-panel tv stand - $300
Yamaha speakers - $500
Onkyo skw-204 powered sub - $100

[dobyblue]

There is plenty more difference between the TH-50PX80U and TH-50PZ800U than just native panel resolution.

You've assessed the difference between two TV's based on the way they are set-up (or lack of actually) on a showroom floor which is nothing like how they will look set-up in your HT area after you've given them even the most marginal of calibrations.

Of course we disagree - that's what forums are all about. I think Panasonic make the best television on the planet per dollar spent, second only to Pioneer overall, but I do think there is a big difference between the PX and 800PZ series when set-up properly, the native resolution least overall.

[dobyblue]

Originally Posted by rghuxley

All items were brand new and no refurbs.

What's wrong with refurbs? I'm trying to get the Denon 5308CI refurbished for $2,500 sometime before the end of the year - it comes and goes quickly.

I can't pay $5,500 for it, hell I can't really pay $2,500 for it, but I'll break the bank and risk being in the doghouse for a few weeks for something I know I'm not going to upgrade for ten years.

[rghuxley]

Originally Posted by dobyblue

What's wrong with refurbs? I'm trying to get the Denon 5308CI refurbished for $2,500 sometime before the end of the year - it comes and goes quickly.

I can't pay $5,500 for it, hell I can't really pay $2,500 for it, but I'll break the bank and risk being in the doghouse for a few weeks for something I know I'm not going to upgrade for ten years.

The only reason I said these aren't refurbs is that I have seen too many people knock on others for saying they had refurbs. I guess there is this bad conotation that a refurb is sub-par. I agree with you about the Pioneer. I would have loved to have bought the Pioneer, but my bank couldnt afford that plus everything else I wanted.

Also I do agree with you about the newer Pannys vs. the older ones.

See we do agree. All is well Good luck on getting your Denon. Make sure you can at least hook it up in the doghouse you'll be in over those few weeks as well.