Star Wars: Episode VII - The Force Awakens (USE SPOILER TAGS!)

[tezster]

Originally Posted by Terminated

I bet that those guys dressed in black are all sith type war council or regime.

This picture reminds me of certain promo shots for the Hunger Games with President Snow in the Capitol (monochromatic white, strong red highlights).

[BozQ]

Let's just approach this with an open mind. The story can head in so many directions after Lucasfilm dropping all previous EU material. Have faith that JJ Abrams will deliver a good Star Wars movie.

[Scarface32]

Originally Posted by Terminated

I bet that those guys dressed in black are all sith type war council or regime.

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Originally Posted by Terminated

Easy Chewie....

All Anakin did was destroy the Emperor that's all, and at that time he was the only Sith in the public's eye there could have been others that stayed out of view.

It's been what 30yrs??? do you actually think that there could be no other Sith lurking around in the galaxy???

The Sith live by the rule of 2, there can only ever be 2 people at a time allowed to call themselves "Sith" everyone else are "Dark Jedi" It's possible that new Sith have taken the place of the old ones, but only 2.

[Ray Jackson]

As much I loved the second trailer, or teaser or whatever, those things can be so misleading as far as how good the film will be. I remember seeing the Man of Steel trailers and thinking to myself "There's absolutely no way this thing isn't going to be awesome."

And I was greatly disappointed when I actually saw the movie in the theater.

Therefor I remain cautiously optimistic.

...the key word being cautiously.

[kobol]

Originally Posted by Scarface32

The Sith live by the rule of 2, there can only ever be 2 people at a time allowed to call themselves "Sith" everyone else are "Dark Jedi" It's possible that new Sith have taken the place of the old ones, but only 2.

Why only 2 sith ? I'm not overly familiar with E.U. stuff but Knights of the Old Republic (x-box game, which I found to be awesome) had many Sith. I know the EU has been thrown out by lucasfilm, but why limit the sith to only two (when there are or were many Jedi), it seems to me to cut down on story possibilities and characters? Sorry to ramble.

[BozQ]

Originally Posted by kobol

Why only 2 sith ? I'm not overly familiar with E.U. stuff but Knights of the Old Republic (x-box game, which I found to be awesome) had many Sith. I know the EU has been thrown out by lucasfilm, but why limit the sith to only two (when there are or were many Jedi), it seems to me to cut down on story possibilities and characters? Sorry to ramble.

The rule of two is still Canon. This is confirmed in one of the final episodes in The Clone Wars animated series.

[Col. Zombie]

Originally Posted by JamesBenjamin

This ^^. He did bring balance to the force.

Then its quiet for awhile, and then "awakens" and now we have all these new Force Users running around in the new movie.

Originally Posted by mwynn

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Chosen_One/Canon

This act led to his own death, destroying the Sith and restoring balance.

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Chosen_One/Canon

But he didn't actually destroy the Sith. It appears that they're back?

That's just it.

So there's this major thousand year old prophecy that this guy would come "bring balance to the force," and it is portrayed as this MAJOR deal, and this huge prophecy, and its crescendo is only about some 30 year stalemate?

That sounds kind of like a big let down.

[wormraper]

Originally Posted by Col. Zombie

But he didn't actually destroy the Sith. It appears that they're back?

That's just it.

So there's this major thousand year old prophecy that this guy would come "bring balance to the force," and it is portrayed as this MAJOR deal, and this huge prophecy, and its crescendo is only about some 30 year stalemate?

That sounds kind of like a big let down.

he did bring balance to the force. a balance means just that... an even side. the jedi all thought he meant to wipe out the Sith and create some peaceful reign. the problem was that the Jedi has pretty much wiped out the Sith. there's no balance, just an uneven proportion of light to Darkness. the prophecy actually meant that Anakin would bring down the Jedi so the sith and jedi were on even footing finally. loosening the control that the Jedi had.

that's the whole thing. the Jedi prophecy that was made out to be a big deal was their own BLINDNESS to the true meaning of balance. it was the sick joke of the series

[tilallr1]

Originally Posted by Scarface32

The Sith live by the rule of 2, there can only ever be 2 people at a time allowed to call themselves "Sith" everyone else are "Dark Jedi" It's possible that new Sith have taken the place of the old ones, but only 2.

In expanded universe that hasn't always been the case. Maybe the rule of 2 is gone. I would love an army of Sith warriors.

[wormraper]

Originally Posted by tilallr1

In expanded universe that hasn't always been the case. Maybe the rule of 2 is gone.

the rule of 2 was never stated as only TWO Sith in the galaxy at any one time. the rule of two very well could have meant only one master, and one apprentice, no multiple apprentices etc...people just took it as 2 TOTAL for some reason.

there are whole novels where the Sith were LITERALLY a full empire of force users, following the rule of one master/ one apprentice

[dvdmike]

Originally Posted by tilallr1

In expanded universe that hasn't always been the case. Maybe the rule of 2 is gone. I would love an army of Sith warriors.

None of that is cannon anymore.

[Col. Zombie]

Originally Posted by wormraper

he did bring balance to the force. a balance means just that... an even side. the jedi all thought he meant to wipe out the Sith and create some peaceful reign. the problem was that the Jedi has pretty much wiped out the Sith. there's no balance, just an uneven proportion of light to Darkness. the prophecy actually meant that Anakin would bring down the Jedi so the sith and jedi were on even footing finally. loosening the control that the Jedi had.

that's the whole thing. the Jedi prophecy that was made out to be a big deal was their own BLINDNESS to the true meaning of balance. it was the sick joke of the series

Well, then someone needs to contact Star Wars Wiki and tell them they've got their s**t all wrong.

According to them, his purpose was to destroy the Sith. Oops.

[StingingVelvet]

Originally Posted by Col. Zombie

Wasn't Darth Vader supposed to have been the one who would destroy the Sith? What the f*k was his prophecy about? Seriously, I'm asking, what was his purpose?

Lucas saw it as a six film series with a real ending. Everything from this point on is bolted on to that, so it won't necessarily mesh super well at all times. Yes, Anakin was meant to "bring balance" by ending the Sith for good, unfortunately going the long way around.

[Col. Zombie]

Originally Posted by StingingVelvet

Lucas saw it as a six film series with a real ending. Everything from this point on is bolted on to that, so it won't necessarily mesh super well at all times. Yes, Anakin was meant to "bring balance" by ending the Sith for good...

So there are some clear disagreements going on here.

Some say he was supposed to destroy the Sith... "This act led to his own death, destroying the Sith and restoring balance." http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Chosen_One/Canon

Others, such as wormpaper (no disrespect wormpaper, don't mean to bring you into this) are saying that, "Anakin would bring down the Jedi so the Sith and Jedi were on even footing finally."

Which one is it? Was he supposed to have destroyed the Sith, or not? If so, why does it appear that the Sith are making an appearance again in Episode VII? Shouldn't they have been vanquished, unless the prophecy was truly against the Jedi?

[StingingVelvet]

Originally Posted by Col. Zombie

Which one is it? Was he supposed to have destroyed the Sith, or not? If so, why does it appear that the Sith are making an appearance again in Episode VII? Shouldn't they have been vanquished, unless the prophecy was truly against the Jedi?

I would imagine it is interpretation to some degree, unless the novel adaptations spell it out more clearly. In any case the answer to your later question is simple: it was planned as a six film series, now they are adding on to that. You're asking a question with no real answer.

[Elandyll]

Originally Posted by mwynn

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Chosen_One/Canon

Actually afaik Lucas dealt with the famous "Prophecy" in the Mortis arc, during the 3rd season of Clone Wars.

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Mortis/Canon

During the Clone Wars, the Father drew Anakin Skywalker, Obi-Wan Kenobi, and Ahsoka Tano into the realm.The Father realized that Skywalker was the Chosen One, and that he could maintain the balance of the Force between the two children once the Father died. This led to a struggle between the Force wielders and the three Jedi, culminating in the deaths of all three wielders and the restoration of balance on Mortis.

[Bluyoda]

Originally Posted by StingingVelvet

Lucas saw it as a six film series with a real ending. Everything from this point on is bolted on to that, so it won't necessarily mesh super well at all times. Yes, Anakin was meant to "bring balance" by ending the Sith for good, unfortunately going the long way around.

Bingo.

[coolkev1701]

Originally Posted by Angel Eyes

The one thing that concens me is Carrie Fishers voice and the way she sounds. She sounds nothing like she used to unlike Ford and Hamill.

Yeah, Carrie Fisher has aged the worst of the three. She looks and sounds nothing like Leia did in the original trilogy films. I know it's been 30 years, but damn.

[JamesBenjamin]

Originally Posted by BozQ

The rule of two is still Canon. This is confirmed in one of the final episodes in The Clone Wars animated series.

The "rule of two" is something the Jedi say the Sith have, the Sith have never been shown to actually practice it. Sideous has more than one apprentice at once (Dooku and Maul, while training Anakin) and Dooku has at least two (Ventress and Savage Opress).

Its just an arbitrary rule the Jedi think they know, which the Sith exploit to take advantage of the Jedi.

[JamesBenjamin]

Originally Posted by wormraper

he did bring balance to the force. a balance means just that... an even side. the jedi all thought he meant to wipe out the Sith and create some peaceful reign. the problem was that the Jedi has pretty much wiped out the Sith. there's no balance, just an uneven proportion of light to Darkness. the prophecy actually meant that Anakin would bring down the Jedi so the sith and jedi were on even footing finally. loosening the control that the Jedi had.

that's the whole thing. the Jedi prophecy that was made out to be a big deal was their own BLINDNESS to the true meaning of balance. it was the sick joke of the series

I'll second this. Anakin (and the clones, carrying out order 66) killed all the "light" force users, then Anakin kills the last major Sith (in RotJ) and then there's balance.

If The Force is a natural thing in this universe, it will want balance.