Graphic Novels.

[scweb13]

Originally Posted by fighthefutureofhd

this is true. the examples in the post above mine though are good examples of what constitutes a trade paperback and not a graphic novel. civil war was released back in 2006 as an epic cross over mini-series. the trade paperback does not count as a graphic novel since it was already released in comic book form. look at it this way: a graphic novel is usually a separate story that is outside of the character's comic book. it is something that cant be used in the regular series of comic books and therefore is used as a graphic novel. back in the 80's graphic novels were a way of telling more adult stories without getting in trouble from the comic code. most graphic novels in the 80's couldn't be sold to minors.

If that were the case, then the Watchmen graphic novel couldn't be considered a graphic novel. It was first released in comic book form and had a 12 issue run. I've not heard of one single graphic novel that was not at one time released partly as a comic book.

[X400]

Im surprised no one has mentioned Crisis on Infinite Earths... one of the greatest story sagas in comics

( well for all the hype around it i thought it was just ok i guess it has to do with more of When it came out )

[Eagle_23]

My suggestions if your a Batman fan:

11 Batman: Year One
2- The Man Who Laughs
3- The Long Halloween (ABSOLUTE EDITION, HIGHLY RECOMMENDED)
4- Catwoman: When in Rome
5- Dark Victory
6- Haunted Knight
7- Hush (ABSOLUTE EDITION, HIGHLY RECOMMENDED)
8- The Killing Joke
9- Arkham Asylum
10- The Dark Knight Returns

Oh ya and the current Death of Capt. America collection is real good imo. The 3rd 'volume' is coming out soon so I'd suggest picking up the first 2 as well as Capt' America: Fallen Son.

[katharsis]

V for Vendetta
Watchmen
Preacher
Punisher
Wolverine
Marvel Zombies
Sin City
30 Days of Night
Dark Days

[fighthefutureofhd]

Originally Posted by scweb13

If that were the case, then the Watchmen graphic novel couldn't be considered a graphic novel. It was first released in comic book form and had a 12 issue run. I've not heard of one single graphic novel that was not at one time released partly as a comic book.

um, all the ones i mentioned i mentioned in my list weren't released as comic books first. plus there are many, many more.like the killing joke. and no i don't think the watchmen is a graphic novel if it was released in comic book form first. most graphic novels were not released first in comic book form. if they were they wouldn't be graphic novels then. they would then be trade paperbacks. i could name tons of great ones like a lot of people are doing, but they're not graphic novels. they're trade paperbacks. a trade paperback collects a story together into one book. whereas a graphic novel is one story self contained usually. here's a better description:


graphic novels -


from wikipedia: A graphic novel is a type of comic book, usually with a lengthy and complex storyline similar to those of novels, and often aimed at mature audiences. The term also encompasses comic short story anthologies, and in some cases bound collections of previously published comic book series (more commonly referred to as trade paperbacks).


trade paperbacks -

from wikipedia: In comics, a trade paperback (TPB or simply trade) refers to a collection of stories originally published in comic books, reprinted in book format, usually capturing one story arc from a single title or a series of stories with a connected story arc or common theme from one or more titles. Although trade paperback is actually a publishing term that refers to any book with a flexible cardstock cover which is larger than the standard mass market paperback format, comics fans unfamiliar with that meaning have come to use the term to refer to the type of material traditionally sold in comics shops in that format: collected editions of previously-serialized stories. The term graphic novel is sometimes used interchangeably, but some people maintain that the terms are distinct.




the term graphic novel can be used to describe both a trade paperback and a graphic novel, but there is a distinction. that's how i always saw it anyway.

[scweb13]

Originally Posted by fighthefutureofhd

um, all the ones i mentioned i mentioned in my list weren't released as comic books first. plus there are many, many more.like the killing joke. and no i don't think the watchmen is a graphic novel if it was released in comic book form first. most graphic novels were not released first in comic book form. if they were they wouldn't be graphic novels then. they would then be trade paperbacks. i could name tons of great ones like a lot of people are doing, but they're not graphic novels. they're trade paperbacks. a trade paperback collects a story together into one book. whereas a graphic novel is one story self contained usually. here's a better description:

You just lost your own arguement.
from wiki

Batman: The Killing Joke is an influential one-shot superhero comic book written by Alan Moore and drawn by Brian Bolland, published by DC Comics in 1988.

In 2003, it was reprinted in the trade paperback Across the Universe: The DC Universe Stories of Alan Moore (ISBN 1-4012-0087-7) and was released in a deluxe edition in March 2008.[1] The Deluxe Edition featured new coloring by Brian Bolland, meant to illustrate his original intentions for the book, with more somber, realistic, subdued colors than the intensely colored original.

[fighthefutureofhd]

it wasn't a comic book it was a graphic novel. when it was first released it was on heavier stock paper and looked like a book. the art was nothing like comic books at that time. plus it could never have been released as a comic book. the comics code would have outright banned it. that's why the killing joke was released as a graphic novel. the comics code really doesn't have a whole lot of jurisdiction on graphic novels as they're usually sold only in comic book shops. or they were at the time of the killing joke's release. plus the killing joke couldn't be bought by minors.

[scweb13]

The more I try to really find the difference between Graphic Novels and Trade Paperbacks, the more confusing it gets. The only conclusion I get is that by modern definition, they are the same.

Graphic Novels: a comic with more pages than a single issue comic and is a self-contained story. Examples are Andi Watson's Dumped (Slave Labor Graphics) and Frank Miller’s 300 (Dark Horse Comics).

Trade Paperbacks: these are compilations of single-issues of comics. Single issues of comics are each about 24 pages. Trade paperbacks compile and bind bunches of these single issues together. They typically contain a single "story arc" – a self-contained story within a title, or they are a compilation of issues all written and/or drawn by the same writer or artist. An example of this is Frank Miller's The Dark Knight Returns (DC Comics) or Neil Gaiman's "Sandman" titles (also DC).

Whether you know the difference between a graphic novel and a trade paperback for your collection isn’t really important, unless you want to impress and communicate better with the teenagers in your library. But do note that Library Journal refers to trade paperbacks as graphic novels.

I really don't care what anybody wants to call them. There are some really great ones none the less.

Another one that I like is Planet Hulk.

[fighthefutureofhd]

i never read that one. didn't that run in the hulk comics? i haven't kept up with all the comics lately.

[jkwest]

All of Neil Gaimans...all of them.

[scweb13]

Originally Posted by fighthefutureofhd

i never read that one. didn't that run in the hulk comics? i haven't kept up with all the comics lately.

Collects Incredible Hulk #92-105, Giant-Size Hulk #1, "Mastermind Excello" story from Amazing Fantasy #15, maps, and character designs.