SPECTRE Review Thread

[Elandyll]

[imsounoriginal]

Also, gonna go ahead and second the Luke Evans idea. I recently saw the Great Train Robbery 2-part version with him and Jim Broadbent on Netflix, and immediately he struck me as a good fit for 007. I believe he's also about the right age for taking over after Craig ends.

[StingingVelvet]

Originally Posted by EvaDK

Funny how the gravestones of his long dead parents say '... Bond', if some lame twist should ever materialize that James Bond is actually just a codename given to him, not his actual name.

Please... don't let this great franchise succumb into the realm of stupidity.

The code name theory isn't true, but they could make it true next time if they wanted.

[spectre08]

I would love Idris Elba as Bond, except that I think he's too old to start the role. He's only 4 years younger than Daniel Craig. Assuming the reboot again, like they did when they cast Daniel Craig, he would be far too old to be a recently minted double-O agent. He would be a brilliant bond though, if he'd started 5 years ago.

[Todd Tomorrow]

Originally Posted by spectre08

I would love Idris Elba as Bond, except that I think he's too old to start the role. He's only 4 years younger than Daniel Craig. Assuming the reboot again, like they did when they cast Daniel Craig, he would be far too old to be a recently minted double-O agent. He would be a brilliant bond though, if he'd started 5 years ago.

Black don't crack.

[spectre08]

Originally Posted by Todd Tomorrow

Black don't crack.

lol

Idris Elba just oozes worldliness and authority though, already more than Daniel Craig. Seeing him as more or less a "grunt" would seem out of place.

Bond is a badass, but he doesn't really have to be a leader. Elba looks and acts like a man who leads armies.

[imsounoriginal]

Originally Posted by spectre08

I would love Idris Elba as Bond, except that I think he's too old to start the role. He's only 4 years younger than Daniel Craig. Assuming the reboot again, like they did when they cast Daniel Craig, he would be far too old to be a recently minted double-O agent. He would be a brilliant bond though, if he'd started 5 years ago.

Why would they reboot again, they wouldn't remake CR in less than 15 years... this isn't Spider-Man

[Todd Tomorrow]

Originally Posted by spectre08

lol

Idris Elba just oozes worldliness and authority though, already more than Daniel Craig. Seeing him as more or less a "grunt" would seem out of place.

Bond is a badass, but he doesn't really have to be a leader. Elba looks and acts like a man who leads armies.

I don't want for Bond to be a badass or just a tough guy. I want someone suave and a bit more sophisticated than Craig after he is done. Maybe Elba in a sort of posh, British Stringer Bell mode could do it.

[spectre08]

Originally Posted by Todd Tomorrow

I don't want for Bond to be a badass or just a tough guy. I want someone suave and a bit more sophisticated than Craig after he is done. Maybe Elba in a sort of posh, British Stringer Bell mode could do it.

that could work. Bond moves up the ranks, acts as a trainer and mentor for a new crop of double-Os?

i like it

[charliemaess]

Originally Posted by EvaDK

No thanks to making fundamental changes to a well-established fictional character 'just because we can' in this age of vomit-inducing political correctness.

Someone want a female James Bond? Then write a story centered around a female British agent and start with something fresh. Make it your own.

I entirely agree. The idea of rebooting in such a fashion is completely ludicrous.

[Xenia]

I'm so against them going with the "code name" for the next actor it isn't even funny. Part of the reason I watch the Bond films is because of James Bond (the character, not the name). Sure, Roger Moore and Daniel Craig delivered entirely different performances, but there are traces of Fleming in each (most notably TMWTGG/LALD and OP for the former, SF for the latter). And all of the Bond actors have several shared similarities.

Embracing the code name theory simply for the ability to cast a different race / gender I find silly. The character using the 007 code name could just be any action hero. No thanks.

[baheidstu]

Originally Posted by Todd Tomorrow

You truly are making a meal of this supposed "Exclusive" for some attention seeking and name dropping, aren't you?

You also appear to be unfamiliar with some basics of the series lose continuity. When has Bond ever have to be killed off to be replaced ? Why would it have to be made "impossible" for Craig to reappear?

Also as far as I'm concerned, on the Internet everybody is a dick until proven otherwise.

The only thing that would make it "impossible" for Craig to return is if he died. I mean, seriously, what else would there be? OMG, maybe that's it! Maybe he died and they're just using CGI to finish SPECTRE.

Originally Posted by EvaDK

No thanks to making fundamental changes to a well-established fictional character 'just because we can' in this age of vomit-inducing political correctness.

Someone want a female James Bond? Then write a story centered around a female British agent and start with something fresh. Make it your own.

Agreed. Bond fans are pretty flexible. We can tolerate swings in tone from grittily serious like the Craig films, to outlandishly silly like the Roger Moore films. We roll with the punches as it were, but the one thing that is a constant is Bond himself. Yes, there are slight variations based on who is playing him, but his role in the world is what it is because he is a white British male. I mean, seriously, even a born and bred British black male would be viewed differently in different parts of the world due simply to his race, whether good or bad.

Originally Posted by EvaDK

Funny how the gravestones of his long dead parents say '... Bond', if some lame twist should ever materialize that James Bond is actually just a codename given to him, not his actual name.

Please... don't let this great franchise succumb into the realm of stupidity.

I've said it many times before, but the fact that the Bond as codename theory is a major component of the hated 1967 version of Casino Royale, I don't seriously think Eon will EVER give it legitimacy.

Originally Posted by charliemaess

I entirely agree. The idea of rebooting in such a fashion is completely ludicrous.

I agree also. The only reason that the Craig films were a rebooted series were because they were presented with the unique opportunity to adapt the last remaining Fleming novel they hadn't filmed yet, which also happened to be his first, with DAD being much maligned, it made sense to reboot. Seeing as it's taken three films just to bring us back up to speed with the familiar surroundings of the character, another reboot would be the dumbest thing ever.

[Todd Tomorrow]

Originally Posted by baheidstu

The only thing that would make it "impossible" for Craig to return is if he died. I mean, seriously, what else would there be? OMG, maybe that's it! Maybe he died and they're just using CGI to finish SPECTRE.

What's the point of your reply ? Since when have EON be concerned with making it impossible for an actor to return to the role ? They are more concerned with holding them to their contract and when that finally runs out and the actor doesn't want to renew or if he gets to old, they simply replace them and reboot the franchise.

[baheidstu]

Originally Posted by Todd Tomorrow

What's the point of your reply ? Since when have EON be concerned with making it impossible for an actor to return to the role ? They are more concerned with holding them to their contract and when that finally runs out and the actor doesn't want to renew or if he gets to old, they simply replace them and reboot the franchise.

The point of my reply is to actually back up your comments. Nothing is impossible when it comes to situations with actors. When Sean Connery left the Bond series after YOLT, he said he was done with Bond but money talked and he returned. Harrison Ford [Blade Runner] and Arnold Schwarzenegger [Terminator Genisys] are revisiting old franchises, replaying old characters who you would think would not be able to age, yet the filmmakers are coming up with ways around that. Truly, the only thing that would make it "impossible" is if the actor literally died.

[Todd Tomorrow]

Originally Posted by baheidstu

The point of my reply is to actually back up your comments. Nothing is impossible when it comes to situations with actors. When Sean Connery left the Bond series after YOLT, he said he was done with Bond but money talked and he returned. Harrison Ford [Blade Runner] and Arnold Schwarzenegger [Terminator Genisys] are revisiting old franchises, replaying old characters who you would think would not be able to age, yet the filmmakers are coming up with ways around that. Truly, the only thing that would make it "impossible" is if the actor literally died.

OK thanks.

[Gamma_Winstead]

Originally Posted by duggie walker

Of course I have a source. I just don't want to reveal that source; which isn't unusual as far as "sources" go.

Despite this news being widely known on the SPECTRE set, I'm still telling you something that you're not supposed to know yet - just because, as a fan, my mind was pretty boggled by the information. The most interesting thing is that I can't figure out what could happen in the film that would make it "impossible" for Craig to return unless a) they're killing Bond, which is impossible or b) they're going to reveal that Bond isn't Bond, perhaps by embracing the idea that "James Bond" is just a codename? None of these sound likely to me but I've no other ideas.

It'd be fun to have that conversation but - as ever - some people want to discuss the person posting rather than the post itself.

I understand the desire for a definite source but a) I work in the industry and don't want to compromise myself (same reason I'm not hawking this information around) and b) if you think I'm enough of a dick to make up posts like this for some weird reason, I can't see how I couldn't also be enough of a dick to make up a source.

That said, my source is one of the following:

Barbara Broccoli
Daniel Craig
Sam Mendes
Christophe Waltz
Michael Wilson
Ralph Fiennes
Monica Bellucci

Any of which I would say would be an impeccable source, wouldn't you? But if you didn't believe me before, why would you believe me now?

But the only way this info is wrong is if the source was intentionally bull-shitting me, which doesn't seem likely, given the context in which it came up.

So it's safe for the non-doubters to discuss this news without feeling like a fool, I promise.

So your source is either one of the main actors, or THE bond producer huh?

And how exactly is it you got one of these people to tell you an unrevealed spoiler they haven't told anyone else? And why would the first thing you'd do be to go on the Internet and tell people?

[Xenia]

Originally Posted by spectre08

I'd be happy with Idris Elba just to watch right wing heads explode, that alone would be more than worth the price of admission

I'm against a black James Bond, and I'm not a "right wing head." That being said, I'd still see the film because I've loved the franchise since practically birth, and I'd hardly take to the internet to continuously express my rage like some certainly would. Also, Elba is too old for anything more than a one film contract. He's practically Craig's age now (granted, Craig is 46 pushing 60 and looks like an old grandmother at times with that craggy face, but I digress) so it really wouldn't make much sense for the producers to cast him. I'd like them to look younger. Hell, Luke Evans (the guy I've been kind of championing on a few different forums), is 36, which is even a bit too old in my opinion.

In case someone reads too much into my comment: I'm against any Bond actor cast who isn't a white male from Europe aged 30-45(ish).

[spectre08]

i'm not saying the next Bond shouldn't be white, but he doesn't have to be white either.

If Idris Elba was white most people would be chomping at the bit to give him the role. The ONLY reason most people have for not wanting to give him the role is the color of his skin. What's that called again?

I agree with you on the age though, and we had that discussion a page back. I've come to terms with the next bond being a continuation of the current Bond, and maybe even a development. So age-wise that means Elba wouldn't be ruled out.

There's nothing but "tradition" that says James Bond is white, nothing. So it's pointless to try and keep it that way just for the sake of "tradition." Try something new maybe.

[Megalith]

I wouldn't mind Elba as Bond. British, right age, good build, and suave.

[SethRex]

As far as I know, there is nothing keeping Craig from coming back for the last movie in his contract, and it just seems out of nowhere that suddenly something would happen to keep him from doing so.