UltraHD Blurays and players will start coming by Christmas 2015. Still buying blurays

[bobbydrugar]

To be fair I think 4K has quite a bit going against it.

On one hand the change in resolution will most definitely be there however without a direct A/B comparison side by side or capsaholic screenshots most people will not have the ability to discern one from the other. (Some may claim they can but I would wager a fiver that if you put a blu-ray on in the showroom and said it was UHD without any other A/B side by side that the percentage of people figuring it out would be on par with statistical guessing)

On the second hand we have color gamut. This battle will be fought between the video purists and the techheads. the techheads will espouse wow 10 trazillion colors and the film purists will scream its not Film Like.

Next we have HDR. again film purists and techheads going on the wow much better dynamic range and the purists yelling not film like ( Don't believe me just research the "SOAP OPERA" effect also know as High frame Rate).

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[CKane]

Originally Posted by Captain Willard

Has anyone seen any examples of Blu's upscaled on 4K devices?

I did last weekend in a mall. The blu ray looked terrible, all pixelated!

In my opinion, I'm not upgrading for a 4K tv or another player... Many movies are just in 1080p. I don't see the point, my 1080p samsung tv looks just fantastic! I'll pass and wait for a 4k streaming on netflix or something in that case.

[RudyC]

im not upgrading to UHD until there is a decent catalog of titles....

also...i just bought my tv in 2009....its not even 10 years old...

i think UHD is like 3years away for me....

[HeavyHitter]

Originally Posted by bobbydrugar

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On the second hand we have color gamut. This battle will be fought between the video purists and the techheads. the techheads will espouse wow 10 trazillion colors and the film purists will scream its not Film Like.

The film purists have been wanting P3 color gamut as that comes closer to approaching 35mm film (which still has ever a broader gamut) and matches the DCI-P3 gamut which most Blu-rays stem from at rec. 709. With DCI-P3 you are getting closer to the actual source. It's a win-win for techies and film purists.

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[Mr.Twinks]

I was out looking at tv's at BB and Costco and if my two Panny's go (one is from 2003 the other 2008) I will probably buy a mid level Samsung 4K tv to replace my plasma.

But my main focus would be on 4K Pj's which haven't come down to prices I am comfortable to spend right now. I am pretty happy with my setup and there are other things I would like to upgrade sound wise (new center channel/avr for atmos). If the Pj's come down in price and there are some actual 4KUHD BD's for me to buy, yeah I might upgrade down the road. But I am happy with BD and I will continue to buy BDs.

[mogwai_macabre]

I have zero interest in a 4k TV.

Call me when quality 4k projectors are readily available for less than $2000, and when UHD media rivals current Blu-ray pricing.

If they put out combo packs (UHD + Blu-ray), then I'll likely pick those up in preparation for the hardware to catch up.

[Maggot]

Originally Posted by bobbydrugar

To be fair I think 4K has quite a bit going against it.

On one hand the change in resolution will most definitely be there however without a direct A/B comparison side by side or capsaholic screenshots most people will not have the ability to discern one from the other. (Some may claim they can but I would wager a fiver that if you put a blu-ray on in the showroom and said it was UHD without any other A/B side by side that the percentage of people figuring it out would be on par with statistical guessing)

On the second hand we have color gamut. This battle will be fought between the video purists and the techheads. the techheads will espouse wow 10 trazillion colors and the film purists will scream its not Film Like.

Next we have HDR. again film purists and techheads going on the wow much better dynamic range and the purists yelling not film like ( Don't believe me just research the "SOAP OPERA" effect also know as High frame Rate).

T

Yea, as collectors/film buffs I think we are always amazed when the general viewing public either likes or doesn't see the un-natural "riding on rails" or "smooth as glass" movement going on with the Soap Opera look.

[BillieCassin]

Originally Posted by HeavyHitter

The film purists have been wanting P3 color gamut as that comes closer to approaching 35mm film (which still has ever a broader gamut) and matches the DCI-P3 gamut which most Blu-rays stem from at rec. 709. With DCI-P3 you are getting closer to the actual source. It's a win-win for techies and film purists.

While everyone else just yawns.

That precisely illustrates the point I made on the previous page - it's all techy garbledy gook even to many folks like myself, who are enough of enthusiasts to come to a site like this yet still just could not by any stretch of the imagination begin to care less.

[murphywmm]

UHD BluRay will be the movie equivalent to SACD.

[mar3o]

Originally Posted by bobbydrugar

Next we have HDR. again film purists and techheads going on the wow much better dynamic range and the purists yelling not film like ( Don't believe me just research the "SOAP OPERA" effect also know as High frame Rate).

T

Well, if HDR has a negative effect on films like motion smoothing (the Soap Opera Effect) then I want nothing to do with it. I want my films to look like films.

[CinemaScope]

Originally Posted by mogwai_macabre

I have zero interest in a 4k TV.

Call me when quality 4k projectors are readily available for less than $2000, and when UHD media rivals current Blu-ray pricing.

If they put out combo packs (UHD + Blu-ray), then I'll likely pick those up in preparation for the hardware to catch up.

...& when the choice of UHD discs approaches what's now available on Blu-ray.

[BillieCassin]

Originally Posted by CinemaScope

...& when the choice of UHD discs approaches what's now available on Blu-ray.

So a quarter to never?

Seriously, though - I honestly think it will end up somewhere between D-VHS and Laserdisc. Probably somewhere in the neighborhood of pre-recorded MiniDisc.

[StingingVelvet]

Movies on discs will be a laserdisc style niche soon enough, for catalog material anyway. Hell, it kind of already is for catalog material unless you're Goodfellas or Back to the Future. The question is can UHD capture that niche and become the laserdisc of the next 20 years, or will it crash and burn and regular blu-ray gets more and more niche over time and sticks around? Honestly it's 50/50 odds IMO.

Either way the BD copy you have of XYZ catalog release could easily be the best it ever looks on home video.

[GenPion]

Originally Posted by StingingVelvet

Movies on discs will be a laserdisc style niche soon enough, for catalog material anyway. Hell, it kind of already is for catalog material unless you're Goodfellas or Back to the Future. The question is can UHD capture that niche and become the laserdisc of the next 20 years, or will it crash and burn and regular blu-ray gets more and more niche over time and sticks around? Honestly it's 50/50 odds IMO.

Either way the BD copy you have of XYZ catalog release could easily be the best it ever looks on home video.

I think 4K UHD Blu-ray will succeed. Some Blu-ray fans are already writing it off, but it isn't even out yet. I think the quality will be reason enough for enthusiasts to want to upgrade.

Will it surpass Blu-ray? No. Tons of catalog titles will continue to only be on Blu-ray and only be released on Blu-ray. Big catalog titles will get 4K remasters/scans though (if they haven't already), and will come out on the format alongside big-budget Hollywood films shot in 4K or higher resolution.

I don't see it taking off in the same way Blu-ray has, to an extent, and it will be even more like laserdisc in terms of overall sales (except new releases will probably do pretty well).

[Optimus-Prime-Rox]

Will the UltraHD Bluray's come by themselves or will they also have a regular bluray disc & dvd in the package?

[Martin_31]

Originally Posted by Optimus-Prime-Rox

Will the UltraHD Bluray's come by themselves or will they also have a regular bluray disc & dvd in the package?

It will come with a UHD Blu-ray, Blu-ray, 3D, DVD, and UV!! Remastered in 4K, loaded with special features, reversible artwork, original theatrical artwork, and booklet!! All under $25!! Imagine that!! What a dream!!

[jdw89]

Not all that interested

[jdw89]

Originally Posted by Martin_31

It will come with a UHD Blu-ray, Blu-ray, 3D, DVD, and UV!!

No VHS copy? No sale!

[StingingVelvet]

Originally Posted by GenPion

I think 4K UHD Blu-ray will succeed. Some Blu-ray fans are already writing it off, but it isn't even out yet. I think the quality will be reason enough for enthusiasts to want to upgrade.

I don't really think there will be a big enough difference for most people to care about. As someone else said a while back, most studios are still finishing their movies in 2k for theatrical exhibition, but we need 4k for home theater? Nah. We shall see though, I wouldn't mind being proven wrong.

[HeavyHitter]

Originally Posted by BillieCassin

While everyone else just yawns.

That precisely illustrates the point I made on the previous page - it's all techy garbledy gook even to many folks like myself, who are enough of enthusiasts to come to a site like this yet still just could not by any stretch of the imagination begin to care less.

I wouldn't say "everyone". On paper, P3 is a notable wider color gamut so I am not writing it off. How much better will it look in all reality remains to be seen, but I think the difference will be notable especially on a calibrated display. I look forward to see what the difference is along with all of the things UHD will offer even though I am going to be holding off for a while.