UltraHD Blurays and players will start coming by Christmas 2015. Still buying blurays

[mar3o]

Originally Posted by BillieCassin

Which illustrates my point exactly.

When it's all they sell, and when their current TV's break.

It won't be because it has millions and millions and millions of colors vs. millions and millions of colors. The mass upgrade of HDTV of 5-7 years ago in the consumer market will not be replicated, and pushing out these sets now is to appeal to the small amount of folks who upgrade their hardware as a hobby.

Of course this was my point earlier when I said they should have abandoned DVD years ago. The DVD crowd would have moved to blu-ray if that's all the industry sold. The DVD crowd had years to prepare for that before switching over. But clearly many will never move up if they're not pushed into it. 8 Years into the blu-ray format, they should not still be putting out DVDs. If all they sold were blu-rays, they wouldn't be complaining about poor blu-ray sales compared to DVDs. All these people that only buy DVDs will not stop buying movies if they drop the DVD format - they will switch to blu-ray. They just won't do that while they have a choice.

[mar3o]

Originally Posted by jonmoz

Thing is people do not always buy things for the the same reasons,we see the value in Blu-ray because we are very tech minded,the masses don't even seem to be that aware of Blu-ray,never mind the new UHD Blu-ray format.

I refuse to believe that people aren't aware of blu-ray. You can't walk into a Wal-Mart or Target without seeing piles of them as you walk by. It's more a matter of people being ignorant to the benefits of blu-ray.

[I KEEL YOU]

Originally Posted by CKane

I did last weekend in a mall. The blu ray looked terrible, all pixelated!

That doesn't even make sense. How can blu ray look worse on a 4K TV?

There must've be something wrong with the settings on the TV. Ordinary blu rays are bound to look even better on 4K TVs just like we know how upscaled SD looks better on HD TVs than native SD looked on old box TVs.

[StingingVelvet]

Originally Posted by mar3o

A good point. I think this is what it will come down to. People who are into blu-ray already show an interest in higher quality, so they may be the ones who are more likely to look into 4k at some point, based on quality. Those who are still stuck in DVD land will not give a hoot about 4k, because quality is obviously not a factor for them if they're still happy with watching 480p on a 1080p set.

Of course many who are into blu-ray will be happy sticking to blu-ray as it's already a high-quality format and they might feel 4k is reaching diminishing returns for them. But I think 4k has a better chance with the blu-ray crowd than the DVD crowd. They're already a lost cause in this battle.

That's basically the issue, outlined before by others. Only 33-ish percent of DVD buyers cared enough to get into blu-ray. The percentage excited about UHD will surely be some percentage of blu-ray purchasers, which won't be a massive amount. Even if a third of blu-ray enthusiasts adopt within two or three years that's still probably not enough to get studios really enthused.

Very much a we'll see situation, but I would imagine UHD will be on thin ice from day one. Studios are focused on digital and I don't think they care what disc format carries their niche collectors market through the next decade when it comes down to it.

[I KEEL YOU]

Originally Posted by GenPion

I think a lot of people who currently collect Blu-ray's will care.

The percentages of the poll from this thread certainly seem to indicate so.

[#Darren]

If I actually thought 4K would have anywhere 1080P's volume of titles I'd hold back somewhat. But 4K will have only a small percentage of titles compare to BD so...

[#Darren]

Tech manufacturers are getting too greedy, and their gravy train is going to run out of steam.

[Blu MacReady]

I for one will not bother to upscale. I had a decent (still do) size dvd collection and many are still not on BD, or not worth the upgrade. I now have a decent size BD collection, having rebought many same titles. Some VHS-dvd-dvd s.e.- BD and it's possible on a few to jump to a better BD now, then one which came out in 2007 for example.

I really notice how good most BDs are over their dvd format versions. I'm lucky to own on BD 99% of my all time favourite movies, from childhood to recent times. I'm more then happy how Jaws, Terminator, Aliens, Star Wars, BTTF, Bond films, Indiana Jones and more look on BD. I'm lucky enough to have a good system and a 50" Panasonic tv. Even some DVDs still look really good, maybe cause I remember VHS?

Could I be bothered to through more money at yet another format? Nah. Mainly the repeated cost, but mostly because I've read you'll need a tv around 120" to even notice the benefit. Will smaller labels like Arrow bother to invest into the cost of UHD production? If WB, Sony or Universal can't be bothered with the cost of HD releases for catalogue titles, yet to be on BD 10 yrs on due to (apparent) low demand. Why will they now spend maybe double to release them?

I also don't think the leap in quality, unless I spend £2k on a giant TV etc, knock my lounge into my dining room to get the required 80 ft viewing distance etc etc etc, will be as noticeable as BD is.

I think if you're happy, more then satisfied with what you're watching it won't be worth the cost or drama and arguments over quality. How can a proper studio restored film like WB and Goodfellas, approved by Marty himself get better? (I don't own it but..) It's now meant to have the correct colours, sound, still look real film like with the correct grain etc. what will UHD do to it? Make it look sharper and cleaner? Doesn't that then take away the correct colour, grain and just look waxy and unrealistic?

What I might fold and do is upgrade the odd UHD disc, IF, reviews and forum posters confirm its better on a normal BD system and tv then it's previous BD release and I agree it could look better. A Nightmare on Elm St. collection with more extras and PQ/AQ would fall into that category. A UHD release of the Alien set wouldn't.

[moviesmovie]

I'm confused, can I buy UHD disks and insert it in my regular Blu Ray player with my HD TV? Or are you obligated to buy a 4k TV and a UHD player?

[PenguinMaster]

Originally Posted by moviesmovie

I'm confused, can I buy UHD disks and insert it in my regular Blu Ray player with my HD TV? Or are you obligated to buy a 4k TV and a UHD player?

You'll have to buy a UHD player to play UHD discs. You can use a UHD player on a 1080p TV (and probably even a 720p TV), but it won't look any better than regular Blu-ray.

[Blu MacReady]

Originally Posted by PenguinMaster

You'll have to buy a UHD player to play UHD discs. You can use a UHD player on a 1080p TV (and probably even a 720p TV), but it won't look any better than regular Blu-ray.

Then it's an even easier pass.

And unless anyone is viewing the UHD on 120" on larger tv/projector I wouldn't even consider your views on picture quality, not for a split second.

[HD Goofnut]

Originally Posted by Blu MacReady

Then it's an even easier pass.

And unless anyone is viewing the UHD on 120" on larger tv/projector I wouldn't even consider your views on picture quality, not for a split second.

That's narrow-minded. I have looked at 60" 4K displays playing a BD without any sharpness or DNR added from my normal viewing distance of about 9' and the difference is still night and day. I can only imagine what a UHD disc will look like.

[RollTide1017]

I just don't see the point since most studio films are still finished at 2k. That means that the UHD master will just be a fancy upscale from 2k and that is just not worth the buy-in cost IMO. I'll give it a second look when, or if, the studios start finishing all there films at 4k.

[HD Goofnut]

Originally Posted by RollTide1017

I just don't see the point since most studio films are still finished at 2k. That means that the UHD master will just be a fancy upscale from 2k and that is just not worth the buy-in cost IMO. I'll give it a second look when, or if, the studios start finishing all there films at 4k.

Unless they scan them at 4K, which is exactly what Sony has been doing for the last several years. This is assuming the source is in good shape.

[HeavyHitter]

I imagine newer films finished at 2K will eventually be shifting to 4K although that will require a lot of movie theaters to upgrade to 4K projectors too...it's going to take a while.

[Blu MacReady]

Originally Posted by HD Goofnut

That's narrow-minded. I have looked at 60" 4K displays playing a BD without any sharpness or DNR added from my normal viewing distance of about 9' and the difference is still night and day. I can only imagine what a UHD disc will look like.

It's been proven you need something upwards of 100" to notice.

[HD Goofnut]

Originally Posted by Blu MacReady

It's been proven you need something upwards of 100" to notice.

It has not been 'proven' at all. You are also not factoring the increased difference in color saturation.

[HeavyHitter]

Originally Posted by Blu MacReady

It's been proven you need something upwards of 100" to notice.

Even if one is seeing less than UHD...maybe like 3K...would still be beneficial especially factoring in 10 bit, HDR, better compression, and P3. UHD is not just about resolution.

[Blu MacReady]

Originally Posted by Brightstar

when are these ultra hd disks gonna come out in the uk ?

Just before they announce the 8k format

[HD Goofnut]

Originally Posted by Blu MacReady

Just before they announce the 8k format

I will welcome it for 65/70mm films too.