UltraHD Blurays and players will start coming by Christmas 2015. Still buying blurays

[bobbydrugar]

or they could just not buy the movie and either wait for it to come out on cable or stream it on netflix or hulu or youtube. They would lose a vast majority of those DVD sales because I doubt that a majority of the DVD holdouts would in fact go buy a blu-ray player at any cost. If they were inclined to move to blu-ray they would have already.

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[mar3o]

Originally Posted by Blu MacReady

Then it's an even easier pass.

And unless anyone is viewing the UHD on 120" on larger tv/projector I wouldn't even consider your views on picture quality, not for a split second.

This is not true.

I've seen much smaller UHD sets on display in stores already and the image is jaw-dropping, even at a good distance away. And that's on default store settings! Of course it's demo material they're playing, but that's the point - to show what it's capable of. Too many people throw facts around that have no basis in reality. Wherever you read that was mistaken.

Will most people see enough of a difference to upgrade? Likely not, until they have no choice. Personally, I don't understand how you couldn't see the difference, but people don't see the difference between DVD and blu-ray either, so go figure. You most certainly don't need a 120" tv to notice the difference in UHD.

[mar3o]

Originally Posted by Blu MacReady

It's been proven you need something upwards of 100" to notice.

*Citation needed.

[mar3o]

Originally Posted by StingingVelvet

If some movies get 4k remasters exclusive to UHD though it will be worth getting the player and disc just to see those masters, IMO. I won't have a 4k TV for years probably but if Die Hard comes exclusively to UHD with a 4k remaster you can bet I'll be getting a UHD player to own it.

This is assuming UHD takes off well enough to last a while, of course. If it crashes and burns like S-VHS then I'd just wait for the inevitable BD release.

Good point about new masters possibly being available on UHD only. I hope that isn't the case, but it's certainly possible, and in some cases even likely.

[HD Goofnut]

Originally Posted by dannydeez

But then couldn't they just make them on blu rays instead? People can buy an $80 blu ray player and still play their old dvd collection and then move forward into the future with blu ray only releases.

This.

[mar3o]

Originally Posted by kidglov3s

And throw away 70% of the movies-on-disc market?

Lol, what makes you think that? Do you honestly think if they sold movies only on blu-ray that 70% of people would stop buying movies? Hilarious. No, they would finally get their butts over to the electronics section and buy a $50 blu-ray player so they could start buying blu-rays. People just need that kick to force them into it, and that time is long overdue. DVD needs to go away. Anything SD only can still be released on blu-ray - extras are in SD often on blu-ray. Just be up-front and make note on the packaging that the content is SD only for those blu-rays that only contain SD content. By doing this you're eliminating a third format. The market can't support 3 formats at once. It's barely supporting 2.

As far as retail goes, stores barely carry blu-ray as it is - I see tons of DVD versions in Wal-Marts and Targets but no blu-ray counterpart. What makes people think stores are going to carry a good selection of UHD discs? 3D has been out for years and stores still have a lousy selection at best.

[mar3o]

Originally Posted by bobbydrugar

or they could just not buy the movie and either wait for it to come out on cable or stream it on netflix or hulu or youtube. They would lose a vast majority of those DVD sales because I doubt that a majority of the DVD holdouts would in fact go buy a blu-ray player at any cost. If they were inclined to move to blu-ray they would have already.

T

Sorry but I disagree entirely. People aren't going to stop buying movies. Blu-ray players can be had for $35 around Christmas. People are just lazy and set in their ways, and won't change until they are forced to. So force them. They've had 8 years to prepare for this. Time to change.

[HD Goofnut]

Originally Posted by mar3o

Lol, what makes you think that? Do you honestly think if they sold movies only on blu-ray that 70% of people would stop buying movies? Hilarious. No, they would finally get their butts over to the electronics section and buy a $50 blu-ray player so they could start buying blu-rays. People just need that kick to force them into it, and that time is long overdue. DVD needs to go away. Anything SD only can still be released on blu-ray - extras are in SD often on blu-ray. Just be up-front and make note on the packaging that the content is SD only for those blu-rays that only contain SD content. By doing this you're eliminating a third format. The market can't support 3 formats at once. It's barely supporting 2.

As far as retail goes, stores barely carry blu-ray as it is - I see tons of DVD versions in Wal-Marts and Targets but no blu-ray counterpart. What makes people think stores are going to carry a good selection of UHD discs? 3D has been out for years and stores still have a lousy selection at best.

Yep, DVD SKUs just need to stop being made, period.

[I KEEL YOU]

Originally Posted by mar3o

Lol, what makes you think that? Do you honestly think if they sold movies only on blu-ray that 70% of people would stop buying movies? Hilarious. No, they would finally get their butts over to the electronics section and buy a $50 blu-ray player so they could start buying blu-rays. People just need that kick to force them into it, and that time is long overdue. DVD needs to go away. Anything SD only can still be released on blu-ray - extras are in SD often on blu-ray. Just be up-front and make note on the packaging that the content is SD only for those blu-rays that only contain SD content. By doing this you're eliminating a third format. The market can't support 3 formats at once. It's barely supporting 2.

As far as retail goes, stores barely carry blu-ray as it is - I see tons of DVD versions in Wal-Marts and Targets but no blu-ray counterpart. What makes people think stores are going to carry a good selection of UHD discs? 3D has been out for years and stores still have a lousy selection at best.

You're overlooking one huge factor: DVDs are significantly cheaper to make.

Cheaper to make + 70% of the market still willking to buy them = match made in heaven for studios

You think they're going to force blu ray on general principle?

[kidglov3s]

If you're the studios, and you sell 7 of A and 3 of B, which cost roughly the same to produce, you don't get rid of A in the hopes of selling more B. Especially when the business of As and Bs has been on a steady decline for years and years, and there's been a general shift away from both (moreso from B than A at that).

[mar3o]

Originally Posted by I KEEL YOU

You're overlooking one huge factor: DVDs are significantly cheaper to make.

Cheaper to make + 70% of the market still willking to buy them = match made in heaven for studios

You think they're going to force blu ray on general principle?

Who's talking about principle? The market can't support 3 formats. What makes you think retail stores will carry 3 different disc formats? Do you honestly think that? If the studios want UHD to have any chance at all, DVD needs to go away. Otherwise, they might as well give up now.

They're trying to push higher quality media and have been for years, while at the same time selling low quality media. It makes no sense. You can't buy SD tvs and haven't been able to for years, so why do they stil make SD media?

[kidglov3s]

Originally Posted by mar3o

Who's talking about principle? The market can't support 3 formats. What makes you think retail stores will carry 3 different disc formats? Do you honestly think that? If the studios want UHD to have any chance at all, DVD needs to go away. Otherwise, they might as well give up now.

They're trying to push higher quality media and have been for years, while at the same time selling low quality media. It makes no sense. You can't buy SD tvs and haven't been able to for years, so why do they stil make SD media?

Because people keep buying them. Right now physical media is like an old man with terminal cancer. Shitcanning DVD would, unfortunately, be like that man putting a loaded gun in his mouth and pulling the trigger.

I'll leave it to someone wiser than I:

Joe Dirt's Words of Wisdom for Marketers - YouTube

[42041]

Originally Posted by mar3o

Who's talking about principle? The market can't support 3 formats. What makes you think retail stores will carry 3 different disc formats? Do you honestly think that? If the studios want UHD to have any chance at all, DVD needs to go away. Otherwise, they might as well give up now.

They're trying to push higher quality media and have been for years, while at the same time selling low quality media. It makes no sense. You can't buy SD tvs and haven't been able to for years, so why do they stil make SD media?

Yes, I'm sure they'll get right on discontinuing the format outselling the other one by wide margins
I think you're right: the market can't support 3 formats (especially when the evidence is that most people just don't give a shit about the AV quality of their movies). That is why I think UltraHD will fail miserably.

[bobbydrugar]

Too true. I think a bunch of people throwing around slurs such as people are lazy and get their butts in gear have no concept of living on fixed income. Persons with disabilities, and any form of empathy for somebody that is not them. It has never happened in the history of ever that a company was successful at forcing consumers to buy anything. in fact the closest I can think of is Mandatory Car Insurance (which took legislation in the U.S.) and Forced health care (Which took Legislation in the U.S.) and those fairly high priority life decisions have split the electorate in the past (hell the health care thing is still a touchy subject) I don't think there would be anywhere near that level of split in the electorate when uncle sam comes down and legislates you must buy a Blu-Ray player and a New UHDTV. its not going to happen. laws of economics currently drive these trivial leisure activities, watching movies and buying DVD's so as long as they number in the 70% range and until adoption of the new format replaces and surpasses the income of the former format it will continue to be supported.

Simple economics.
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[Gold Ranger]

Originally Posted by Blu MacReady

I'm thinking more mainstream titles. If/when it's Transformers 7 or Romero does Planet of the Dead or something, it's available DVD or UHD with digital copy. That's it - no BD.

It has,looking on here, a market share of 25-30%. Guesstimate UHD takes 10-15% away. They then become roughly equal, as let's assume DVD stays at 70%.

With the costs involved in production of BD and if UHD-BD production has been put in place, would they bother to make three format versions of each movie? When WB finally issues Young Guns II, will they spend to have both BD & UHDBD made? It's still 10yrs and they clearly don't think BD of it is worth their while...replace YGII with any of your wish list....

Haven't some TV shows had BD releases of seasons 1,2,3 then it's only DVD going forward?

The Time Machine (remake)
Pump Up the Volume
Gleaming the Cube

[I KEEL YOU]

Originally Posted by mar3o

Who's talking about principle? The market can't support 3 formats. What makes you think retail stores will carry 3 different disc formats? Do you honestly think that? If the studios want UHD to have any chance at all, DVD needs to go away. Otherwise, they might as well give up now.

No, I don't think that it can handle three disc formats + the digital format/streaming. Which is why I think that UHD will probably fail. They won't abandon DVD for obvious, profit related reasons.

The only way I, personally see ULTRA high definition blu ray succeeding is if they make it ULTRA niche, even more than LaserDiscs were in their prime: Make very high quality products with flawless 4K transfers, plenty of extras and deluxe packaging, have no DRM restrictions, make the format region free and sell the product for around $50 apiece.. Which would actually be a fair price if you consider that they're essentially letting you own a copy of their 35mm OCN from their vault.

Originally Posted by mar3o

They're trying to push higher quality media and have been for years, while at the same time selling low quality media. It makes no sense. You can't buy SD tvs and haven't been able to for years, so why do they stil make SD media?

Because it's cheaper to make and most people are buying it over the HD media. People still find the look of SD media (DVD) acceptable on their HD screens and the studios are all too happy to oblige and cut their production costs.

[Gold Ranger]

Blu-Ray players aren't $80.xx anymore.
There are $30.xx players.

[Gold Ranger]

I really want to see someone say, and mean it, that they cannot see the difference between DVD and UHD!

[bobbydrugar]

Oh it will happen. if I throw on a UHD disk to a sub par (like my old 1081i Rear projection TV) and a DVD then they both come out looking pretty crappy. If I connect a UHD player to a Television with Composite yellow/Red/White cables then it will look pretty crappy.

Just you wait there will be tons of people (Real people living in the real world not hangin out on message boards about Blu-ray) that legitimately can not tell the difference.

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[42041]

Originally Posted by Gold Ranger

I really want to see someone say, and mean it, that they cannot see the difference between DVD and UHD!

Plenty of people who still buy DVDs can likely say that. It's just a matter of screen size vs. viewing distance (and eyesight).