Mad Max: Fury Road (2015)

[poke smot]

Originally Posted by Ray Jackson

The first 40 minutes or so of Thunderdome are as good as anything in the entire Mad Max anthology imo.

...but it all starts to fall apart after he leaves Bartertown.

I can't really disagree but all the lost boy stuff isn't a total loss. Some decent culture building, creation story telling and such. I just no longer think it's the travesty I always thought. Gotta love the didgeridoo. I just view the 2nd half as one chapter in the whole.

[Arawn]

Originally Posted by poke smot

I can't really disagree but all the lost boy stuff isn't a total loss.

Not at all. For example:

You get the pretty dark nuclear-war backstory of Walker & co. with "May God have mercy on our souls" and all that, and pretty much the only actual death scene in the film. And I've always liked how Max, for a moment, plays along with the kids' The Majestic-esque need to see him as the returned Walker:

"This a testing, Walker? You reckon we've been slack?"
"Well, I don't know. Maybe you've been slack."

And the very end has a nice emotional beat for those into that sort of thing.

[Ray Jackson]

Originally Posted by Arawn

Not at all. For example:

You get the pretty dark nuclear-war backstory of Walker & co. with "May God have mercy on our souls" and all that, and pretty much the only actual death scene in the film. And I've always liked how Max, for a moment, plays along with the kids' The Majestic-esque need to see him as the returned Walker:

"This a testing, Walker? You reckon we've been slack?"
"Well, I don't know. Maybe you've been slack."

And the very end has a nice emotional beat for those into that sort of thing.

Originally Posted by LuckyDragon

I love Beyond Thunderdome. I'm not going to qualify that with "I wish it was rated R" or "I don't like the stuff with the kids" or anything else. Just a damn fine movie that's only disappointing when directly compared to its superior predecessor and successor, and even then only slightly.

I am not a fan of the second act with the kids and the Peter Pan angle or whatever that was.

It's too corny and silly imo.

Mad Max movies are supposed to be badass dystopian nightmares.

...there should be no scenes that I would feel comfortable showing my four year old nephews.

[Ray Jackson]

Originally Posted by LuckyDragon

So Max bonding lovingly with his wife and son in the first film, and his dog and the feral kid over a music box in the second, those scenes shouldn't be there?

The stuff in Thunderdome is nowhere near as out of character for the series as it's been made out to be.

Yeah that's a fair point.

But almost the entire second act of Thunderdome is like that.

It just doesn't work for me.

...I cringe at some of the "everything marked, everything membered" lines.

[Michael24]

Funny enough, all three times I saw Fury Road in the theater, there were at least a few people there with kids who looked between five and ten. And I'm pretty sure a lot of us who are fans first discovered the original movies as kids in the '80s. I know I was probably only eight or so the first time I saw them.

[Yojimbo68]

Originally Posted by LuckyDragon

So Max bonding lovingly with his wife and son in the first film, and his dog and the feral kid over a music box in the second, those scenes shouldn't be there?

The stuff in Thunderdome is nowhere near as out of character for the series as it's been made out to be.

All those scenes worked in the first two films. It doesn't work in Thunderdome. It almost like a question on Family Feud. "Name two things that don't go together." "Mad Max and Lord of the Flies!?" "Survey says..95%!"

[Al_The_Strange]

I think thing to keep in mind about Beyond Thunderdome is that it's another perspective on the Mad Max legend. It has the corny Peter Pan style stuff because that's how the Lost Boys perceived the events, and that's how they relayed Max's legend from then on out as they retold the tale to future generations. Just like how The Road Warrior was told from the narrative perspective of that feral kid (so everything comes off as pretty harsh). Really, I think the only film that has an objective narrative viewpoint is the first, original film.

I can't say that the fairy tale flourish of Thunderdome really congeals that well or is even likable, but I can appreciate what it tried to do.

[schlock]

I didn't like Thunderdome when it first came out. Years later, I thought it may be OK on a revisit recently and found it to be even more insufferable today. Sorry, still don't like the first act (which many love), nor do I like the second act (absolutely wretched), and the third act still seems like a lifeless action retread of the earlier two films, but with no power to it.

[Ray Jackson]

Originally Posted by LuckyDragon

No power to the train and dune buggy chase?

We're all clearly watching different movies here.

It's not bad.

But I agree that it comes across like a low-octane version of the chase scene in Road Warrior.

It's basically the same scene, just not as good imo.

But I really like the last scene in Thunderdome.

...it's very moving to see that they've essentially rediscovered modern civilization and started to rebuild again.

[sancho]

Watched this today for the 1st time. Very enjoyable movie...IMO

[darkness2918]

Thunderdome is ok but its still the weakest in the series by far.

[Revan24]

I was watching Sailor Moon the other day and I realized something they use the opera song from Mad Max Fury Road!

[levcore]

Originally Posted by Ray Jackson

No, I guess I'm just not smart enough to crack the profound intellectual code of an art film like Mad Max Fury Road.

Never mind, maybe one day you will.

[levcore]

Originally Posted by poke smot

Rewatched beyond thunderdome again after a long stretch and realized it's not that bad. It doesn't deserve all the hate as its a worthy entry into the series. Thunderdome is a decent little detour.

I think all of Thunderdome is awesome, love that movie. It has my favourite last few minutes of any movie ever too.

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by levcore

I think all of Thunderdome is awesome, love that movie. It has my favourite last few minutes of any movie ever too.

I dunno about "favourite last few minutes of any movie ever" but I do like that end sequence too, it's great to FINALLY see the post-apocalyptic ruins of Max's world.

[Alfred E. Neumann]

Why did they shoot Mad Max: Fury Road in 2k resolution?

Technical specs:
ARRIRAW (2.8K) (source format)
Digital Intermediate (2K) (master format)
ProRes 4:2:2 (1080p/24) (source format)

It would look much better if shot and mastered in 4k, nowadays they usually shoot everything with big budget in 4k or more.

[Pieter V]

Originally Posted by Alfred E. Neumann

Why did they shoot Mad Max: Fury Road in 2k resolution?

Technical specs:
ARRIRAW (2.8K) (source format)
Digital Intermediate (2K) (master format)
ProRes 4:2:2 (1080p/24) (source format)

It would look much better if shot and mastered in 4k, nowadays they usually shoot everything with big budget in 4k or more.

ARRIRAW (2.8K) can still look great. See 'Hope Springs' for example. Or 'Skyfall', but that one was 4K mastered.

https://www.blu-ray.com/movies/Hope-.../57119/#Review

It also depends on the lenses, the intended (raw) look and Mad Max was shot with some budget cameras too. Quality varies.

The fact Mad Max: Fury Road was not 4K mastered? Simple: you may thank 3D for that.

Glad 3D is dead now.

[m3racer123]

Originally Posted by Alfred E. Neumann

nowadays they usually shoot everything with big budget in 4k or more.

Actually, most modern films are still filmed in 2.8K and mastered in 2K. I think Sony master all of their films in 4K now, but it's not as widespread as you think.

[Geoff D]

Yup. Arri also introduced an 'Open Gate' mode which uses the full 3.4K res of the Alexa sensor (although it's still Bayer'ed so even that res doesn't tell the whole story) and people are starting to use that more and more lately.

[Alfred E. Neumann]

Originally Posted by m3racer123

Actually, most modern films are still filmed in 2.8K and mastered in 2K. I think Sony master all of their films in 4K now, but it's not as widespread as you think.

Really? I didn't know that. I think 2k is outdated and hardly better than Blu-ray and that is the only source they have, sad.
It's always better to have 4k for future generations (4k TVs, 4k cinema etc.) and releases.