SPECTRE Review Thread - Page 149 - Blu-ray Forum

imsounoriginal · 10-25-2015, 01:08 PM

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I would argue, for your eyes only and licence to kill get close

Not sure about FYEO, certainly it is at times but for the most part it is standard Bond formula (starting off with that ridiculous pre-title sequence). LTK is a revenge movie more than a spy flick; a top 5 Bond for me, but there isn't much spying, just Bond on Fire.

dvdmike · 10-25-2015, 01:10 PM

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Not sure about FYEO, certainly it is at times but for the most part it is standard Bond formula (starting off with that ridiculous pre-title sequence). LTK is a revenge movie more than a spy flick; a top 5 Bond for me, but there isn't much spying, just Bond on Fire.

Yes but in his revenge he has to spy, and infiltrate and not tell every person alive his name and rank

imsounoriginal · 10-25-2015, 01:13 PM

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Yes but in his revenge he has to spy, and infiltrate and not tell every person alive his name and rank

Yeah good point. Ironic that Bond does more spying as a disavowed agent in that movie than he does in almost all the others

dvdmike · 10-25-2015, 01:14 PM

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Yeah good point. Ironic that Bond does more spying as a disavowed agent in that movie than he does in almost all the others

It's bizarre really

travisbickle · 10-25-2015, 01:40 PM

Did someone say Licence To Kill? One of my personal favorites! The movie almost seems like it could've come out of the Cannon film library. Great villains (Davi and Del Toro> honeymooooon.....) some nasty violence, and one of the hottest Bond girls, IMO....Carey Lowell.

And Dalton is great. Way better than old lady Moore.

Connery>Craig>Dalton

dvdmike · 10-25-2015, 01:43 PM

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Originally Posted by travisbickle

Did someone say Licence To Kill? One of my personal favorites! The movie almost seems like it could've come out of the Cannon film library. Great villains (Davi and Del Toro> honeymooooon.....) some nasty violence, and one of the hottest Bond girls, IMO....Carey Lowell.

And Dalton is great. Way better than old lady Moore.

Connery>Craig>Dalton

Dalton > some other guys

Geoff D · 10-25-2015, 02:28 PM

Please note: do not spoiler or leave out quoted images of Carey Lowell, repeat them as often as possible.

dvdmike · 10-25-2015, 02:30 PM

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Dalton > some other guys

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Originally Posted by travisbickle

Did someone say Licence To Kill? One of my personal favorites! The movie almost seems like it could've come out of the Cannon film library. Great villains (Davi and Del Toro> honeymooooon.....) some nasty violence, and one of the hottest Bond girls, IMO....Carey Lowell.

And Dalton is great. Way better than old lady Moore.

Connery>Craig>Dalton

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Please note: do not spoiler or leave out quoted images of Carey Lowell, repeat them as often as possible.

I don't understand how quotes work

Daredevil666 · 10-25-2015, 05:33 PM

I love LTK but it's a mix of WISEGUY (the TV show) blended with the Live and Let Die novel, and some Lethal Weapon style action. It's still the template for all the Craig era though.

dvdmike · 10-25-2015, 05:43 PM

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I love LTK but it's a mix of WISEGUY (the TV show) blended with the Live and Let Die novel, and some Lethal Weapon style action. It's still the template for all the Craig era though.

DAT score https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lvBj...ature=youtu.be

Infernal King · 10-25-2015, 05:46 PM

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I love LTK but it's a mix of WISEGUY (the TV show) blended with the Live and Let Die novel, and some Lethal Weapon style action. It's still the template for all the Craig era though.

Craig's movies haven't gotten as silly as the silliest parts of Licence to Kill but LTK is still better than them. And I say that as someone who likes it but still finds it overrated.

Richard--W · 10-25-2015, 05:50 PM

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Disappointing to find out that Waltz gives the same performance he always does. Actors are supposed to surprise us with their portrayals of Bond villains.

Disappointing to find out that Craig gives the same performance he always does. Actors are supposed to surprise us with their portrayals of James Bond.

Richard--W · 10-25-2015, 05:59 PM

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Did someone say Licence To Kill? One of my personal favorites! The movie almost seems like it could've come out of the Cannon film library. ...

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I love LTK but it's a mix of WISEGUY (the TV show) blended with the Live and Let Die novel, and some Lethal Weapon style action. It's still the template for all the Craig era though.

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Craig's movies haven't gotten as silly as the silliest parts of Licence to Kill but LTK is still better than them. And I say that as someone who likes it but still finds it overrated.

I agree that with all the irritating silliness and slovenly filmmaking -- it's not well-made under John Glen's direction -- Licence to Kill is still better than the Craig films. There was an outstanding script at the core of Licence to Kill before Michael G. Wilson got his sticky fingers into it. But there is no attempt to deconstruct or humiliate the character, no editorializing. I also agree with the remark above comparing Licence to Kill to a Cannon film which was a B movie company. Although I get a kick out of a number of Cannon films, the comparison is not a compliment.

Infernal King · 10-25-2015, 06:10 PM

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I agree that with all the irritating silliness and slovenly filmmaking -- it's not well-made under John Glen's direction -- Licence to Kill is still better than the Craig films. There was an outstanding script at the core of Licence to Kill before Michael G. Wilson got his sticky fingers into it. But there is no attempt to deconstruct or humiliate the character, no editorializing. I also agree with the remark above comparing Licence to Kill to a Cannon film which was a B movie company. Although I get a kick out of a number of Cannon films, the comparison is not a compliment.

Now this post I can completely agree with.

edit: They should have had Sho Kosugi play one of the ninjas.

Richard--W · 10-25-2015, 06:24 PM

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From Russia With Live is the only real spy movie in the franchise. Dr. No starts off that way but by the time they're going up against "the dragon," it's a Bond movie. Still good, though, the first four Bonds are hall of famers (I'd argue for YOLT too but it's silly as hell towards the end).

I would argue, for your eyes only and licence to kill get close

From Russia With Love is a cold war spy film, but so is The Living Daylights.

YOLT is silly all the way through. The should have thrown out that script and started over again. At least it's elegantly made with exciting action and has the advantage of Connery's Bond.

For Your Eyes Only and Licence to Kill had serious in-the-Fleming-groove scripts by Richard Maibaum which were dumbed down and screwed up by Michael G. Wilson. Of the two, I would say that For Your Eyes Only had, at the outset, a brilliant script. You'll note that Roger Moore takes himself more seriously in this one, deny it though he may on the commentary. I really enjoy his performance. It's the first time the audience is made to feel that he is at risk. The prime minister gag at the end and the hokey pre-title sequence were not part of it, originally. The original opening was the sinking of the trawler and the attack on the yacht. Then push into Melina's eyes to start the opening titles and the title song. The underlying idea that Bond was spooked as events began to remind him of his past and afraid that he might be digging two graves -- one for himself and one for his opposition -- was not so much abandoned as not perceived by the idiot director who failed to emphasize it.

If it hadn't been for Wilson's interference and John Glen's plodding direction, For Your Eyes Only and Licence to Kill might have been two of the strongest and most memorable entries in the franchise. Still, with all the flaws considered, they've got better material to build on than any of the Craig films.

imsounoriginal · 10-25-2015, 07:04 PM

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Craig's movies haven't gotten as silly as the silliest parts of Licence to Kill but LTK is still better than them. And I say that as someone who likes it but still finds it overrated.

Is LTK generally well-regarded? If anything I've always found it underrated, with Living Daylights inexplicably getting most of the praise when it comes to Dalton's run.

dvdmike · 10-25-2015, 07:15 PM

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Is LTK generally well-regarded? If anything I've always found it underrated, with Living Daylights inexplicably getting most of the praise when it comes to Dalton's run.

Indeed, it was ahread of its time

StingingVelvet · 10-25-2015, 07:42 PM

I prefer Living Daylights, because it feels more like a Bond movie and has a strong romance element, but LTK is very good too. I wish Dalton did more Bonds. They're so different from Moore and Brosnan, and have that fun 80's feel.

dvdmike · 10-25-2015, 07:45 PM

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I prefer Living Daylights, because it feels more like a Bond movie and has a strong romance element, but LTK is very good too. I wish Dalton did more Bonds. They're so different from Moore and Brosnan, and have that fun 80's feel.

That's why goldeneye is any good, it was written partly for him and was less Brosnan.
Daylights is a good bridge to the Fleming Bond darkness that kill introduced.
And so good Nolan (spits) ripped it off

And now I am watching it!

dgoswald · 10-25-2015, 08:02 PM

Dalton in GoldenEye... oh my days, that had the potential to be THE greatest Bond film of all time.

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10-25-2015, 01:40 PM	#2965
travisbickle Banned Member since:Sep 2009 Location:Florida DVD collection:105 Trading Score:47	Did someone say Licence To Kill? One of my personal favorites! The movie almost seems like it could've come out of the Cannon film library. Great villains (Davi and Del Toro> honeymooooon.....) some nasty violence, and one of the hottest Bond girls, IMO....Carey Lowell. And Dalton is great. Way better than old lady Moore. Connery>Craig>Dalton

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Geoff D Blu-ray Emperor Top contributor Member since:Feb 2009 Location:Swanage, Engerland 4K collection:1348 Blu-ray collection:2525 Blu-ray reviews: 6 Trading Score:33	Please note: do not spoiler or leave out quoted images of Carey Lowell, repeat them as often as possible.

10-25-2015, 05:33 PM	#2969
Daredevil666 Power Member Member since:Feb 2008 Location:Future Earth Blu-ray reviews:1	I love LTK but it's a mix of WISEGUY (the TV show) blended with the Live and Let Die novel, and some Lethal Weapon style action. It's still the template for all the Craig era though.

10-25-2015, 07:42 PM	#2978
StingingVelvet Blu-ray Grand Duke Member since:Jan 2014 Location:Philadelphia, PA 4K collection:852 Blu-ray collection:2331 DVD collection:111 Digital collection:12 Trading Score:69	I prefer Living Daylights, because it feels more like a Bond movie and has a strong romance element, but LTK is very good too. I wish Dalton did more Bonds. They're so different from Moore and Brosnan, and have that fun 80's feel.

10-25-2015, 08:02 PM	#2980
dgoswald Blu-ray Knight Member since:May 2015 Location:Erath Blu-ray collection:61	Dalton in GoldenEye... oh my days, that had the potential to be THE greatest Bond film of all time.

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