Ant-Man (2015)

[Petra_Kalbrain]

Originally Posted by master gandhi

I don't care for the car analogy (a lot of people like choosing the color of their car, and people don't question a person for disliking a shade of blue), but I agree that the aspect ratio is not up to the viewer. I hated the separate widescreen/fullscreen DVDs back in the day. It was enabling viewers to alter the director's intended framing. After all, a good portion of movies out there are 1.85:1 as opposed to 2.35:1. I can certainly see someone preferring one aspect ratio over another, but to borderline boycott a movie for being in an aspect ratio that you dislike is unusual for a film lover. IMO, of course.

Yes, people like choosing the colour of their car and obviously people have a preference. And I am most certainly not questioning anyone for disliking a colour. However, in the grand scheme of things, the colour of the car doesn't really matter. It's how the car handles, how powerful it is, and the quality of the parts that make up that car that ultimately makes up the enjoyment factor of driving it. In my analogy, those factors are equated to the quality of the writing, directing, acting, staging, design, etc. Picking the aspect ratio of a film as a means of affecting a viewing experience negatively is like saying that all cars that are painted blue are terrible cars to drive.

But, regardless of that analogy, I know that we are on the same page here.

I just want spencer777 to realize too that I'm not trying to feud or fight. I'm just trying to rationally determine how an aspect ratio can be the limiting factor for their journey through entertainment. Do you honestly believe that if Ant-Man were filmed in 2.35:1 with the exact same framing and editing that it would be any better a film?

[Adam_WM]

[Gold Ranger]

All this Aspect Ratio talk and yet almost no one is arguing AGAINST the A.R. Shift that is happening to the Blu-Ray release of The X-Files...

[spencer777]

Originally Posted by Petra_Kalbrain

Yes, people like choosing the colour of their car and obviously people have a preference. And I am most certainly not questioning anyone for disliking a colour. However, in the grand scheme of things, the colour of the car doesn't really matter. It's how the car handles, how powerful it is, and the quality of the parts that make up that car that ultimately makes up the enjoyment factor of driving it. In my analogy, those factors are equated to the quality of the writing, directing, acting, staging, design, etc. Picking the aspect ratio of a film as a means of affecting a viewing experience negatively is like saying that all cars that are painted blue are terrible cars to drive.

But, regardless of that analogy, I know that we are on the same page here.

I just want spencer777 to realize too that I'm not trying to feud or fight. I'm just trying to rationally determine how an aspect ratio can be the limiting factor for their journey through entertainment. Do you honestly believe that if Ant-Man were filmed in 2.35:1 with the exact same framing and editing that it would be any better a film?

For me yes I think the wider aspect ratio ads to the story of the film

[Petra_Kalbrain]

Originally Posted by spencer777

For me yes I think the wider aspect ratio ads to the story of the film

Wow. Ok then. Enjoy... or don't...

[Kevinicus]

Originally Posted by Petra_Kalbrain

Yes, people like choosing the colour of their car and obviously people have a preference. And I am most certainly not questioning anyone for disliking a colour. However, in the grand scheme of things, the colour of the car doesn't really matter. It's how the car handles, how powerful it is, and the quality of the parts that make up that car that ultimately makes up the enjoyment factor of driving it. In my analogy, those factors are equated to the quality of the writing, directing, acting, staging, design, etc. Picking the aspect ratio of a film as a means of affecting a viewing experience negatively is like saying that all cars that are painted blue are terrible cars to drive.

But, regardless of that analogy, I know that we are on the same page here.

I just want spencer777 to realize too that I'm not trying to feud or fight. I'm just trying to rationally determine how an aspect ratio can be the limiting factor for their journey through entertainment. Do you honestly believe that if Ant-Man were filmed in 2.35:1 with the exact same framing and editing that it would be any better a film?

Wouldn't the framing necessarily be different with a different aspect ratio?

Not to support his idea that the aspect ratio would influence the story (though I'm sure with some real creativity, it could), the aspect ratio can impact how the movie is portrayed/perceived. Of course, you hope the director chose the best one for whatever they were trying to convey to the viewer.

Personally, I prefer 2.35, because A: It feels more grand, and B: I have a 2.35 screen that I like to fill up. I would never forgo buying a movie based on the aspect ratio though (unless we're talking "Full Screen" crap from the DVD era).

[Gold Ranger]

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[StingingVelvet]

I do prefer scope for movies by a wide margin, though I would never say 1.85 is "bad" or be turned off a movie because of it. Though The Avengers being filmed in literal TV ratio of 1.78 DID turn me right off, I need those thin bars or else it looks like the next episode of Agents of Shield.

[Seymour]

Originally Posted by StingingVelvet

I do prefer scope for movies by a wide margin, though I would never say 1.85 is "bad" or be turned off a movie because of it. Though The Avengers being filmed in literal TV ratio of 1.78 DID turn me right off, I need those thin bars or else it looks like the next episode of Agents of Shield.

I don't think it's that hard to tell the difference between a movie with a $220 million budget, and a TV show on ABC.

[motorheadache95]

I can't imagine being put off by a movie because it's in 1.85:1. It's like well, I'd love to watch The Godfather, or Aliens, or Goodfellas, or any Miyazaki film, or Taxi Driver, or The Avengers, or The Terminator, or any Stanley Kubrick movie, or the Back to the Future trilogy, or 90% of all comedies... but no thanks. They don't make black bars on my TV.

[Petra_Kalbrain]

Originally Posted by Sman

They chose 1:85:1 because they felt it would be best considering the size of their hero. I think if it was filmed in 2:35:1 it would take away from the scenes where Scott is shrunk. I'm sure if Marvel felt 2:35:1 was the best choice they would have used it since all of their other films excluding The Avengers (which was 1:78:1 due to the Battle of New York scenes) have it. I feel like the director knows what is best for his film so as long as the aspect ratio is approved by him, I could care less what it was filmed in.

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[StingingVelvet]

Originally Posted by Seymour

I don't think it's that hard to tell the difference between a movie with a $220 million budget, and a TV show on ABC.

Filling the entire screen just makes me think TV show, for obvious reasons. If you have your TV properly setup than a 1.85 movie will have bars that make it feel more like a film. Avengers does not, which throws me off. Also Whedon wasn't exactly hitting the ball out of the park with shot design in that movie either, IMO. He did much better with Ultron though (which is also scope, yay!).

[Gold Ranger]

Originally Posted by StingingVelvet

Filling the entire screen just makes me think TV show, for obvious reasons. If you have your TV properly setup than a 1.85 movie will have bars that make it feel more like a film. Avengers does not, which throws me off. Also Whedon wasn't exactly hitting the ball out of the park with shot design in that movie either, IMO. He did much better with Ultron though (which is also scope, yay!).

He also used a POS iphone to shoot a scene in it...

So glad Joss is gone from Marvel!