F5300 Gaming Troubles

[Herry Dunston]

I've been reducing the cell light to 15 since that movie. Not sure if that's an acceptable number.

[Kryptonic]

I keep the cell light at 20, contrast at 92 in Movie mode. No IR.

[Herry Dunston]

Originally Posted by Kryptonic

I keep the cell light at 20, contrast at 92 in Movie mode. No IR.

Those were MY settings, and I had IR.

[Isambard]

Well, I returned my F5300 over the subtitle image retention issue. Does it sound like I might have had a panel that was somehow defective and that another wouldn't have the same problems? Would it be worth my time to try again with another or could it just be that my viewing habits aren't compatible with the technology's limitations?

[Kryptonic]

Originally Posted by Herry Dunston

Those were MY settings, and I had IR.

Don't know what to tell you. I played a game recently for about 2-3 hours that had a constant HUD and then watched a letterbox movie. No IR that didn't go away after a couple of minutes of full screen content.

[Herry Dunston]

Originally Posted by Kryptonic

Don't know what to tell you. I played a game recently for about 2-3 hours that had a constant HUD and then watched a letterbox movie. No IR that didn't go away after a couple of minutes of full screen content.

Image retention is temporary; of course it's gonna go away after watching a full 16:9 video. I don't have an issue with it NEVER going away, it's not a burn-in problem; my issue is having IR in general.

But I guess that can't be helped if even you have IR.

[Kryptonic]

Originally Posted by Herry Dunston

Image retention is temporary; of course it's gonna go away after watching a full 16:9 video. I don't have an issue with it NEVER going away, it's not a burn-in problem; my issue is having IR in general.

But I guess that can't be helped if even you have IR.

I don't really consider IR that goes away after a few minutes to be a defect. It's just the nature of the technology. Your eyes actually have worse IR than any plasma.

[Herry Dunston]

I blame the eye puzzles on the back of the Apple Jacks cereal.

If you say it isn't a defect, then so be it, though I wish I wouldn't notice them. I bought a Plasma because people say it's the best type of TV out there; I don't wish to regret that purchase.

If nothing else, I didn't notice any serious motion blurs compared to my old LCD TV; it's slightly apparent in the ending credits of movies, but that's about it.

[Kryptonic]

Originally Posted by Herry Dunston

I blame the eye puzzles on the back of the Apple Jacks cereal.

If you say it isn't a defect, then so be it, though I wish I wouldn't notice them. I bought a Plasma because people say it's the best type of TV out there; I don't wish to regret that purchase.

If nothing else, I didn't notice any serious motion blurs compared to my old LCD TV; it's slightly apparent in the ending credits of movies, but that's about it.

Plasma's do offer the best picture you can get on an HDTV and they do so at a substantially lower price than any comparable LCD costing many times as much will provide. So you have some IR that lasts for a few minutes. I will easily take that over LCD's poor viewing angles, lackluster black levels, poor color accuracy, and terrible motion/frame rate.

[Herry Dunston]

Playing Dark Souls really did a number on the screen. Because I had my character maintain her human form for a while, and the humanity number brights up on the top left, image number retains. I blame myself for playing it for so many hours.

I'm running the TV with a full-screen movie and using the scrolling option on the main menu, but the image retention is being a pain-in-the-ass to remove. I sure hope this goes away after a few days.

[barrgervais]

Originally Posted by Isambard

Well, I returned my F5300 over the subtitle image retention issue. Does it sound like I might have had a panel that was somehow defective and that another wouldn't have the same problems? Would it be worth my time to try again with another or could it just be that my viewing habits aren't compatible with the technology's limitations?

I watched a whole baseball season in 2014 and MLB Network when I wasn't watching a game now those channels should be avoided if you are IR paranoid but my PN51F5500 any image retention disappears IR is not a defect....

[Herry Dunston]

After two days of constant watching, the image retention is now gone. Phew.

[Midnight Rambler]

Originally Posted by Herry Dunston

After two days of constant watching, the image retention is now gone. Phew.

Why don't you try one of the various plasma "break in" discs ? Running one should do the trick and in much shorter time. Also, many TV's and/or calibration discs have "pixel flippers" or similar app which will also help with IR ...

[Herry Dunston]

I don't have the resources to use those discs. Didn't think about using pixel flipper, which I read gives the same result from a youtube video.

That's something I'll consider the next time this happens again, but really it SHOULDN'T happen again. I've been running this plasma for two months now, it should already be broken in.

[Herry Dunston]

It's been exactly one year since I own this Samsung plasma, and it's STILL susceptible of burn-ins. Doing one heck of a recovery (constant HD viewing, Scrolling Mode) after playing Bloodborne for so long that its GUI is leaving a print; deja vu, giving who made the game.

[Dynamo of Eternia]

Yeah, I think this whole "burn in is a thing of the past" isn't as true as some would believe it to be.

I made a lengthy post almost 2 months ago in this thread about burn-in:
https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...=245844&page=8

I bought a Samsung 64" F8500 Plasma last year (which was their highest end one available before Plasmas were discontinued, if I am not mistaken).

Overall I had been careful about trying to avoid leaving static images on the screen for too long. Even when it comes to gaming, I would make sure not to leave anything with a HUD on it for too long, and vary which games I play. And I don't game on it often.

But ironically, when I did go to play a game on it back in October (Mario Marker for Wii U), I noticed an issue that came from regular TV viewing. Most of what my wife and I watch on TV have transparent logos, with the exception of the local channel 5 news (which is the NBC channel where we live), which has a bright white 5 in the corner (this is only during the news... during other programming any logos are transparent). We don't watch it constantly with nothing else in between. It maybe would average an hour or so of our viewing each day, and we typically would keep the TV on from the time we get home from work, and then set a sleep timer on it to go off a couple of hours after we go to bed (leaving it on a channel with no logos, etc.)

The retention wasn't noticeable during normal viewing, which is probably why I hadn't previously noticed. But Mario Maker has a bright yellow title screen that (except for the title wording) is mostly all solid yellow. When I turned that on back in October, I noticed the 5 in the corner and freaked out.

Since then, I've made it a point not to have it on screen at all (when we watch the news, I use the TV's aspect ratio adjustments to stretch out the picture and move the "5" offscreen). I also at one point picked up the Disney WOW calibration disc with a pixel flipper feature. And with the exception of when we were out of town on vacation last month for about a week and half, we have run a lot of varied content on it every day. Sometimes all day if we are at home. I've also been leaving the TV on stations with no logo overnight.

It has gotten better and more faint, but the "5" is still there. It does take more effort for me to see it, even on solid color screens, but it is definitely still there almost 2 months later. I hope with time it continues to improve, but I am not holding my breath.

Like I said earlier, luckily I can't see it during normal viewing. But I also think this is how burn in can kind of "sneak up" on people. I'm not saying that all plasmas necessarily have this problem, but I do think that in some instances when people say that they don't/never have had burn in, maybe it is there in some minor form like mine, but they don't see it during normal viewing. At least not until when/if it gets worse and "accumulates" over time if the same image is repeatedly on the screen, eventually leading to it being noticeable during normal viewing.

I'm at least glad that I found it when I did and how I did, so that I could change our viewing habits before it got worse and become more pronounced.

[Herry Dunston]

Well, the Cartoon Network watermark has recently burned into my plasma screen, and it seems to stay in there for good. After many days of burn-in recovery, it's still faded-in place. Spending more than two hours with the channel really screwed up my screen.

I understand the qualities of having Plasma, but with my viewing habits, the fallacies themselves isn't quite worth owning one. But hey, it's only $500 and I don't plan to get rid of it anytime soon.