Why Your New HDTV is Already History - Blu-ray Forum

ReduxInflux · 06-22-2007, 09:27 PM

While searching for a TV to buy, I ran across these articles.
I guess I'm supposed to be patient...

http://tv.about.com/od/hdtv/p/HDMIintro.htm

http://www.avreview.co.uk/news/artic...AN/791/v/1/sp/

can anyone direct me to HDMI 1.3 compatible TV's (please)? i'm having a hard time finding one... (my sleuthing skills are amateur)

jermwhl · 06-22-2007, 09:31 PM

oooh...you done stirred up a bee's nest with this one!

ReduxInflux · 06-22-2007, 09:47 PM

just want some honest discussion here. we gots to face the future people. what does the introduction of hdmi 1.3 mean for the future and our future proof tvs and their warranties? i have a 42 inch rear projection sony and i love it but im up for an upgrade now im in a quandry with this whole 1.3 business.
so what do y'all think? (i just spent the weekend in texas)

Dadds · 06-22-2007, 09:50 PM

Thats why you tell yourself I will just buy a new one every 2 to 3 years. I will wait aobut 2 more years before I upgrade my TV again.

MasterXeus · 06-22-2007, 09:51 PM

I wish I could help, but I don't know any HDMI 1.3 compatible TVs. It's a good question.

ReduxInflux · 06-23-2007, 12:03 AM

there have to be some out there...and by the way, do you think with the release of hdmi 1.3 compatible TVs that the current 1.1 models will plummet in price?

Memnoch · 06-23-2007, 12:49 AM

I bought a Samsung HL-T6189S a month or two back from ABT in Chicago for $2400 (MSRP $3200). It is a 1080p, 61 inch, DLP (rear projection), HDTV with HDMI 1.3. This is a brand new line that runs off an LED light engine and is considered "thin" for rear projection TVs. I have it hooked up to a PS3 (HDMI 1.3), Wii, and an Onkyo 605 (HDMI 1.3) that I bought from JRs for $400 (MSRP $600) about a week or two back. That is the best I could do, as far as 1.3 is concerned. Everything looks and sounds amazing. I am a huge NIN fan so when their BD Beside You In Time came out, I had to get it. So I got all this stuff so I could see and hear it the best possible way. It was worth every penny. Good luck.

FilmmakingFiasco · 06-23-2007, 01:49 AM

Correct me if I'm wrong but doesn't the CONTENT have to support the 1.3 standard to get anything worthwhile out of it?

WriteSimply · 06-23-2007, 03:45 AM

Your HDTV need not have HDMI 1.3 to fully enjoy BD.

However, if you're an avid amateur videographer/pornographer with a 1080i/p x.v.Color/xvYCC videocamera a HDTV that can support that format would be beneficial to you. It'll give you a wider color gamut (not deeper) than regular HD camera.

In the future, maybe there will be HDTVs that can take the 5.1 PCM audio signal direct from a player to play it in stereo, but that it may also pass it through to a HDMI receiver. With this setup, you don't need to turn on the receiver to watch your BD at 4 AM.

fuad

Zaphod · 06-23-2007, 03:50 AM

All I have is a HDMI 1.0 or 1.1 TV (I really don't know which one it is) and the picture is great with my PS3!

macbluray · 06-23-2007, 04:04 AM

i suggest the brand new samsung LN T5265F its their new model for 2007 top of the line it's better than sonys bravia line from last year but yea its 1.3 hdmi also you have to have a 1.3 hdmi cable which only sony sells right now problably get the cable from gamecrazy i have both OF THESE !!!!!!! WILL DO GOOD WITH YOUR 1.3 hdmi PS3 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

get the tv at best buy

takezo · 06-23-2007, 04:06 AM

Huh, the article is just dumb. 8 bit color? Does anyone know what 8 - bit color is?

set your desktop to 8-bit color. That's only 256 colors. VCDs have a larger color palete than that.

32-bit color allows 16 million colors which is supported by DVI. HDMi is DVI with audio

Unles they ment a 8-bit interface for 1.2. This means data travels in 8-bit wide sequences. HDMI 1.3 suports a 16 bit interface for color thus doubling the data bandwith for color.

IamNhobdy · 06-23-2007, 04:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WriteSimply

In the future, maybe there will be HDTVs that can take the 5.1 PCM audio signal direct from a player to play it in stereo, but that it may also pass it through to a HDMI receiver. With this setup, you don't need to turn on the receiver to watch your BD at 4 AM.

yea, but I still would heheh

Aaron · 06-23-2007, 04:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WriteSimply

Your HDTV need not have HDMI 1.3 to fully enjoy BD.

However, if you're an avid amateur videographer/pornographer

fuad

LMAO!

dakota81 · 06-23-2007, 05:48 AM

By the time you get all excited to buy into the hype that is HDMI 1.3, you'll be hearing about all the advantages of HDMI 1.4. Better technology comes every year. There's always something new just around the corner.

Just buy something and be happy with it.

ForceMd · 06-23-2007, 08:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by takezo

Huh, the article is just dumb. 8 bit color? Does anyone know what 8 - bit color is?

set your desktop to 8-bit color. That's only 256 colors. VCDs have a larger color palete than that.

32-bit color allows 16 million colors which is supported by DVI. HDMi is DVI with audio

Unles they ment a 8-bit interface for 1.2. This means data travels in 8-bit wide sequences. HDMI 1.3 suports a 16 bit interface for color thus doubling the data bandwith for color.

There are two ways that color bit depth is reported. You are referring to the way that HDTV manufacturers report the bit depth of their displays, which only lists the bit depth of one of the 3 primary colors used in the display technology (red, green and blue) which is why the number is small. Do not confuse this with the bit depth settings that you would find in your computer's "display settings" which reports the bit depth of all primary colors.

An HDTV with "8-bit color" is actually the equivalent of selecting "24-bit" in your PC's "display settings". The newer "10-bit" HDTV's are the equivalent of choosing "32-bit" in a PC's display settings.

Keep in mind that all but a select few PC monitors are only 24-bit (or 8-bit) monitors. (32-bit monitors are mostly high end monitors targeted at CAD design). Most people who select "32-bit" in the windows display settings are not seeing any difference than selecting "24-bit".

Very few people have actually experienced the color depth that these next gen 10-bit (xvcolor/deepcolor) HDTVs will offer, and very few if any of todays sources (DVD, HDDVD, Blu-ray) will have the massive color information that would take advantage of these displays.

NutsAboutPS3 · 06-23-2007, 09:22 AM

To go through the points from the article:

Quote:

Why is HDMI 1.3 better than 1.2: A number of specifications are mentioned on the HDMI.org FAQ section. In short, it has a faster bandwidth of 340 MHz (10.2 Gbps) for any higher resolution HDTV that may come along.

Okay, so the 1.3 interface can support higher resolutions than 1080p. Therefore if you buy a 1080p TV with a 1.3 interface you are gaining precisely zero benefit from this improvement.

Quote:

There is also the "deep color" feature that allows 10 to 16-bits of color depth. Prior versions of HDMI allowed up to 8-bits. HDMI 1.3 also has more color space that allows nearly an unlimited variety of colors to be viewed.

This is the only real improvement, but most panels currently can't even fully display 8 bits per channel let alone 10-16. Plus as has been noted already, content would need to be created in this format. So again, if you buy a TV in a few months that has a 1.3 interface, but still has a panel that can't even display 256 distinct levels per channel, you have gained zero benefit from this improvement.

Quote:

Another interesting feature is "lip sync" which bridges the gap between audio and video display limitations that make dialogue and picture seem out of synchronization. The newly compressed "lossless" audio formats such as Dolby True HD and DTS-HD Master Audio(tm) are fully compatible to HDMI 1.3.

Only of interest to people who play the sound through their TV rather than an amp/receiver. Most TVs surely won't have good enough sound quality for the lossless codec support to have any relevance.

Monger · 06-25-2007, 04:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by macbluray

i suggest the brand new samsung LN T5265F its their new model for 2007 top of the line it's better than sonys bravia line from last year but yea its 1.3 hdmi also you have to have a 1.3 hdmi cable which only sony sells right now problably get the cable from gamecrazy i have both OF THESE !!!!!!! WILL DO GOOD WITH YOUR 1.3 hdmi PS3 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

get the tv at best buy

macbluray · 06-27-2007, 11:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Monger

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Aaron · 06-27-2007, 11:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by macbluray

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06-22-2007, 09:27 PM	#1
ReduxInflux Expert Member Member since:Jun 2007 Location:orange county, ca Blu-ray reviews:22 Trading Score:3	Why Your New HDTV is Already History While searching for a TV to buy, I ran across these articles. I guess I'm supposed to be patient... http://tv.about.com/od/hdtv/p/HDMIintro.htm http://www.avreview.co.uk/news/artic...AN/791/v/1/sp/ can anyone direct me to HDMI 1.3 compatible TV's (please)? i'm having a hard time finding one... (my sleuthing skills are amateur) Last edited by ReduxInflux; 06-22-2007 at 09:54 PM.

06-22-2007, 09:47 PM	#3
ReduxInflux Expert Member Member since:Jun 2007 Location:orange county, ca Blu-ray reviews:22 Trading Score:3	ha ha just want some honest discussion here. we gots to face the future people. what does the introduction of hdmi 1.3 mean for the future and our future proof tvs and their warranties? i have a 42 inch rear projection sony and i love it but im up for an upgrade now im in a quandry with this whole 1.3 business. so what do y'all think? (i just spent the weekend in texas)

06-23-2007, 12:03 AM	#6
ReduxInflux Expert Member Member since:Jun 2007 Location:orange county, ca Blu-ray reviews:22 Trading Score:3	... there have to be some out there...and by the way, do you think with the release of hdmi 1.3 compatible TVs that the current 1.1 models will plummet in price?

06-23-2007, 04:04 AM	#11
macbluray Junior Member Member since:Jun 2007	i have tv hdmi 1.3 i suggest the brand new samsung LN T5265F its their new model for 2007 top of the line it's better than sonys bravia line from last year but yea its 1.3 hdmi also you have to have a 1.3 hdmi cable which only sony sells right now problably get the cable from gamecrazy i have both OF THESE !!!!!!! WILL DO GOOD WITH YOUR 1.3 hdmi PS3 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! get the tv at best buy

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06-22-2007, 09:31 PM	#2
jermwhl Special Member Member since:Jan 2007 Location:Virginia	oooh...you done stirred up a bee's nest with this one!

06-22-2007, 09:50 PM	#4
Dadds Special Member Member since:Jun 2007 Location:South NJ Blu-ray reviews:3	Thats why you tell yourself I will just buy a new one every 2 to 3 years. I will wait aobut 2 more years before I upgrade my TV again.

06-22-2007, 09:51 PM	#5
MasterXeus Power Member Member since:Mar 2007	I wish I could help, but I don't know any HDMI 1.3 compatible TVs. It's a good question.

06-23-2007, 12:49 AM	#7
Memnoch Expert Member Member since:Jun 2007 Location:Northern VA 4K collection:185 Blu-ray collection:185 Trading Score:1	I bought a Samsung HL-T6189S a month or two back from ABT in Chicago for $2400 (MSRP $3200). It is a 1080p, 61 inch, DLP (rear projection), HDTV with HDMI 1.3. This is a brand new line that runs off an LED light engine and is considered "thin" for rear projection TVs. I have it hooked up to a PS3 (HDMI 1.3), Wii, and an Onkyo 605 (HDMI 1.3) that I bought from JRs for $400 (MSRP $600) about a week or two back. That is the best I could do, as far as 1.3 is concerned. Everything looks and sounds amazing. I am a huge NIN fan so when their BD Beside You In Time came out, I had to get it. So I got all this stuff so I could see and hear it the best possible way. It was worth every penny. Good luck.

06-23-2007, 01:49 AM	#8
FilmmakingFiasco Expert Member Member since:Jan 2007 Location:Minneapolis, MN Blu-ray collection:297 Trading Score:17	Correct me if I'm wrong but doesn't the CONTENT have to support the 1.3 standard to get anything worthwhile out of it?

06-23-2007, 03:45 AM	#9
WriteSimply Blu-ray Ninja Member since:Sep 2006 Location:Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia	Your HDTV need not have HDMI 1.3 to fully enjoy BD. However, if you're an avid amateur videographer/pornographer with a 1080i/p x.v.Color/xvYCC videocamera a HDTV that can support that format would be beneficial to you. It'll give you a wider color gamut (not deeper) than regular HD camera. In the future, maybe there will be HDTVs that can take the 5.1 PCM audio signal direct from a player to play it in stereo, but that it may also pass it through to a HDMI receiver. With this setup, you don't need to turn on the receiver to watch your BD at 4 AM. fuad

06-23-2007, 03:50 AM	#10
Zaphod Blu-ray Samurai Member since:Apr 2007 Location:A small planet somewhere in the vicinity of Betelgeuse. Blu-ray collection:350 Trading Score:4	All I have is a HDMI 1.0 or 1.1 TV (I really don't know which one it is) and the picture is great with my PS3!

06-23-2007, 04:06 AM	#12
takezo Active Member Member since:Aug 2006	Huh, the article is just dumb. 8 bit color? Does anyone know what 8 - bit color is? set your desktop to 8-bit color. That's only 256 colors. VCDs have a larger color palete than that. 32-bit color allows 16 million colors which is supported by DVI. HDMi is DVI with audio Unles they ment a 8-bit interface for 1.2. This means data travels in 8-bit wide sequences. HDMI 1.3 suports a 16 bit interface for color thus doubling the data bandwith for color.

06-23-2007, 05:48 AM	#15
dakota81 Expert Member Member since:Apr 2007	By the time you get all excited to buy into the hype that is HDMI 1.3, you'll be hearing about all the advantages of HDMI 1.4. Better technology comes every year. There's always something new just around the corner. Just buy something and be happy with it.

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