Oh noes teh sky is falling!

[HD Goofnut]

Originally Posted by IXOYE1989

Wouldn't that require you to rip your blu-ray disk to create MKV files? How do you rip blu-ray movies? I thought there were legal issues regarding ripping movies.

With a legal program called AnyDVD HD. I rip them all the time for backup purposes.

[bigshot]

I am Director of a non-profit digital archive serving filmmakers. The copyright office has given us extended fair use provisions that allow ripping encrypted discs. We use MakeMKV, Handbrake and MKVToolNix.

For those interested in the exemptions to copyright law when it comes to this, see...
http://copyright.gov/1201/

[bigshot]

Originally Posted by mogwai_macabre

I played around with Plex a few years ago and didn't like how it handled special features. I think I converted to MKV and the features were just Title01, Title02, etc. which wasn't very helpful. I don't recall how it handled commentary tracks.

There is a naming convention for files that the scraper uses to download images and data about the file. There's a naming convention for behind the scenes, trailers and other forms of supplements as well. You can also create custom data fields that bypass the scraped ones. Commentary tracks are just alternate soundtracks. You can select that from within Plex as it plays.

Plex is a swiss army knife of a program (as is Kodi). There is a learning curve, but once your files are named and imported, it handles everything seamlessly.

[bigshot]

Originally Posted by HD Goofnut

I have been slowly doing this with my collection using external hard drives. I am to 17 TBs and I need close to 50 TBs.

My non-profit is getting close to 100TB including backups. That isn't just movie files. It includes a lot of media files like images, audio interviews and text articles as well.

I think in the not-to-distant future, homes will have media servers and hard disc arrays, just like they have refrigerators and microwave ovens now.

[cakefactory]

Originally Posted by HD Goofnut

With a legal program called AnyDVD HD. I rip them all the time for backup purposes.

The program is NOT legal in the USA, as it is illegal to bypass DRM. You will note that the company is based out of a different country. Obviously it's a ridiculous law and morally you should be able to back up anything you want and the odds of getting persecuted are practically nil, but it's still illegal.

http://lifehacker.com/5978326/is-it-...dvd-that-i-own

Ripping CDs is legal since the RIAA allowed it, but the MPAA is still rigid when it comes to movies.

[HD Goofnut]

Originally Posted by cakefactory

The program is NOT legal in the USA, as it is illegal to bypass DRM. You will note that the company is based out of a different country. Obviously it's a ridiculous law and morally you should be able to back up anything you want and the odds of getting persecuted are practically nil, but it's still illegal.

http://lifehacker.com/5978326/is-it-...dvd-that-i-own

Ripping CDs is legal since the RIAA allowed it, but the MPAA is still rigid when it comes to movies.

Well, it's certainly not immoral to back them up. Now, ripping/burning then selling yeah that's immoral and illegal. The Chinese can tell you all about that.

[cakefactory]

Originally Posted by HD Goofnut

Well, it's certainly not immoral to back them up. Now, ripping/burning then selling yeah that's immoral and illegal. The Chinese can tell you all about that.

Right, I agree anyone should be able to back them up, and I have 0 problem whatsoever with people that do it. It's just false to say it's legal. At least in the USA, it absolutely is not unless you somehow have a disc with no DRM on it whatsoever (I don't think any blu-rays fall into that boat. Maybe some PD ones?).

[Nostromo]

Definitely feel that (for me) in order to truly own a movie, I need to own the actual physical copy. I like having the physical copy for the PQ, special features, and just knowing that if my wifi goes out, I can just pop in the disc and watch the movie.

Ironically, when it comes to actually watching the movie, I prefer streaming and the digital copies of my movies. The first time I watch a movie, I always watch the blu for the full experience.

After that, if I'm flipping through Netflix, Hulu, Amazon or my digital copies on Roku, I'll often click the digital version to watch, especially when I flip through multiple movies before finally settling on one to watch. And it's great to have digital versions available when I'm traveling.

But for pure collecting, nothing beats the BLU in my opinion.

[rdodolak]

Originally Posted by cakefactory

Right, I agree anyone should be able to back them up, and I have 0 problem whatsoever with people that do it. It's just false to say it's legal. At least in the USA, it absolutely is not unless you somehow have a disc with no DRM on it whatsoever (I don't think any blu-rays fall into that boat. Maybe some PD ones?).

But it not as black and white as the AACS LA would like people to think. There are exemptions to that law that the Librarian of Congress grants; as alluded to by bigshot. In which case the software and making backups becomes perfectly legal.

[cakefactory]

Originally Posted by rdodolak

But it not as black and white as the AACS LA would like people to think. There are exemptions to that law that the Librarian of Congress grants; as alluded to by bigshot. In which case the software and making backups becomes perfectly legal.

None of those exemptions apply to private citizens making personal copies.

[Musicguy]

Originally Posted by bigshot

If I could magically snap my fingers and instantly have all 8 thousand video discs in our collection.

8,000 discs? If you watch 3 films a day it would take you 7 years to watch each one once!

[Bates_Motel]

Originally Posted by Nostromo

Definitely feel that (for me) in order to truly own a movie, I need to own the actual physical copy. I like having the physical copy for the PQ, special features, and just knowing that if my wifi goes out, I can just pop in the disc and watch the movie.

Ironically, when it comes to actually watching the movie, I prefer streaming and the digital copies of my movies. The first time I watch a movie, I always watch the blu for the full experience.

After that, if I'm flipping through Netflix, Hulu, Amazon or my digital copies on Roku, I'll often click the digital version to watch, especially when I flip through multiple movies before finally settling on one to watch. And it's great to have digital versions available when I'm traveling.

But for pure collecting, nothing beats the BLU in my opinion.

You don't need wi-fi to play a digital download.

[CyberAthlete]

Originally Posted by adamclark83

In my country's Stack magazine that I get from JB Hi-Fi, there's an interview with Quentin Tarantino about his latest movie and he says he will always choose physical discs over digital downloads. Until he actually has a movie on disc in his hand, he won't feel he truly owns it.

Times are changing. I used to feel the same way about my video games but for the past few years I've just been purchasing digital copies and have not missed having physical media for games.

I understand that for movies it's a little different as the game graphics and sound are 100% the same and intact for both physical and digital downloads. If movie downloads came with the same experience, I would choose that over physical copies.

You don't have to get up to change a movie. You have your entire collection at your finger tips. Switch out in an an instant and preview movies at an instant.

The future generation will grow up with digital media and will most likely prefer it that way. You can try to convince them that it's not the same but since they belong to a different time it doesn't matter how things used to be in the past. It's the same with us, audio purists argue you have to experience music on LPs and a killer sound system, but today's kids have accepted Beats and listening to digital music on the go as their lifestyle.

[I KEEL YOU]

Originally Posted by CyberAthlete

You don't have to get up to change a movie. You have your entire collection at your finger tips.

Yeah, those 30 seconds are a real pain in the ass. Should definitely be a determining factor for everyone when switching over to digital.

Some people still treat movies like they're something special and not TV channels that are to be flipped through before you find one that can grab your attention for more than 5 seconds.

And as for your games example, there are literally dozens of games that used to be available on Xbox Live Arcade and PSN over the last decade but CANNOT be downloaded anymore. I already mentioned this, but I have a ton of old school arcade games on my Xbox 360 that I occasionally enjoy revisiting that can't be downloaded again. And if my Xbox 360 breaks down, I may be never able to play them again, even though I made sure to make backups on USB keys. I notice you have Ryu on your avatar. Make sure you download Marvel Vs Capcom 2 from Xbox Live/PSN so that you can play as him in that great game. Oh, that's right: YOU CAN'T! Unless you downloaded it back when it was available for purchase, of course. I can understand that these games could only be released digitally due to economic reasons, but they still point out the flaw of digital downloading.

While you may be right about games being of the same quality whether they're on physical media or digitally downloaded, it is still evident that physical media is the way to go for archival purposes. I don't own an Xbox One, but I think that it would be a tragedy if a physical copy of a complete Killer Instinct is not released once season 3 ends. It's a great game and it would suck if it was only available digitally because some years from now who knows whether it will be available. Hell, the entire Xbox Live service itself might be shut down 5 years from now.

[Musicguy]

Originally Posted by I KEEL YOU

And as for your games example, there are literally dozens of games that used to be available on Xbox Live Arcade and PSN over the last decade but CANNOT be downloaded anymore..

I worked in Home Video for years and nothing lasts forever - contracts are for a specific time and many times aren't renewed. A film can disappear over night for many reasons and all of a sudden it's gone until something can be worked out - which sometimes can take years and then the elements have deteriorated, or the music isn't up for contract or some one dies and the estate wants too much money etc. A bird in the hand . . . the next generation will appreciate this. I own dozens of older films which are no longer available anywhere

[cakefactory]

Originally Posted by I KEEL YOU

Yeah, those 30 seconds are a real pain in the ass. Should definitely be a determining factor for everyone when switching over to digital.

Some people still treat movies like they're something special and not TV channels that are to be flipped through before you find one that can grab your attention for more than 5 seconds.

And as for your games example, there are literally dozens of games that used to be available on Xbox Live Arcade and PSN over the last decade but CANNOT be downloaded anymore. I already mentioned this, but I have a ton of old school arcade games on my Xbox 360 that I occasionally enjoy revisiting that can't be downloaded again. And if my Xbox 360 breaks down, I may be never able to play them again, even though I made sure to make backups on USB keys. I notice you have Ryu on your avatar. Make sure you download Marvel Vs Capcom 2 from Xbox Live/PSN so that you can play as him in that great game. Oh, that's right: YOU CAN'T! Unless you downloaded it back when it was available for purchase, of course. I can understand that these games could only be released digitally due to economic reasons, but they still point out the flaw of digital downloading.

While you may be right about games being of the same quality whether they're on physical media or digitally downloaded, it is still evident that physical media is the way to go for archival purposes. I don't own an Xbox One, but I think that it would be a tragedy if a physical copy of a complete Killer Instinct is not released once season 3 ends. It's a great game and it would suck if it was only available digitally because some years from now who knows whether it will be available. Hell, the entire Xbox Live service itself might be shut down 5 years from now.

While this "removed from electronic store, now you have to keep it on your harddrive forever and hope it doesn't fail!" is infuriating and I've experienced it myself, I dunno how much better the discs are when nothing is backwards compatible. Also, considering the miserable build quality of the PS1/PS2 compared to say, the N64 (I feel like those might still be working in a hundred years), I kinda think the physical media is nearly as unreliable as the digital in these cases...seems like the closest thing to a permanent solution are disc images and emulators!! It's too bad there aren't any 100% accurate emulators for PS1, or anything even remotely close for PS2. I'm glad I got a computer version of silent hill, as the PS version emulates like crud and my PS1 is dead. I wish I could experience Metal Gear Solid again with all the gimmicks like the moving controller, but thanks to Sony's crappy hardware I might never again unless I want to be constantly buying them off of ebay as they fail.

[Canada]

As much as I like the ability of the IPOD for running and also while I'm traveling on the bus, but I love having the physical copy of my music (CD)

[I KEEL YOU]

Originally Posted by cakefactory

While this "removed from electronic store, now you have to keep it on your harddrive forever and hope it doesn't fail!" is infuriating and I've experienced it myself, I dunno how much better the discs are when nothing is backwards compatible. Also, considering the miserable build quality of the PS1/PS2 compared to say, the N64 (I feel like those might still be working in a hundred years), I kinda think the physical media is nearly as unreliable as the digital in these cases...seems like the closest thing to a permanent solution are disc images and emulators!! It's too bad there aren't any 100% accurate emulators for PS1, or anything even remotely close for PS2. I'm glad I got a computer version of silent hill, as the PS version emulates like crud and my PS1 is dead. I wish I could experience Metal Gear Solid again with all the gimmicks like the moving controller, but thanks to Sony's crappy hardware I might never again unless I want to be constantly buying them off of ebay as they fail.

At least you still have the option to buy the consoles off eBay, or garage sales or retro game stores or wherever. There are millions of consoles available out there for every major console so there will always be options to find a working console that may even be in new condition. In the case of downloadable games that were removed - you're screwed. Zero other options.

There were great emulators for early generation consoles available for years now, but no progress has been made since: As soon as you get to the PS1/Saturn/N64 generation things get problematic and many games run poorly or indeed don't work at all. It's been like this for years now.

[PrestigeWorldwide]

Originally Posted by cakefactory

It's too bad there aren't any 100% accurate emulators for PS1, .... I'm glad I got a computer version of silent hill, as the PS version emulates like crud and my PS1 is dead. I wish I could experience Metal Gear Solid ....

You know that all PS3's can play PS1 games, right? Sony only removed PS2 BC from the PS3. I've played MGS1 on a PS3 and it played just fine.

[StingingVelvet]

Originally Posted by CyberAthlete

I understand that for movies it's a little different as the game graphics and sound are 100% the same and intact for both physical and digital downloads. If movie downloads came with the same experience, I would choose that over physical copies.

Yeah, I went digital for games and music almost right away because the experience was the same for me, quality wise. I know MP3s are actually lower in quality but I never noticed and am not into music enough to care. So for me those were easy decisions. With movies though the quality drop is very noticeable for me and the DRM/no ownership aspect really bugs me, because I care more about movies.

Also I stopped gaming 4-5 years ago and now all my digital purchases are worthless, which is worth keeping in mind. If I stopped watching movies tomorrow I could sell them all and at least make a couple grand. My Steam/GOG accounts are worthless.