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Old 07-30-2016, 04:50 PM   #41
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Days of Heaven next please!
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Oh yes! Another one of those transfers that's very far from the best it could look on Blu-ray.

These movies could well have haloing in the source due to some kind of lens or film effect, it's not that unusual to see stuff like this in older westerns for example, but the halos are never that clearly delineated so I have no doubt a lot of what's in Paris, Texas and Days of Heaven is due to digital "enhancement".
I'm sorry but you guys are insane.

Days of Heaven looks just fine on blu.

If that's a bad transfer, then your standards are simply way too high.
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Old 07-30-2016, 05:12 PM   #42
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I think that the Criterion Blu-ray of Paris, Texas looks outstanding. It's one of my favorite Criterion Blu-rays, in fact.
For a DVD I'd say. Not for a Blu-ray. It's one of my favorites in the collection too, but it could stand to have a lot more detail and less of a processed look. It really needed a new scan without the digital manipulation.
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Old 07-30-2016, 05:17 PM   #43
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I'm sorry but you guys are insane.

Days of Heaven looks just fine on blu.

If that's a bad transfer, then your standards are simply way too high.
I wouldn't say bad, it looks fine, better than Paris, Texas. Not worth a 5/5 from this site though. It could easily look better.
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Old 07-30-2016, 05:21 PM   #44
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I wouldn't say bad, it looks fine, better than Paris, Texas. Not worth a 5/5 from this site though. It could easily look better.
Yes this site did say it was reference quality.

Might not be perfect for hardcore videophiles.

But the idea that it badly needs a new transfer is a bit much imo.
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Old 07-30-2016, 05:25 PM   #45
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Reactions to Vim Venders films are perplexing to me.

There are people here who think Paris, Texas is one of the greatest films ever made, but The Road Trilogy does nothing for them and vice versa.

Personally I'm in the second camp.

Paris didn't do much for me, but I fell in love with all three films of the trilogy.

Except for a shockingly graphic and repugnant scene in King of The Road.

...I had trouble eating for several days after that one.

I haven't seen the Road Trilogy yet and have been putting it off for some reason. I'm worried that I will be disappointed after my love for Paris, Texas and Wings of Desire. I also really like The American Friend.
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Old 07-30-2016, 05:32 PM   #46
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I haven't seen the Road Trilogy yet and have been putting it off for some reason. I'm worried that I will be disappointed after my love for Paris, Texas and Wings of Desire. I also really like The American Friend.
Unfortunately that appears to be a legitimate possibility.

Loving those two films does not guarantee you will love The Road Trilogy.

...but it does justify a blind buy imo.
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I'm sorry but you guys are insane.

Days of Heaven looks just fine on blu.

If that's a bad transfer, then your standards are simply way too high.
And in my opinion it's the opposite, a lot of people's quality scales seem to max out at mediocrity and everything after that is 5/5 despite there being a huge disparity in quality to the discerning viewer.

My reference point for every title is simply "is this the best the film could possibly look taking into account the source, scanning technology, restoration practices and the limits of the Blu-ray format". A lot of titles come very close where further investment would only yield very incremental improvements.

For Days of Heaven on the other hand there's a quite a bit of room for improvement, much more for Paris, Texas, as evidenced by the fact that a new restoration was done at all (if Criterion's master was so great there would be no need.)

If you think they look amazing then good for you, but to me it doesn't make sense to put them in the same 5/5 category as releases like Lawrence of Arabia or Taxi Driver, all that achieves is to devalue the incredible effort put into those real restorations.

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Does anyone know if this release of Paris, Texas contains the new restoration?
https://www.blu-ray.com/movies/Paris...3816/#Overview

Or how about this release of Wings of Desire?
https://www.blu-ray.com/movies/Cielo...3815/#Overview
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I think I found the answer to my question. The Wings of Desire restoration has not debuted yet which probably means a blu-ray of either restoration is yet to be slated.
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I think I found the answer to my question. The Wings of Desire restoration has not debuted yet which probably means a blu-ray of either restoration is yet to be slated.
I found these caps from the Spanish release and it's the old master, unfortunately:

http://www.mubis.es/titulos/paris-te...pturas-blu-ray
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Wow, wow, wow! The restoration pics look amazing. I hope there's a re-release. I was disappointed in Criterion one. The movie can look a lot better.

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Old 08-25-2016, 07:47 PM   #52
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I really want to get both this and Wings of Desire, but I can't help but wonder if they will rerelease them with the new 4K transfer.
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They don't seem inclined to rerelease Blu-rays. "Beauty and the Beast," "The Leopard," "8 1/2?" and possibly others have had new scans and/or restorations since their releases and have not been upgraded. The cynic in me thinks that if the current releases had do-overs, then how could the previous release have been "definitive," "the best it can look," etc.?
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They don't seem inclined to rerelease Blu-rays. "Beauty and the Beast," "The Leopard," "8 1/2?" and possibly others have had new scans and/or restorations since their releases and have not been upgraded. The cynic in me thinks that if the current releases had do-overs, then how could the previous release have been "definitive," "the best it can look," etc.?
Yeah that's the unfortunate thing about Criterion, they're stubborn about rereleasing something that's been improved elsewhere. But then, they're not alone in that regard. I've heard of The Leopard getting a new restoration but wasn't aware of the other two. Are these three restorations available on Blu-ray and English friendly?
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I really want to get both this and Wings of Desire, but I can't help but wonder if they will rerelease them with the new 4K transfer.
I think there's a chance if Paris, Texas and Wings of Desire are boxed up with some new Wenders on blu-ray. Playtime did get a re-release but only as part of the Tati box.
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I think there's a chance if Paris, Texas and Wings of Desire are boxed up with some new Wenders on blu-ray. Playtime did get a re-release but only as part of the Tati box.

Playtime was remastered for the Tati set, correct?
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Playtime was remastered for the Tati set, correct?
Yes.

First release: "35mm reduction internegative made from the restored 65mm interpositive."

2nd release: "sourced from a new 4K restoration scanned from the original 65mm negative"
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I watched this again last night after first seeing it two years ago and not liking it at all.

I honestly don't know what I was thinking.

It's great.

...so glad I decided to give it a second chance.
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^Really great film. I decided to watch it for Nastassja, but stayed for a great movie. One of my favorite road movies ever, if not favorite.
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Sometimes, you have to put your stack of still-unwatched Blu-rays aside and revisit a favorite. I'm participating one of those Facebook “Post one favorite movie a day for 10 days” trends right now, and this one came to mind, so I decided to watch it yet again.



Travis, a scraggly drifter played by Harry Dean Stanton, walks out of a southwestern desert, dressed in a red baseball cap, a dust-covered suit, a tie, and tattered shoes. He enters a ramshackle saloon, loses consciousness, and falls to the ground. Travis's brother, played by Dean Stockwell, drives from Los Angeles to retrieve his disheveled sibling, only to find that Travis, who simply stares silently and unresponsively with haunted eyes into the horizon, has no explanation for why he has been missing for the past four years.

Upon being brought to Los Angeles and finding out that Hunter, his seven year-old son, has been taken in by his brother and his sister-in-law after having been abandoned years ago by his estranged wife, Jane, played by Nastassja Kinski, Travis gradually earns the trust of the boy while staying with the family and studying old photographs and Super 8 film footage with a grief-stricken fascination. When he decides to travel to Houston in order to find Jane, his choices in the days that follow change the lives of everyone involved.

The title of the 1984 Wim Wenders film, Paris, Texas, evokes a sense of cognitive dissonance, because, even though the town is an actual place, our minds instinctively grapple with images and perceptions of two disparate locations on different continents. This off-kilter aesthetic permeates every aspect of the movie. Early in the story, we are introduced to a German doctor who resides in rural Texas. Travis's brother, Walt, as portrayed by Stockwell, comes across as an all-American everyman, but he is married to an exotic French woman, played wonderfully by Aurore Clément. A scene with Travis polishing and lining up the family's shoes resembles an image from a Yasujirō Ozu Japanese film, and it stands out in contrast to the wide open spaces of the American west and the slide guitar music score by Ry Cooder. Much of this movie deals with travel, and the night scenes of characters stopping by lonely roadside diners, phone booths, and city buildings are bathed in a green neon glow. Wenders, a German director, showcases Americana landscapes with a genuine sense of awe, but certain ingredients feel out of place, and not a moment passes by when we do not realize that we are observing an outsider's idea of this country.

I first saw Paris, Texas roughly a decade ago, long after the 1980s had passed, and my primary reaction was one of gleeful nostalgia for the era captured by the movie, an era when the sight of children riding in the beds of pickup trucks on busy highways was commonplace, when walkie-talkies seemed like cutting edge technology, when two people could communicate with walkie-talkies while stationed at opposite sides of a metropolitan bank and not be arrested within minutes by suspicious policemen, and when billboards that hover over the highways were created with a hands-on artistic attention to detail. With each subsequent viewing, however, I grew to love how the film immerses us in the stories of Stanton's Travis and Kinski's Jane without passing judgment on their behavior or life decisions. The narrative provides multiple callbacks to John Ford's iconic 1956 western, The Searchers, which also dealt with an antihero who returns a child to a home before retreating alone into the unknown, but Wenders is more concerned simply with allowing us to gaze at length into the lives of lost souls. The opening shots show Travis as a tiny figure in the middle of a vast open desert under the sun, but revelations and heartbreak draw us in until we finally observe him up close in a darkened room as he speaks with Jane from the other side of a one-way mirror.

When Harry Dean Stanton passed away in 2017 at the age of 91, I posted on Facebook that the world had become a significantly less cool place. I've always loved how his roles always seemed particularly tailored to his appearance, which could best be described as lean, beleaguered, and world-weary, but ultimately affable. His role as a blue-collar spaceship laborer in Alien, his role as Molly Ringwald's father in Pretty in Pink, his fantastic part as Bud in Repo Man, his hitchhiker scenes in Two-Lane Blacktop, his moments as an ill-fated father in the original Red Dawn, and even his cameo in The Avengers all exuded a comfortably "lived-in" appearance, almost like an unkempt mechanic who has been working at the same car shop down the street for 40 years, but who always has a pleasant spark in his eye. Paris, Texas is Stanton at his best, though. Although he does not utter a word for the first half hour of this movie, he conveys so much with mannerisms and mournful expressions. Even late in the film, when he gives an extended monologue of sorts, a sense of nuanced mystery rules all, and we find out just enough about his character to spark our curiosity and imagination.

Nastassja Kinski, who captured my childhood heart with her role in the 1982 horror remake, Cat People, is one of cinema's great beauties, and, in this film, her appearance benefits from a delayed buildup, in the style of Harry Lime in The Third Man, where her Jane character is introduced to us by way of multiple scenes of other people talking about her before she is finally seen in a crude sunlit Super 8 video. When Jane finally does show up in person in all her lovely blonde glory in the seedy sex club establishment, however, she is depicted in an uncannily low-key way almost in the background while the camera fixates primarily on Travis and his reactions as he is talking to her by telephone inside a peep show booth. The ensuing conversation is one of my absolute favorite character dialogue interactions, as Travis and Jane speak to each other from opposite sides of the mirror, with her bathed in light and him enshrouded in darkness, as if to accentuate the tragic emotional gulf between them that will never again be bridged. Jane's body language and her first signs of recognition when she realizes that she is talking to her old lover are for the ages.

At the end of Paris, Texas, I always want so much more. I want to know the backstory of how the middle-aged Travis met and fell in love with the younger Jane. I want to know what eventually became of the son, Hunter, played by Hunter Carson in a brilliant child actor portrayal, after the final events shown on screen. I want to know if Hunter ever saw his old family again later on. I want to know how Stockwell's Walt first met his French wife. I want to know everything that happened between the idyllic Super 8 vacation footage of the five main characters and Travis's emergence from the desert. In the end, though, all that I have is the blend of joy and sorrow, as dissimilar as the two locations that come to mind from the movie title, as a tearful character drives alone into the night, understanding that, while the fractured pieces of something once beautiful can never be put together again, hope may still be salvaged from the ruins.

Paris, Texas is a tremendous and visually spectacular motion picture that holds more hypnotic power over me with each viewing.

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