Dawn of the Dead (1978) - OUT OF PRINT

[Geoff D]

This question will probably get asked ad infinitum from here on out anyway but, just to confirm, all the Blu-ray discs in the Italian set ARE LOCKED TO REGION B. The UHD is all-region, as per that format's specs.

[Mr Kite]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

Not yet no, I was watching Catching Fire in UHD when Mr Postman rang with my latest haul and now I'm on here talking to you fine people. I feel like launching straight into Mockingjay Pt 1 later but I'll have a quick squiz at Dawn beforehand.

"Lovely Jubbly!", "You know it makes sense.

[Geoff D]

Just having a quick look at the full frame disc now. On virtually every cut there are visible splices which flash at the top and bottom of the frame, naturally these would be framed out on any matted exhibition but here they're SUPER distracting. As fascinating as this version is the splices are too much of an intrusion for it to be taken seriously as a viewing option unless you can overscan the image by about 10% or so.

[chrismac87]

Originally Posted by Dailyan

I'm surprised that no company has released a copy of "Night of the Living Dead" stateside. Maybe someone will scoop up that recent 4K print. I don't know how the copies of the films are in other countries.

I believe that is the plan for the new 4K transfer. I can't see anyone ponying up the money for that only to be like, "We just wanted to screen it a few times."

I imagine announcements of that release will be heading out way in the coming months.

The real trial is whether or not DAWN will ever see another stateside release given the gorging price Rubenstein is asking. That also tapped with the short length of the license is what's scaring folks off. The six figure expectation with from what I was told half the time of a standard licensing contract.

I guess he felt like he lost money when he licensed the film to AB for so many years as they had several releases that sold fairly well. He's not taking into consideration the ever changing physical media market as a factor, he's just going off of their numbers for their 10+ year contract of sales figures. So he thinks he's sitting on a gold mine that he hasn't been able to make a decent chunk of change from for a long amount of time; now he feels like he's owed that and will get it from licensing right off the bat.

Guy's a little wacky if you ask me.

[sheldo]

Originally Posted by chrismac87

I believe that is the plan for the new 4K transfer. I can't see anyone ponying up the money for that only to be like, "We just wanted to screen it a few times."

I imagine announcements of that release will be heading out way in the coming months.

The real trial is whether or not DAWN will ever see another stateside release given the gorging price Rubenstein is asking. That also tapped with the short length of the license is what's scaring folks off. The six figure expectation with from what I was told half the time of a standard licensing contract.

I guess he felt like he lost money when he licensed the film to AB for so many years as they had several releases that sold fairly well. He's not taking into consideration the ever changing physical media market as a factor, he's just going off of their numbers for their 10+ year contract of sales figures. So he thinks he's sitting on a gold mine that he hasn't been able to make a decent chunk of change from for a long amount of time; now he feels like he's owed that and will get it from licensing right off the bat.

Guy's a little wacky if you ask me.

I've heard the amount requested is to regain the millions he spent on the 3D conversion which is still earn him a buck (or two).

[chrismac87]

Originally Posted by sheldo

I've heard the amount requested is to regain the millions he spent on the 3D conversion which is still earn him a buck (or two).

He was asking a lot before that happened. I'm sure his price has gone up since then because of this.

[PowellPressburger]

I would love to have a 3D disc of that conversion also.

I think if they ever created a box set for this film with a 4K disc and all the other cuts on BLU it would have to cost about $100.00 and that isn't asking too much if they can deliver it.

[Mr Kite]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

Just having a quick look at the full frame disc now. On virtually every cut there are visible splices which flash at the top and bottom of the frame, naturally these would be framed out on any matted exhibition but here they're SUPER distracting. As fascinating as this version is the splices are too much of an intrusion for it to be taken seriously as a viewing option unless you can overscan the image by about 10% or so.

So the open matted version is a no go for you Geoff?

[OgamiittoMcJ]

not sure which thread to post in
as some are posting here and others in Italian thread

watched mine today and I knew about problems before so was being extra critical viewing,
and i noticed same grain/encoding problems with Euro Cut 4k BD as others have reported
don't have UHD so not sure If that is same (around 20m and 24m seemed quite bad) it's like there's too much grain/flickering at times
when you pause and go through frames the grain is there one frame then dissapears the next

the fullscreen disc doesn't seem to have same problem but as Geoff just said the splices at top and bottom are very distracting

also most of extras are in Italian with no eng subs

and none of the cuts have eng subs either

seeing the 4k Euro like this though, even with it's faults
really does make the other cuts look terrible

[barrett75]

new caps of other adjacent frames... keep thinking there's something wrong with the encoding of the 1080p disc...

http://screenshotcomparison.com/comp....php?id=192190

[kidglov3s]

Originally Posted by barrett75

new caps of other adjacent frames... keep thinking there's something wrong with the encoding of the 1080p disc...

http://screenshotcomparison.com/comp....php?id=192190

I'm very curious to see how this looks projected, afraid it could be quite annoying but hoping it will be no big deal.

[Member-222782]

I know very little about film scanning and restoration so apologize if this is a dumb question. How come there are splices visible in an HD presentation? Isn't the point of remastering a film to get rid of physical imperfections? Or is this cleanup usually done after a film is scanned?

[skyofcrack]

The back of the packaging states an English track for the bonus disc.

[kidglov3s]

Originally Posted by cine74

I know very little about film scanning and restoration so apologize if this is a dumb question. How come there are splices visible in an HD presentation? Isn't the point of remastering a film to get rid of physical imperfections? Or is this cleanup usually done after a film is scanned?

Yes the real cleanup, which I usually find to be detrimental to the integrity of the presentation, happens after the film is scanned.

The open matte presentation appears to be a direct encode of what was scanned from the IP, after color correction as appears to me. No cropping, no nothing. The 'remastered' presentation is on the matted Blu-ray and 4K discs of Zombie, where cropping for the intended aspect ratio removes all the splices, apertures, etc seen in the open matte presentation.

I say there's been some color correction because they say the raw scan looked like:

[Telecine]

Originally Posted by cine74

I know very little about film scanning and restoration so apologize if this is a dumb question. How come there are splices visible in an HD presentation? Isn't the point of remastering a film to get rid of physical imperfections? Or is this cleanup usually done after a film is scanned?

Normally splices are not visible when real aspect ratio trasfer is done.
Also restoration is done in the same aspect ratio.
In this case is 1,85.
Scanner transfer the whole frame included small perforation part and splice and sound area.
The open matte bluray was done for looking at whole scannered frame.

[Telecine]

Originally Posted by kidglov3s

Yes the real cleanup, which I usually find to be detrimental to the integrity of the presentation, happens after the film is scanned.

The open matte presentation appears to be a direct encode of what was scanned from the IP, after color correction as appears to me. No cropping, no nothing. The 'remastered' presentation is on the matted Blu-ray and 4K discs of Zombie, where cropping for the intended aspect ratio removes all the splices, apertures, etc seen in the open matte presentation.

I say there's been some color correction because they say the raw scan looked like:

Right
Full color correction but dirts removal inside 1.85 ratio

[NoirFan]

Originally Posted by barrett75

new caps of other adjacent frames... keep thinking there's something wrong with the encoding of the 1080p disc...

http://screenshotcomparison.com/comp....php?id=192190

It's like he's watching the film on an off-screen monitor and shaking his head at the disappearing grain.

[ambient_indie]

Originally Posted by sheldo

I've heard the amount requested is to regain the millions he spent on the 3D conversion which is still earn him a buck (or two).

And hold the film hostage from the fans...

[Geoff D]

Watched the UHD earlier, it's rather nice. The 1.85 Blu-ray version of the new transfer is noticeably mushier, though whether that's due to the hinky encoding or the lower resolution is unclear at this time, yet the open matte Blu-ray looks crisper than the 1.85. Decent encoding helps with that, sure, but seeing the full frame will also make it look relatively sharper in relation to the 1.85 extraction.

Oh, and the 5.1 remix on the Argento cut is AWFUL, with simple foley effects bounced around the speakers as characters move like it's My First 5.1 Remix or something, so thank the Maker the mono is also included. One thing I'd forgotten about the Italian cut is that there's very little ADR (apart from reaction noises that were dubbed in for that cut) so it's pretty much production audio that we're hearing; the funny thing is that you can hear traffic going by during the studio scenes, even the toot of a car horn

[Dailyan]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

One thing I'd forgotten about the Italian cut is that there's very little ADR (apart from reaction noises that were dubbed in for that cut) so it's pretty much production audio that we're hearing; the funny thing is that you can hear traffic going by during the studio scenes, even the toot of a car horn

That's actually kind of cool to hear the raw audio.