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Old 11-15-2008, 09:55 PM   #1
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This movie has an uphill road to climb. It seems that most people either lover Trek or hate it and with this reboot some "purists" may reject it. I'm excited to see what JJ Abrams has done here.
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Old 11-15-2008, 09:57 PM   #2
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I feel like the only star trek fan that is excited for this.
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Old 11-15-2008, 10:06 PM   #3
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I feel like the only star trek fan that is excited for this.
You're not the only one. I may have only been a casual Trek fan (more of a Sci-Fi fan than Trek fan) I am very excited to see this. I'm hoping that Abrams can do for Trek what Nolan did for Batman
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Old 11-15-2008, 10:11 PM   #4
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I am a star trek fan, but this looks stupid. Star trek has never been about the intense action film. The trailer looks more like this is Die Hard 5.
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Old 11-15-2008, 10:18 PM   #5
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I am a star trek fan, but this looks stupid. Star trek has never been about the intense action film. The trailer looks more like this is Die Hard 5.
I'm wondering, would you rather make some concessions (like more action oriented for example) in order for the the Trek saga to live on? I think that the reason we haven't seen anything for so long is it hasn't been financially viable. Here's an interesting take from Nikki Finke:

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I've been skeptical, but this Star Trek XI trailer looks intriguing. And, most importantly, mainstream. Maybe J.J. Abrams has pulled a Chris Nolan and reimagined a stale franchise. But Star Trek has failed to ever do much internationally. Which is why JJ and studio vice chairman Rob Moore are just finishing a road show sharing 25 minutes of footage territory by territory this past week in the UK, Germany, Spain, France, and Italy, I've learned, and receiving "extraordinary" response. That has Paramount feeling optimistic about Star Trek XI's overseas prospects since "building what has traditionally been a primarily U.S. franchise into a global one" are key to the franchise's future. Hollywood knows there's just no economy of scale anymore for a big budget domestic-only hit. On Wednesday afternoon, the studio is unveiling this same 25 minutes of the movie at a private screening on the lot for selected opinion-makers. A revitalized Star Trek would give Brad Grey and Rob Moore a 3rd big new franchise in addition to Transformers and G.I. Joe. No other studio can boast that right now. Will the Paramount pinheads have the last laugh?
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Old 11-16-2008, 12:16 AM   #6
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every person ive talked to who grew up watching the tv show said this trailer looked like a cgi crapfest. i'm still indifferent, i'll probably see it in theaters cuz it looks entertaining enough. also, what do people expect? for abrams to go with the same models and sets used in the 70s? that would look terrible now.
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It does look way way CGI heavy, but the Star Trek franchise is dead. If this movie can reboot it, ala Batman Begins, that's a good thing. I don't care if it's different, so long as it's good. I keep in mind though that all that action they throw at you in the trailer could be within 5 minutes of the movie, assuming that's the entire movie is pretty presumptuous. I do prefer it when my trailers show more character though, ala LOTR.
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Old 11-16-2008, 02:30 PM   #8
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I am a star trek fan, but this looks stupid. Star trek has never been about the intense action film. The trailer looks more like this is Die Hard 5.
Yes, Star Trek has always been about action that would never raise your heartrate enough to cause the slightest palpatation. It's been cheesy dialogue and one liners that a less-than-infinite number of monkeys could have churned out.

The only redeeming quality has been pretty good, morally redeeming, and hopeful, stories.

This Trek is during a time when the universe is a less civilized place, space is truly a frontier, and this motley crew of characters is going to find how they fit together as a crew.

Inertial dampeners be damned! Bring on the action, new visual effects, let Spock get really pissed off, Let's shake it up a little bit! As long as the story is still there, everything else should be gravy.

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Old 11-16-2008, 03:44 PM   #9
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Here's a slightly better version!
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Old 11-16-2008, 04:22 PM   #10
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I've been a Star Trek fan since I was 6 years old. Started watching the old series as a French translation on the local tv channel in 1974. So for me Captain Kirk, Mister Spok & Doctor McCoy were part of the weekly Saturday morning TV ritual. As I learn English I got to watched them again. I must have watch the original series at least close to 50 times each episodes.

For me it's not Star Trek but some sort or reimagination of Star Trek. It doesn't follow the time line very well. Spock is actualy 13 years older then Kirk and so are Scotty & McCoy. Chekov should not even be there. It's actualy very strange the see the original crew in a very fast pace, fact action situation, the TV show actualy work on a much slower pace.

I will be going to see it however but I won't be thinking of this movie as part of the actual timeline of Star Trek. Sort of a reboot or hommage to the old series. Also for those who mention there seem to be a lot of sex, I would say go back and watch the old episodes and check out how much sex there was, it was more subdued, less graphic maybe but it was always there.
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Old 11-21-2008, 03:44 AM   #11
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The guys over at /film saw the 20 minute preview that Paramount has been showing over in Europe and to select groups here and they wrote this editorial. If your a fan, it's a very good read, and it has me totally hyped:

On Wednesday, I flew down to Los Angeles to attend a special screening of 20 minutes of footage from JJ Abrams‘ Star Trek. Everyone was packed into a large theater on the Paramount lot. And by everyone, I mean EVERYONE.

Marvel head Kevin Feige was sitting behind me, Free Enterprise director Robert Burnett was a couple rows in front of me. Who knows how many other execs and filmmakers might have been in attendance. Trek stars John Cho, Zachary Quinto, Chris Pine and Bruce Greenwood were also at the presentation to see the footage.

Director JJ Abrams introduced four clips. I could recount the events second by second, but it’s the same footage that was previously screened in London and New York. Check ComingSoon for the blow by blow. I thought it would be better to post just my observations. But before I do so let me say:

This is not the Star Trek film that Trekkies are looking for,
…but that might not be a bad thing.

Much has been made of the opening sequence of the new movie trailer. A young kid jumps out of a moving car as it zooms off the edge of a cliff. The reveal is that the kid is the future Captain of the USS Enterprise, James T Kirk. The sequence is constructed to get a specific reaction: “This doesn’t look like any Star Trek movie I’ve ever seen before.” But I think many people are missing the possible metaphor. Kirk could have been driving a car from any decade in history — the 2000’s, the 1990’s, the 1980’s, or the 1970’s, but for one reason or another, Abrams chose a 1960s Corvette.

Could it be that the corvette represents something more than just a fast car? Is it just a coincidence that the car was released during the same decade that the original Star Trek television series premiered? I believe that by throwing the 1960’s era car off a cliff, Abrams was making a statement - “this is not your father’s Star Trek movie - we’re throwing all that stuff away, off a cliff no less. This is the new Star Trek.” Okay, now onto my observations.

A More Expansive Enterprise: This film will make you believe that the USS Enterprise actually exists. The majority of the show and films were shot on a Bridge set and a small series of hallways that were always reused to create different areas within the ship. In the few short sequences I screened, I was amazed at how exactly how much of the Enterprise you get to see. I would compare it to the many areas of James Cameron’s the Titanic. You travel through so many diverse sections of the ship that it not only feels authentic, but it feels HUGE. JJ Abrams said before the presentation that one of the underlying ideas was to legitimize the idea of space travel. And from what I can tell, the Enterprise feels very real.

Action Packed: One of the sequences involved Sulu, Kirk and a Red Shirt (guess what happens to him) making a space jump onto a Romulan drill, hovering above the planet Vulcan. You see a few split seconds of this jump in the trailer. Remember the sequence with the three men in uniforms are seen free falling face first through the air? Well they land on the drill and an intense fight ensues between the Enterprise crew and the Romulans. Sulu has a sword battle that is on level with some of the cooler lightsaber duels from the Star Wars prequels. The whole sequence happens on this drill platform a couple miles above the planet. I can’t describe how very cool this scene is.

Comedy: This is a much funnier film than any of the previous Star Trek movies. In one sequence, Kirk and Old Spock (Leonard Nemoy) enter a federation outpost on a snowy planet, where they find Scotty (Simon Pegg). In addition to Pegg’s trademark humor (Scotty admits that he was exiled to the location after he teleported the Admiral’s pet beagle, who was never seen from again), Scotty is joined by this Star Wars looking alien sidekick who he belittles from time to time. In another sequence, James Kirk is snuck onto the Enterprise under the guise that he is sick. McCoy has injected him with a temporary virus but Kirk has an allergic reaction, causing his hands to swell up like balloons. The scene involves Kirk running around the ship trying to warn the Captain not to warp to Vulcan, waving his huge hands in the air, while Uhura looks at him strange. McCoy gives him a shot to fix the allergic side effect, which results in another side effect where Kirk loses feeling in his mouth, causing him to slur his words, and if I remember correctly, his head also begins to swell. The introduction of such a sight gag was oft putting at first. I’m not saying it wasn’t funny, but it just wasn’t expected, especially in a Trek film. I would compare it to the scene in Transformers where Optimus Prime and crew are hiding outside Sam’s house. This scene was part of a package of scenes screened to press months before the release of the film. Many were critical of the comic direction of the film at the time, but that sequence ended up being a favorite of most of the general public.

Lens Flares: During the trailer you may have noticed a few moments when the camera lens flared up from the reflection of light. This seems to be a cinematic choice that is used throughout the film, and especially within the Enterprise itself. I’ve included a screenshot from the trailer above, which shows a lens flare across a shot of Captain Christopher Pike. I wish I could elaborate on this more, but it’s rather odd to explain. But trust me, it isn’t something that happens just a few times. It is very noticeable and consistent, and gives the film a more realistic vibe.

Joker Cam: In the old Batman television series, they use to tilt the camera sideways whenever The Joker showed up on screen in an attempt to create an off-putting visual. While this effect is thankfully not employed during the 20 minutes of Star Trek I was witness to, I did notice that Abrams likes to shoot the scenes within the enterprise with the gliding steadicam-like movements, which sometimes become unbalanced and lean to the left or the right. From what I can tell, it really gives you a feeling of being on a ship, if not a starship, at least a cruise ship.

Performances:
Most of the performances were spot on. Simon Pegg and Anton Yelchin in particular, both of whom were able to employ authentic sounding accents. On the other hand, Karl Urban looked like he was doing an imitation of DeForest Kelley’s Bones, in the same way some of the supporting characters in Oliver Stone’s W. felt more like imitations rather than authentic performances. To be completely fair, he was only on screen for a few lines, so it might not be fair to judge just yet.

Leonard Nimoy
: Seeing Nimoy back as Spock for the first time since 1991’s Star Trek VI: The Undiscovered Country was nothing short of awesome.

The Origins of the Enterprise Crew: After watching 20 minutes of this film, it has quickly become clear that the core story of the new Trek film is to show how the crew of the Starship Enterprise came together. And no, it doesn’t happen exactly how you might expect.

The Bar: In one scene, a pre-Academy James T Kirk enters an Iowa bar. Most directors would be tempted to fill the bar with lots of extras, cool looking creatures, and have all sorts of flashy looking futuristic technology spread throughout. Abrams does none of that. The bar actually doesn’t look to much different from a bar you would enter today. Sure, there is a LED wall with a changing light pattern in the background. And yes, the bar menu has animated graphics, comparable to the newspapers in the Harry Potter series. But for the most part, the bar just feels and looks like a real bar.

Inside References: During the bar sequence, a character recommends a Slusho alcoholic drink. Slusho is of course a fictional frozen drink that Abrams invented for Alias, and later used in the viral marketing for Cloverfield. And we mentioned before that the USS Kelvin is named after Abrams grandfather who famously got him interested in the art of mystery (see the “Magic Box” ted talk). I’m sure there will be a ton of other inside references, especially pointing back to Trek history, throughout.

Bottom line:
I was extremely impressed with most of the footage, but I find myself a little skeptical of the use of broad comedy and sight gags. Either way, I have a feeling that mainstream audiences will probably dig it. I’m also pretty confident that the hardcore Trekkies won’t care for this movie. It is clearly a much different type of film than the franchise has ever given us before. But truth is, it might also be a much better film than they have ever gotten before. And most certainly, the most accessible Star Trek film to date. If I had to compare the footage I screened to any other film, I would say that it has shades of the better moments from Return of The Jedi mixed with new generation Battlestar Galactica
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Old 11-21-2008, 04:36 AM   #12
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good read, thanks for the post. I can't wait for this
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Old 11-16-2008, 02:34 AM   #13
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I feel like the only star trek fan that is excited for this.
You're not alone. I've enjoyed the movies and each of the five series (DS9 was my favorite), even Enterprise which got infinitely better in it's last season. I am very excited to see this movie, it manages to look classic and new at the same time.
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I am going to give it a good shake at the movie theater. The trailer made it look like they pretty much re-wrote everything to do with the original series, but if it can bring it back to the TV or big screen, I'm for it.
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Been a Trek fan since I was a kid. Still love the original series (1966-69). Loved The Next Generation, so so on Voyager, mostly liked DS-9, lukewarm to Enterprise.

The last 2 Trek movies havent been very good. Im skeptical on this one. But will go see it. Yes it will no doubt be heavy on CGI but do you expect them to do it like they did back in the late 60's? Or even in the 90's when they still used models and lots of camera movement?

Im not sure about the actors though.
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CGI crapfest?? Its sci-fi, its not going to be anything other than CGI heavy. Love the trailer, really looking forward to seeing the movie, buzz from those that have seen the 25min preview in the press is good. Looking forward to it.
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This movie has an uphill road to climb. It seems that most people either lover Trek or hate it and with this reboot some "purists" may reject it. I'm excited to see what JJ Abrams has done here.
And I don't know where exactly the "desert racing cliffs" were supposed to take place, but when did young Kirk move away from Iowa?...

(And we're hoping they'll get at least ONE reference to Finnegan back into Jimmy-boy's academy days...)
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