1080p: high-res make movies look cheap & fake? (Actually frame rate TV interpolation) - Blu-ray Forum

NutsAboutPS3 · 11-18-2008, 03:59 PM

I agree with the other posters, it sounds like they had some sort of frame rate interpolation motion "enhancing" feature turned on that makes movies look like consumer camcorder footage.

Barbie-Shrimp · 11-18-2008, 04:01 PM

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Originally Posted by NutsAboutPS3

I agree with the other posters, it sounds like they had some sort of frame rate interpolation motion "enhancing" feature turned on that makes movies look like consumer camcorder footage.

I HATE that stuff. If I wanted to watch a soap opera, I'd... I've never wanted to watch a soap opera, so I don't know how to finish that thought.

groovyone · 11-18-2008, 04:15 PM

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Originally Posted by NutsAboutPS3

I agree with the other posters, it sounds like they had some sort of frame rate interpolation motion "enhancing" feature turned on that makes movies look like consumer camcorder footage.

+1. Had teh same issue at times with the 120Hz on, which is why they recommend having it off for movies.

*EDIT: Motionflow/etc, not 120Hz

jsub · 11-18-2008, 04:18 PM

What's 120Hz?

Sonny · 11-18-2008, 04:23 PM

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Originally Posted by jsub

What's 120Hz?

Are you framilure with 60Hz HDTV's (Thats the refresh rate) its just double that.

snoman_99 · 11-18-2008, 04:31 PM

yes jsub... the 120 hertz is for the motion blur stuff... they are right. You should definately look into this feature and have it turned off when viewing blu-ray movies. You will see a major difference when this is turned off.

jsub · 11-18-2008, 04:32 PM

Aiite, thanks. I'll go back and see if this is indeed the problem. I don't know why stores would do this b/c it could turn away potential buyers (me).

Brandon · 11-18-2008, 04:32 PM

Should you turn 120Hz on when watching live sports then?

Sonny · 11-18-2008, 04:35 PM

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Originally Posted by BrandonT

Should you turn 120Hz on when watching live sports then?

ya, if you like, why not?

mustang-gt-2002 · 11-18-2008, 05:40 PM

had a 1080p LCD for arownd 2 1/2 years. now 6 months with my samsung LN46A650 with 1080p 120Hz 50,000:1 and I LOVE IT

and I love the look of movies spashley ID4 and casino royal..

b0bby · 11-18-2008, 08:35 PM

stores gotta catch your attention with something right? as others posted what you saw was definitely store manipulation with the 120hz sets. if you notice stores like bestbuy, all their endcap displays are 120hz LCDs. if you watch there 1 plasma home theater setup you wont see this mess.

Midnightsailor · 11-18-2008, 08:37 PM

You were definitely looking at a tv with some sort of motion enhancer on. It makes everything look like a soap opera.

BACsader · 11-18-2008, 04:25 PM

Normal TVs have a 60hz refresh rate. In simple terms, its twice the refresh rate which is intended to make motion seem more fluid and smooth. But, with movies which have a 24p, 24 frames per second, it makes it look unnatural. Maybe someone can explain this in a more technical way.

benricci · 11-18-2008, 04:26 PM

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Originally Posted by jsub

What's 120Hz?

Without getting too technical, all you need to know is that it's the refresh rate of the TV that sometimes has this nauseating effect. A lot of people agree it's best to keep this stuff turned off.

stockstar1138 · 11-18-2008, 04:26 PM

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Originally Posted by jsub

What's 120Hz?

its how many frames you are seeing per second.

some HDTVs, like the one i believe you saw, have something called 120hz motion plus on.

Now because a blu-ray has an encode for only 24 fps, when the store turns motion enhancment on the HDTV will litterly make up what 96 out of the 120 frames per second look like, while the blu has the information for the other 24.

that is why it looks fake and cheap, because 80% of the frames you see are made up.

of course you can turn this feature off for a more movie like (and better) experience.

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11-18-2008, 03:59 PM	#1
NutsAboutPS3 Expert Member Member since:Apr 2007 Location:UK Blu-ray reviews:1	I agree with the other posters, it sounds like they had some sort of frame rate interpolation motion "enhancing" feature turned on that makes movies look like consumer camcorder footage.

11-18-2008, 04:18 PM	#4
jsub Active Member Member since:Jul 2008 Blu-ray collection:108	What's 120Hz?

11-18-2008, 04:31 PM	#6
snoman_99 Expert Member Member since:Sep 2008 Location:Your Momma, Oklahoma 4K collection:524 Blu-ray collection:3423 DVD collection:48	yes jsub... the 120 hertz is for the motion blur stuff... they are right. You should definately look into this feature and have it turned off when viewing blu-ray movies. You will see a major difference when this is turned off.

11-18-2008, 04:32 PM	#7
jsub Active Member Member since:Jul 2008 Blu-ray collection:108	Aiite, thanks. I'll go back and see if this is indeed the problem. I don't know why stores would do this b/c it could turn away potential buyers (me).

11-18-2008, 04:32 PM	#8
Brandon Blu-ray Guru Member since:Jul 2008 Blu-ray collection:41 Blu-ray reviews:1 Trading Score:8	Should you turn 120Hz on when watching live sports then?

11-18-2008, 05:40 PM	#10
mustang-gt-2002 Senior Member Member since:May 2008 Location:Madison, WI. Home Theater Gallery:33 Blu-ray collection:66	had a 1080p LCD for arownd 2 1/2 years. now 6 months with my samsung LN46A650 with 1080p 120Hz 50,000:1 and I LOVE IT and I love the look of movies spashley ID4 and casino royal..

11-18-2008, 08:35 PM	#11
b0bby Blu-ray Guru Member since:Sep 2008 Location:North Carolina Blu-ray collection:153	stores gotta catch your attention with something right? as others posted what you saw was definitely store manipulation with the 120hz sets. if you notice stores like bestbuy, all their endcap displays are 120hz LCDs. if you watch there 1 plasma home theater setup you wont see this mess.

11-18-2008, 08:37 PM	#12
Midnightsailor Special Member Member since:Jan 2008 Location:Los Angeles, CA Blu-ray collection:32 Blu-ray reviews:1	You were definitely looking at a tv with some sort of motion enhancer on. It makes everything look like a soap opera.

11-18-2008, 04:25 PM	#13
BACsader Expert Member Member since:Jan 2008 Location:Cooper City FL Home Theater Gallery:29 Blu-ray collection:72 Blu-ray reviews:9 Trading Score:1	Normal TVs have a 60hz refresh rate. In simple terms, its twice the refresh rate which is intended to make motion seem more fluid and smooth. But, with movies which have a 24p, 24 frames per second, it makes it look unnatural. Maybe someone can explain this in a more technical way.

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