Sony's Marvel Universe

[imsounoriginal]

Did I miss something, or can Spidey no longer appear in any only-Sony movies? Can he only appear in MCU/Marvel movies now?

[Seymour]

Originally Posted by imsounoriginal

Did I miss something, or can Spidey no longer appear in any only-Sony movies? Can he only appear in MCU/Marvel movies now?

The article doesn't really specify, but since Spidey is now part of the MCU (for a few movies at least), I think that means he won't appear in any of these announced movies.

That's why everyone is already down on this idea, cause a Venom movie without Spider-Man sounds really dumb.

[Ant1010]

Originally Posted by Seymour

The article doesn't really specify, but since Spidey is now part of the MCU (for a few movies at least), I think that means he won't appear in any of these announced movies.

That's why everyone is already down on this idea, cause a Venom movie without Spider-Man sounds really dumb.

Now that the dust is settling, let’s discuss who won in the Spider-Man rights battle between Marvel and Sony. The fans win, obviously, as we’ll finally get to see a true Spider-Man movie made in the vision of Marvel Studios. And the wall-crawler will share the screen alongside the mighty Avengers in, from what we’re hearing, Captain America: Civil War and the upcoming Infinity Wars saga. But financially speaking, which studio has the upperhand?

The answer, strangely, is both. Variety has a breakdown of the negotiations between Sony and Disney – which was going on for months and finally settled on a level everyone could appreciate. And the results of the deal are… unusual, starting with the fact that Marvel reportedly paid nothing for the rights to use Spider-Man in their upcoming slate of films. That’s right. They got Spidey for free.

According to the trade, the studios worked out a deal that will have each respective studio receiving the profits from the movies they make with Spider-Man. So Marvel doesn’t have to share profits with Sony for Civil War or The Avengers. At the same time, Sony will benefit completely from the profits made by the solo Spider-Man movies, which appear to be being made under the Sony umbrella.

Sony, in the process, rehabs Spider-Man’s image by allowing him to show up in Marvel movies, and earning goodwill from the Spidey fanbase for allowing their beloved character to show up on screen alongside other staples of the Marvel comic universe. In essence, the two studios have agreed on a system that allows them to share Spider-Man, and each use them to their own ends.

The biggest question stemming from this deal is, "How will this work, creatively?" The financial side of it makes so much sense, I’m still surprised the deal went through. Both studios seem to benefit, financially. But will the Spider-Man solo movies pull plots from the MCU? Will they continue to exist separately, or will the actions of the MCU movies dictate what Sony can (and will) do in the standalone Spider-Man movies – the first being penciled in for July 28, 2017?

Variety notes that it is Sony who will work on re-casting the role of Spider-Man, with an intention of finding a teenager. Will Marvel have input on the hire? This line, from Variety’s report, is potentially troubling. "While Marvel’s Kevin Feige is involved with Sony’s new Spider-Man films, he is currently not expected to be creatively involved with the [Venom and Sinister Six] spinoffs, sources say." Why not? If this deal is truly going to work, shouldn’t he be?

http://www.cinemablend.com/new/Weird...eal-69718.html

[CyberpunkCentral]

Originally Posted by imsounoriginal

Did I miss something, or can Spidey no longer appear in any only-Sony movies? Can he only appear in MCU/Marvel movies now?

That's not the point. Even if Spider-Man shows up in the Venom movie, Sony is making the same mistake as they did with Spider-Man 3 by rushing the character. The rumor of Spider-Man getting the symbiote suit in The Avengers: Infinity War is a far better idea than this Venom movie. What a missed opportunity if we don't see the symbiote in The Avengers: Infinity War.

[imsounoriginal]

Originally Posted by CyberpunkCentral

That's not the point. Even if Spider-Man shows up in the Venom movie, Sony is making the same mistake as they did with Spider-Man 3 by rushing the character. The rumor of Spider-Man getting the symbiote suit in The Avengers: Infinity War is a far better idea than this Venom movie. What a missed opportunity if we don't see the symbiote in The Avengers: Infinity War.

Having the symbiote in the MCU would've been better but I don't see how Sony's rushing. Venom's getting his own entire movie, not getting clumsily shoehorned into the third act against the wishes of the director. Sony hasn't really done much to engender a lot of faith but I'm willing to give them a chance here, especially if Spidey pops up in these movies (though I dunno how Marvel/Disney feel about Spidey appearing in an R-rated Venom movie).

Originally Posted by Seymour

The article doesn't really specify, but since Spidey is now part of the MCU (for a few movies at least), I think that means he won't appear in any of these announced movies.

That's why everyone is already down on this idea, cause a Venom movie without Spider-Man sounds really dumb.

If Spidey doesn't show up at all then yeah, that's pretty dumb. Venom working as some kind of antihero, which IIRC they said the movie would basically portray him as, isn't such a bad idea. But I don't see how to do that without Spidey, even if he only shows up in flashbacks of TV footage or something. There has to be some Spidey in there.

[CyberpunkCentral]

Originally Posted by imsounoriginal

Having the symbiote in the MCU would've been better but I don't see how Sony's rushing. Venom's getting his own entire movie, not getting clumsily shoehorned into the third act against the wishes of the director. Sony hasn't really done much to engender a lot of faith but I'm willing to give them a chance here, especially if Spidey pops up in these movies (though I dunno how Marvel/Disney feel about Spidey appearing in an R-rated Venom movie).

They are rushing. Because they are rushing through when Spider-Man worn the symbiote suit and his beef with Venom, all while having Carnage in the mix as well. It's Spider-Man 3 all over again.

[imsounoriginal]

Originally Posted by CyberpunkCentral

They are rushing. Because they are rushing through when Spider-Man worn the symbiote suit and his beef with Venom, all while having Carnage in the mix as well. It's Spider-Man 3 all over again.

I don't think it's necessary to do the whole "Spidey battles with the symbiote before it latches onto Brock" thing all over again. Give things a new spin. Brock's a small-time criminal who comes across the symbiote and uses it for ill gains before some bigger threat emerges in the form of Carnage and with Spidey out helping save the world from bigger dangers, Venom is the only game in town to save NYC. Something like that. I'm all for them trying something new and adapting these character/source material for the big screen, rather than simply take stories we already know and regurgitate them all over again. Just gonna keep an open mind, it's easy to be dismissive (especially with Sony lol) but the idea of getting Spidey standalones, Spidey with the Avengers, and movies about Spidey villains is all kinds of tantalizing.

[CyberpunkCentral]

Originally Posted by imsounoriginal

I don't think it's necessary to do the whole "Spidey battles with the symbiote before it latches onto Brock" thing all over again. Give things a new spin. Brock's a small-time criminal who comes across the symbiote and uses it for ill gains before some bigger threat emerges in the form of Carnage and with Spidey out helping save the world from bigger dangers, Venom is the only game in town to save NYC. Something like that. I'm all for them trying something new and adapting these character/source material for the big screen, rather than simply take stories we already know and regurgitate them all over again. Just gonna keep an open mind, it's easy to be dismissive (especially with Sony lol) but the idea of getting Spidey standalones, Spidey with the Avengers, and movies about Spidey villains is all kinds of tantalizing.

Then how would you explain why Venom has Spider-Man's powers?

[imsounoriginal]

Originally Posted by CyberpunkCentral

Then how would you explain why Venom has Spider-Man's powers?

The symbiote connects with/kinda controls the mind of whoever it's latched onto. Brock is jealous of the fame and attention Spidey gets, and because Spidey may have stopped him during a crime or something. When the symbiote finds him, it taps into Brock's jealousy/hatred of Spidey and gives him similar powers. Boom, done. Took two minutes lol. It's not the canon origin story but it's different and can still work as a standalone movie without a need for Spidey.

I'd still like for Spidey to be involved, but reading that first sentence of the OP's last paragraph doesn't give me much confidence, plus Disney/Marvel will want nothing to do with an R-rated movie. I think they can still have a fully CG Spidey that shows up on news footage or in the distance somewhere, things like that. But making a decent Venom movie without Spidey isn't impossible. And I'm sure Sony is putting a little more thought into this than I just did.

At least I hope they are...