HOUSE Collection - Arrow

[painiac]

Originally Posted by cine74

My set just arrived! Only took a week to arrive since Arrow uses Royal Mail; this is the fastest import to arrive at my doorstep. Think I'll buy direct from Arrow from now on Very excited about this despite the flaws.

i ordered direct from Arrow as well, i would be chuffed to bits to get this today.

[crazyman]

Crew members and set ceilings are not evidence of misframing.

[painiac]

Originally Posted by crazyman

Crew members and set ceilings are not evidence of misframing.

if these were not visible in previous editions, what would you call it? it's different from open matte and new information is presented in the frame.

whatever it is, it's an erroneous presentation.

[crazyman]

Originally Posted by painiac

if these were not visible in previous editions, what would you call it? it's different from open matte and new information is presented in the frame.

whatever it is, it's an erroneous presentation.

Movie mistakes.

It is just as reasonable to assume that the DVD was over-zealously cropped.

I'm not saying Arrow's is correct or not. Too little is known to make that judgement.

[dr. wai]

I am on pins and needles waiting for Amazon UK to dispatch this. It has just been sitting there saying that it is preparing to dispatch. I hope everything goes ok.

[painiac]

Originally Posted by crazyman

It is just as reasonable to assume that the DVD was over-zealously cropped.

while that is true, the DVD presentation could mimic the intention of what was supposed to be seen in the frame, the same way some films are (or were) shot open matte, then matted for theatrical exhibition.

[zeze]

Originally Posted by dr. wai

I am on pins and needles waiting for Amazon UK to dispatch this. It has just been sitting there saying that it is preparing to dispatch. I hope everything goes ok.

Mine has been preparing to dispatch since Friday.

[Rubykegster]

Watched the first movie last night. Very nice picture. The 5.1 mix sounded a bit echoey though, so I switched to the mono, which sounded more natural.

[StingingVelvet]

Originally Posted by grant666uk

Very true but I sometimes get the feeling people go into these blu's looking for problems. I sat down last night and watched the movie, like I said before on my 12 foot screen and never noticed a thing. Not even the big arm. I still remember watching 10th to 20th gen vhs copy's of video nastys etc and put up with that lol.

If you care about composition, which most film enthusiasts do, it's hard not to notice when a whole movie is significantly misframed like Hellraiser III was. What I don't understand is people who defend this stuff like it's no big deal and only anal weirdos care. Like having the movie framed properly is some weird thing no one should care about.

[grant666uk]

Originally Posted by StingingVelvet

If you care about composition, which most film enthusiasts do, it's hard not to notice when a whole movie is significantly misframed like Hellraiser III was. What I don't understand is people who defend this stuff like it's no big deal and only anal weirdos care. Like having the movie framed properly is some weird thing no one should care about.

What can I say, I watched it and never noticed. Will be re-watching over the weekend with the com track. Will look out for all these left hand do,da's then. Not watched my copy of Hellraiser III yet but its sounding bad.

Maybe I am just more tolerant of error as I come from the vhs, tracking out, fuzzy picture era. Never thought there would come a day were I owned Ferox, Nekro, Zombie etc on two and three disc special edition sets.

[x5gb]

Actually prefer to see the wider frame of everything that was filmed, arms, end of sets, warts etc (kept the Friends hdtv caps for exactly the same reason), doesn't bother me in the slightest and just see it as inherent to the low budget origins of the movie. Certainly prefer it to some of these transfers that are cropped beyond where they should be. On the other hand even if I wasn't happy, would just do my own custom crop on pc and create my own personal copy. Keep up the good work Arrow.

[toxsic]

Originally Posted by zeze

Mine has been preparing to dispatch since Friday.

still waiting patiently for amazon to ship mine. not sure what's taking so long.

[Blu MacReady]

Could someone, in basic terms, explain what process has happened to cause this 'misframing'. I don't delve deeply into the tech side of home video. Is this caused by encode, remastering or something else?

I ask mainly because soooo many just have major quivers when Arrow are to release something stating that without doubt Arrows presentation will be supreme. Most recent is the Phantasm set. Just interested to know as many are stating (without seeing it compared to the US releases) that Arrows will obviously be amazing.....is it possible that set could face these framing issues??

[stigdu]

Originally Posted by StingingVelvet

If you care about composition, which most film enthusiasts do, it's hard not to notice when a whole movie is significantly misframed like Hellraiser III was. What I don't understand is people who defend this stuff like it's no big deal and only anal weirdos care. Like having the movie framed properly is some weird thing no one should care about.

You're just putting words in his mouth now.

It's *not* a big deal for some people (Haven't seen Arrow's Hellraiser 3 so can't comment on that).

People are different and have different opinions. That's life.

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[x5gb]

In the case of Phantasm, it will use the same master as Well-Go but Arrow's will have a superior encode to disc which they are masters at.

Originally Posted by Blu MacReady

Could someone, in basic terms, explain what process has happened to cause this 'misframing'. I don't delve deeply into the tech side of home video. Is this caused by encode, remastering or something else?

I ask mainly because soooo many just have major quivers when Arrow are to release something stating that without doubt Arrows presentation will be supreme. Most recent is the Phantasm set. Just interested to know as many are stating (without seeing it compared to the US releases) that Arrows will obviously be amazing.....is it possible that set could face these framing issues??

[StingingVelvet]

Originally Posted by grant666uk

What can I say, I watched it and never noticed. Will be re-watching over the weekend with the com track. Will look out for all these left hand do,da's then. Not watched my copy of Hellraiser III yet but its sounding bad.

I don't know how bad House is, my copy is on a plane somewhere over the Atlantic. I know with Creepshow 2 I barely noticed the framing mistake, it wasn't too obvious. With Hellraiser 3 though it was suuuuuper obvious the whole way through, yet some said they didn't notice it there. Some people just don't care, they didn't care about pan and scan in the 80s so they certainly won't care about things being off a bit.

I'm just saying the whole "man why do people care" thing is tiring. We care because framing in movies is important. That's why they hire cinematographers. It's a critical aspect of the movie art form, so of course people are going to be made when it's screwed up on home video.

[Blu MacReady]

Originally Posted by x5gb

In the caee of Phantasm, it will use the same master as Well-Go but Arrow's will have a superior encode to disc which they are masters at.

I get the blinkered loyalty hard on, But that hasn't explained or answered my question

[GasmaskAvenger]

Framing issues don't bother me as much as DNR, poor encoding, bad audio noise reduction and totally botched disc design.

[tenia]

While they all actually matter and should bother people (though I suppose bad design would be a lesser concern for most).

[Blu MacReady]

Originally Posted by GasmaskAvenger

Framing issues don't bother me as much as DNR, poor encoding, bad audio noise reduction and totally botched disc design.

So framing has nothing to do with encoding? As little as I know I thought encoding was transferring information from one source to another format, am I wrong?