Unforgiven 4K UHD (1992)

[bruceames]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

Sony 65ZD9. As 'postage stamp sized' as it is, I'm just gonna have to grit my teeth and get on with it. Now, where's that magnifying glass?


You won't be hearing from me re: the TV for a good few days, I've previously had my ass chapped by blabbing all over the place about how awesome UHD is only for it to come crashing down around my ears as I realised my settings were fubar. I'll still be posting away merrily on here, just not about the TV.

I'm happy your getting the Z9 Geoff and am looking forward to your impressions. Congrats on your purchase.

[ArnoldLayne56]

Originally Posted by MikeZ.

With lossless audio being the only advantage for me, and my Oppo 103, I'll wait for the standard BD, later in the year.

I don't have 4K capability yet either, but I ordered this @$27 to have the 4K disc for future-proofing. In about a year it should come in handy.

[Jumpman]

Got my copy today. Before anyone asks, I don't have a 4K set but I'm still gonna look at this set and compare the two discs, even on a 1080p set...

[javy]

Originally Posted by ArnoldLayne56

I don't have 4K capability yet either, but I ordered this @$27 to have the 4K disc for future-proofing. In about a year it should come in handy.

Not trying to bring you down or nothing, but dont you think trying to future proof is pointless. I mean in a year or two seems like they would master all the 2k up res discs at true 4k and then sell them again. Or regrade certain discs which have the HDR graded incorrectly. And maybe even re- release discs that have HDR10 with dolby vision or vice versa.

We've all, or most of us have been in this game a while, they'll do any thing to sell it again.

[FilmFreakosaurus]

Originally Posted by javy

Not trying to bring you down or nothing, but dont you think trying to future proof is pointless. I mean in a year or two seems like they would master all the 2k up res discs at true 4k and then sell them again. Or regrade certain discs which have the HDR graded incorrectly. And maybe even re- release discs that have HDR10 with dolby vision or vice versa.

The studios consider this a very niche format so far... I doubt that will happen except for the most lucrative titles.

[brainofj72]

There's no way in hell studios are going to re-finish movies with 2K DIs at true 4K. Never going to happen.

[Doctorossi]

Originally Posted by brainofj72

There's no way in hell studios are going to re-finish movies with 2K DIs at true 4K. Never going to happen.

You mean, aside from the ones that have already happened, or any more like those that are done in the future... ?

[brainofj72]

Originally Posted by Doctorossi

You mean, aside from the ones that have already happened, or any more like those that are done in the future... ?

When has it happened? Once when Scott did it for The Martian?

[The Dark Shape]

Originally Posted by Doctorossi

You mean, aside from the ones that have already happened, or any more like those that are done in the future... ?

Which films have done this?

Taking a movie with a 2K DI and finishing at 4K means you'd have to rebuild everything. It would be the same process used to release STAR TREK: THE NEXT GENERATION at 1080p.

[Jumpman]

Robert Harris wasn't lying in my quick estimation, even on my 1080p set.

For reference, I watched most of the 2011 release yesterday.
I just sampled moments from the new remastered Blu Ray disc and the UHD disc and there's no doubt about it; the UHD is just darker. Funny thing is, between the remastered Blu Ray and the UHD, I'm not sure which one I like the best.

The Blu Ray tends to have more pop in terms of the overall color palette yet I find the UHD color palette is more naturalistic. The crux between the two are the dark scenes. On the UHD, objects are just hard to make out. Not so on the Blu Ray. Still dark but not swallowed whole by the darkness.

I don't know fellas...is it possible to like both?!

[Doctorossi]

Originally Posted by The Dark Shape

Which films have done this?

The Martian, at least. And I seem to recall it was being speculated about a couple others.

[Doctorossi]

Originally Posted by Jumpman

I don't know fellas...is it possible to like both?!

That kind of thinking is not encouraged.

Black or white- pick one.

[Jumpman]

Originally Posted by Doctorossi

That kind of thinking is not encouraged.

Black or white- pick one.

If I HAAAD to choose one, I'd go with the remastered 1080p Blu. But the naturalistic color palette of the UHD IS appealing. But, it is very dark during dark scenes.

[ArnoldLayne56]

Originally Posted by javy

Not trying to bring you down or nothing, but dont you think trying to future proof is pointless. I mean in a year or two seems like they would master all the 2k up res discs at true 4k and then sell them again. Or regrade certain discs which have the HDR graded incorrectly. And maybe even re- release discs that have HDR10 with dolby vision or vice versa.

We've all, or most of us have been in this game a while, they'll do any thing to sell it again.

4K is relatively new, and hopefully on the upswing. Kinks are still being worked out, which is one reason I haven't upgraded. But I don't want to wait until I upgrade the equipment to begin acquiring content, especially for the relatively small price adder. In my home theater, I think the higher resolution will be helpful, the HDR, maybe not so much unless by the time I buy a new projector I can afford one with that type of light output.

[Pieter V]

Originally Posted by The Dark Shape

Which films have done this?

Taking a movie with a 2K DI and finishing at 4K means you'd have to rebuild everything. It would be the same process used to release STAR TREK: THE NEXT GENERATION at 1080p.

I agree. This is why I don't step into the markting by FOX on The Martian. Everything is baked in.

[Jumpman]

This UNFORGIVEN UHD reminds me of what Paramount did with INTO DARKNESS. Now that I'm switching back and forth between the two, you could make the case the color palette has been deliberately changed on the UHD.

[Geoff D]

No way in hell are 4K rebuilds gonna be a common thing over the next few years, not just for a niche of a niche disc format to exploit anyways. Yes, the Martian got one but at the moment that's the proverbial exception that proves the rule.

Maybe when 4K gets bigger and the studios feel like clawing back a few more $$$ out of punters who've already bought the movie we'll see them happen more frequently but even then, how far do they go for cost vs returns?

Re-ingesting/scanning the raw materials and re-assembling them with an EDL is one thing in terms of cost, but the VFX issue (which I know my man Doc Red has a chubby for) means that a lot of VFX-heavy event pictures may get stuck with upscaled 2K shots for the majority of their running time anyway.

[MisterXDTV]

Originally Posted by Jumpman

This UNFORGIVEN UHD reminds me of what Paramount did with INTO DARKNESS. Now that I'm switching back and forth between the two, you could make the case the color palette has been deliberately changed on the UHD.

Something I have always feared about UHD BD. HDR is not meant to be used on movies made before it became a thing, especially those shot on film, it doesn't matter how you try to spin it

[javy]

Originally Posted by brainofj72

When has it happened? Once when Scott did it for The Martian?

If they've done it once, seems likely they would do it again. Like i said, they'll do any thing to sell us the same movies again. And we do buy them again, or at least I do, sometimes.

[FilmFreakosaurus]

HDR is all over the frickin' map. As others have stated more eloquently, HDR should never have been released without 12 bit, 4:2:2 or 4:4:4 and per-scene metadata and re-mapping algorithms.

It will be veeeeery interesting to see these upcoming DV discs.