Unforgiven 4K UHD (1992)

[Trekkie313]

Seeing lots of magenta! Micheal Mann is a liar, he said that color doesn't exist in UHD color-timing...

[Schrute Farms]

Does anybody have this in hand? BR.com lists May 16 release date, but Best Buy shows it as a pre-order.

[DJJez]

Originally Posted by Schrute Farms

Does anybody have this in hand? BR.com lists May 16 release date, but Best Buy shows it as a pre-order.

was released 2 days ago. plenty of people have it. sold out on amazon

[bruceames]

Originally Posted by MisterXDTV

This site has always been about the resolution increase and doesn't like HDR on catalog titles. It's a good sign they rated it this good to me

It deserved the good score (notwithstanding the few seconds of halo effect at the start of chapter 17). I only have (or have seen) a few of the older UHD BD catalogs and this one seems to benefit the most from being on the format. In Goodfellas the added resolution benefit is barely noticeable IMO but it's very obvious in this movie.

[Trekkie313]

Originally Posted by bruceames

In Goodfellas the added resolution benefit is barely noticeable IMO but it's very obvious in this movie.

Ink spilled on every frame.
The company who did that UHD sucked, Warner should've kept the restoration in house.

[Schrute Farms]

Originally Posted by DJJez

was released 2 days. plenty of people have it. sold out on amazon

Has anybody bought this at a brick and mortar store? I have been looking at BB and Walmart and can't find it. Maybe Target?

Both Walmart and BB have a May 23rd release date.

[StingingVelvet]

Nice to see a review here I really agree with, and which touts the natural film-like benefits of the UHD here. Good stuff.

[kristoffer]

Interestingly the review makes no mention of the halo bug.
Otherwise it sounds like a great release.

[TheSweetieMan]

Originally Posted by Pieter V

Blu-ray.com review

Originally Posted by HeatEquation

5/5 for 4K video.

Don't let that geek "TheSweetieMan" see this review. He's going to be cutting more than an emo kid during a depressive episode.

Quite the contrary if you've actually read my posts, you knob.

As for the haloing effects people are talking about, could that actually have to do with the individual's panel?

I didn't see any of those effects in the shots provided in the DV version on Vudu.

[bruceames]

Originally Posted by kristoffer

Interesting the review makes no mention of the halo bug.
Otherwise it sounds like a great release.

Apparently it's not nearly as noticeable in motion and it only lasts for many 5 seconds. So he probably missed it, that's why it wasn't mentioned.

[DJJez]

Originally Posted by Schrute Farms

Has anybody bought this at a brick and mortar store? I have been looking at BB and Walmart and can't find it. Maybe Target?

Both Walmart and BB have a May 23rd release date.

ive seen pics of people buying this in store in the facebook 4k groups yes

[bruceames]

Originally Posted by TheSweetieMan

As for the haloing effects people are talking about, could that actually have to do with the individual's panel?

I didn't see any of those effects in the shots provided in the DV version on Vudu.

Since the halo effect is also on the remastered BD, then it's probably safe to say it's baked into the source and seems like an apparent screw-up. Which would mean that any transfer based from it would have it as well. Even a DV grade will not remove halos when they are present in the source material But if you have something to the contrary then please take a pic and share it. It would make for an interesting discussion.

[philochs]

Originally Posted by StingingVelvet

This Dolby Vision stuff is only going to get more nauseating when people who have lower-spec TVs get the Dolby Vision update and start saying what a massive improvement it is, assuming everyone "stuck with" HDR 10 is seeing what they used to see. We aren't, because our TVs meet HDR 10 spec. Now YOU are seeing what we ALREADY saw. Yet that fact will be drowned out by the Dolby Vision hallelujah.

Grumble grumble grumble...

Some of the main improvements that Dolby Vision on disk will definitely include over HDR10, that even everyone with a high nit HDR tv will visibly benefit from, are 12-bit color depth and 4:2:2 chroma subsampling.

12-bit color depth means absolutely no color banding, ever. HDR10 is 10-bit, and hence is going to sometimes cause minor banding. The 12-bits encoded in the disk will benefit current panels because 12-bit depth is above the threshold, and prevents any color banding, even when viewing on a 10-bit panel. This feature is enabled on both streaming DV content, and Dolby Vision that is encoded on disk.

Video compressed with chroma subsampling includes brightness information for every single pixel, but not for color information. Color information in 4:2:0 (HDR10), is only shared among every other pixel. Since DV on disk has 4:2:2, it means that Dolby Vision UHD BD content has full color resolution on the vertical lines, while matching the 50% of pixels that contain color information on the horizontal lines. The effect will be a noticeable increase in real color saturation within the fine details, but it will be most visible near the edges of sharp color transitions. 4:4:4 is the next step up from 4:2:2 DV, and it's uncompressed color, and could only be included in a future disk format. Note: streaming DV is only 4:2:0 still, so no one has got to see Dolby Vision like this before.

I am certain that 4:2:2 along with 12-bit color depth are going to mean a noticeable upgrade over HDR10 encodes. People who question this will be disproved in a few weeks when DV on disk launches.

If anything, 4:2:2 would have taken UHD Blu-ray version on Unforgiven to the next level. Let's hope they do release it again with Dolby Vision within the next 5 years. It's a deserving film.

[philochs]

Originally Posted by bruceames

Since the halo effect is also on the remastered BD, then it's probably safe to say it's baked into the source and seems like an apparent screw-up. Which would mean that any transfer based from it would have it as well. Even a DV grade will not remove halos when they are present in the source material But if you have something to the contrary then please take a pic and share it. It would make for an interesting discussion.

Obviously the halos are inherent to the scan. Maybe they'll do an 8K scan in 10 years, and if they do, I hope they actually inspect it for glitches next time. Who approved the scan with that halo effect, where's the quality control? They must have not glanced at those parts, maybe the guy went on a ciggerette break. It should be, they rescan those scenes and release a whole new set of replacement disks. Not gonna happen though.

[vincentric]

Originally Posted by StingingVelvet

This Dolby Vision stuff is only going to get more nauseating when people who have lower-spec TVs get the Dolby Vision update and start saying what a massive improvement it is, assuming everyone "stuck with" HDR 10 is seeing what they used to see. We aren't, because our TVs meet HDR 10 spec. Now YOU are seeing what we ALREADY saw. Yet that fact will be drowned out by the Dolby Vision hallelujah.

Grumble grumble grumble...

I get the feeling a lot of non-calibrated OLED owners, including myself, will be singing its praises. So bear with us.

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by MisterXDTV

This site has always been about the resolution increase and doesn't like HDR on catalog titles. It's a good sign they rated it this good to me

Yeah, the HDR side of things has been understated since day 1 on here BUT if they say something is a resolution upgrade then they must surely mean it as it's what they're always looking for first and foremost. I wonder why RAH didn't see a jot of difference between the BD and the UHD?

Originally Posted by Trekkie313

Seeing lots of magenta! Micheal Mann is a liar, he said that color doesn't exist in UHD color-timing...

It's 2017, magenta doesn't fit with how he sees the world at the moment

[DJJez]

Originally Posted by vincentric

I get the feeling a lot of non-calibrated OLED owners, including myself, will be singing its praises. So bear with us.

im very excited to see the results but yes im expecting a big jump in quality for OLEDs with lower nits.

[philochs]

Originally Posted by vincentric

I get the feeling a lot of non-calibrated OLED owners, including myself, will be singing its praises. So bear with us.

Seriously, who loves UHD Blu-ray but isn't excited about improved color volume mapping, 4:2:2 subsampling, and 12-bit color depth encodes? Surely, the combination of technologies that Dolby Vision will bring to UHD Blu-ray will be strikingly beautiful, and a genuine uptick in picture quality.

'You can always tell when a man's well-informed. His views are pretty much like yours.' - Bob Hope

[garyd97]

I can't find this in store anywhere. I have been to Best Buy, Walmart, Target, and Fry's since Tuesday. It is ridiculous you can't even buy a movie you want on release date. It is no wonder the format isn't catching on.

[brainofj72]

Uh, if anything, the format seems to be catching on better than most expected.