Unforgiven 4K UHD (1992)

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by chip75

Wouldn't it be unusual for it to be mastered to DCI-P3? I would have thought it would be Rec. 2020 as P3 is only used as a standard for theatres and not domestic use home video.

Most everything is mastered in P3 and is presented as such on UHD Blu-ray, confirmed by the metadata which invariably lists P3 primaries. The 2020 container that we keep referencing is just that: a container which can house whichever colour gamut they want to use as long as it's signalled as such to the target display. So yes, P3 is not a home standard which is why the P3 gamut (as per the final graded master) is mapped into this larger 2020 receptacle which can be displayed as a home standard. Geddit?

[edit] P.S.

Technically it's not used in theatres either, and for the same reasons: it's not a display standard. So for a theatrical DCDM (Digital Cinema Distribution Master) the P3 is mapped into 12-bit XYZ, an ultra-wide gamut that is essentially format-agnostic because it doesn't relate to any one display gamut.

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by HeavyHitter

On my set-up, I found on Planet Earth II UHD BD with the Fox hunting in the snow scene I had to reduce the slider to -2 to avoid clipping. Only disc I've encountered so far like that, but there are some 'effects' that can happen with the slider and how it interacts with the display contrast.

PEII was mastered to 500 nits max luminance so I'm not surprised you encountered some issues.

[chip75]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

Most everything is mastered in P3 and is presented as such on UHD Blu-ray, confirmed by the metadata which invariably lists P3 primaries.

Thanks, Geoff D. So it's mastered to P3, but presented in the wider 2020 container? If that's correct I sort of get it.

[Geoff D]

I take that to be correct, yes. It's why you'll see mentions of 2020 during discussions but that's referencing the container, not the content - although the Lego Batman movie was apparently mastered in proper Rec.2020 so it will be very interesting to see how that ends up on UHD disc.

[StingingVelvet]

Originally Posted by HeavyHitter

Yep, that was me about the comparison to Goodfellas.

Me too!

It's cool that we're all seeing pretty much the same thing on Unforgiven. Goodfellas reaction was a total battleground when it came out.

[DJJez]

Originally Posted by HDvision

Just to note, the remaster wasn't approved by Clint.
He just saw it for the first time in Cannes this week.

[Alfred E. Neumann]

Well, the 4k remaster looks "almost" the same as the previous release (color timting etc.), details are better now, EE is gone.
Did Clint approve the first Blu-ray Disc?

[imsounoriginal]

I don't think Clint gives a crap.

[DJJez]

i still stand by what i said about the movie being too dark at night. im not sure if its because of my OLED and not as many nits as others but i feel its too much. i know u got a ZD9 geoff which is like the king of nits for TVs! lol

[brainofj72]

Glad to see the price finally dropped at BB. Think I'll pick this up this week.

[MarcinL]

I tried to get it today and they wouldn't sell it to me. They said street date is 5/23 in their system. I've checked bestbuy.com and they got at listed as pre-order for 5/23/2017. Crazy as I've seen it all week on the shelf for $37.99

[ncraft]

Originally Posted by DJJez

i still stand by what i said about the movie being too dark at night. im not sure if its because of my OLED and not as many nits as others but i feel its too much. i know u got a ZD9 geoff which is like the king of nits for TVs! lol

I agree with what your saying. I thought the night scenes were just too dark. For some reason I remembered what someone said in the Arrival 4k thread, I think it was Bruceames, and I used the dreaded HDR Vivid mode on my LG B6P. Once I got over the shame in using this mode, and doing a bit more tweaking on the settings, the nighttime scenes were absolutely perfect.

[LordoftheRings]

Originally Posted by HDvision

Just to note, the remaster wasn't approved by Clint.
He just saw it for the first time in Cannes this week.

Lol, that sounds similar to Michael Mann's new remastered 'Heat'.
The studios play with tactics/Tic Tac mints.

[DJJez]

Originally Posted by ncraft

I agree with what your saying. I thought the night scenes were just too dark. For some reason I remembered what someone said in the Arrival 4k thread, I think it was Bruceames, and I used the dreaded HDR Vivid mode on my LG B6P. Once I got over the shame in using this mode, and doing a bit more tweaking on the settings, the nighttime scenes were absolutely perfect.

yup i agree with you. on HDR standard (which is what i use normally for everything, they looked ridiculously dark. on HDR bright and vivid it was WAY better for sure.

[Ulises_CM]

Hdr vivid on Lg oleds just messes with dynamic contrast...

[bruceames]

I must have mentioned using dynamic mode on the Samsung player for the dark movies, since I don't have an OLED. After getting an Oppo, I have noticed the default settings on the Oppo result in an HDR picture which is just as bright (or very nearly so) as the dynamic mode on the Samsung (which I relegated to the bedroom TV).

[StingingVelvet]

Can't speak to player settings other than the Sony really, but I did not think night scenes were much darker than the BD really. Some darker lighting here and there, and the whole movie is a bit dimmer on UHD, but I don't think it was especially dark. I have everything pretty much on default movie mode settings too.

As with other Warner discs, I think nits really matters, and I think people who dislike the dimmer look will often prefer boosted settings.

[d514]

Originally Posted by philochs

Dude, when you watch Dolby Vision material on a Dolby Vision capable tv, your tv isn't dithering anything at all. You're simply watching an unadulterated 12-bit signal via a 10-bit panel. Your tv is doing 12-bit signal processing. It's a way of preventing color banding, period. Once 12-bit panels with 12-bit signal processing become standard, then 12-bit encodes will be even better, as you should then be able to see far more shades of colors as well.

How can a 10bit panel display a 12bit signal? In the end it has to be converted to 10bit because the panel can't display 12bit.

So you have a 12bit source and a 10bit display. With DV the 12bit to 10bit conversion is done at home, with HDR10 the conversion is done in the studio. Why should a conversion at home be better every time?

[PeterTHX]

Originally Posted by LordoftheRings

Lol, that sounds similar to Michael Mann's new remastered 'Heat'.
The studios play with tactics/Tic Tac mints.

Mann actually talked about regrading the entire film with the 4K remaster.

[LordoftheRings]

Originally Posted by PeterTHX

Mann actually talked about regrading the entire film with the 4K remaster.

That would be for our next purchase.

* Meanwhile:

Heat (1995) - The Look of the Film - YouTube

- http://www.filmdetail.com/2017/02/22/blu-ray-heat-1995/