The Fifth Element 4K UHD (1997) (20th Anniversary Edition)

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by aetherhole

To be fair, the adoration for DV isn't really blind. We have enough of DV content, both on Netflix and on Vudu, to form valid opinions. Vudu specifically allows people to compare the DV counterparts to the disc HDR10 counterparts.
A lot of us are seeing an appreciable difference, which is why there's a general enthusiasm built up.

Back to TFA... I don't care if it is HDR10 or DV, I will most likely quintuple dip (or is this the 6th iteration?) this badboy, as long as the transfer gets good reviews!

That's why I said disc specifically. I know there's DV content in streaming but I wanna see what a proper high-bitrate comparison of both will yield, especially on the higher end LCDs. DV making HDR perform better on OLEDs with their sometimes less than optimal tone mapping and reduced peak brightness (what, 100+ nits on a full-field white pattern?) is one thing, but those super-duper LCDs are something else.

[StingingVelvet]

Originally Posted by aetherhole

To be fair, the adoration for DV isn't really blind. We have enough of DV content, both on Netflix and on Vudu, to form valid opinions. Vudu specifically allows people to compare the DV counterparts to the disc HDR10 counterparts.
A lot of us are seeing an appreciable difference, which is why there's a general enthusiasm built up.

To be fair in return, it's going to depend on equipment to a large degree. I fully expect people with lower-nit sets and less accurate tone mapping to come in here singing Dolby's praises. That doesn't mean every set needs it or benefits from it to the same degree. In the end it's the tone of the posts that makes me roll my eyes. Less "OMG DOLBY IS REQUIRED IT'S THE BEST" and more "will be interesting to see if Dolby improves the PQ on my OLED" would be ideal.

[Geoff D]

Yep. It'd just be nice to have the hyperbole toned down a little, as a lot of the time the "blind adoration" (as I called it) isn't coming from the people who are actually experiencing DV right now on their TVs but from folks who don't even ****ing have a 4K TV!

[vincentric]

You know with me I call it how I see it, I will have no problem tearing DV on disc a new one if I don't see much of a real world improvement with my eyes on my end.

[Geoff D]

Aye, and as I said: on the flip side if I think it really is this astonishing development akin to putting man on the moon then I'll have no problem singing its praises.

[aetherhole]

I agree lower nit TV's like OLEDs will be able to benefit from Dynamic HDR. I just really have a hard time imagining that TVs like the Z9D, which is touting so boldly that it will be getting DV, won't see an appreciable difference either.

Why go through the hassle of paying license fees, implementing it, etc. if it doesn't make a damn bit of difference? That's why it doesn't make sense to me. I think it does make a difference and Sony is seeing it in their R&D, but that's all speculation on my part until we get official reports.

It's definitely a wait and see game right now. Even AFTER the first few DV titles begin to come out on disc, I believe people should still curb their judgment. As with every new technology and format, there will likely be some growing pains associated.

[vincentric]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

Aye, and as I said: on the flip side if I think it really is this astonishing development akin to putting man on the moon then I'll have no problem singing its praises.

I can still recall grinning from ear to ear the first time I saw that Mad Max sun last year, which I can understand being more of a subtle thing to some others but was a man on the moon moment for me. I think if DV can provide some subtle but noticeable enough improvements such as that then I will be satisfied.

[Geoff D]

The bit with Furiousa yelling at the heavens in the desert was my own "OMG" moment with this format that made me realise I wasn't in Kansas any more, and that was just in converted SDR.

I watched Fantastic Beasts the other night on the ZD9 and the HDR gave me another such jolt, not just for the ultra-bright highlights (holy shit they're bright) but the lowlight scenes like the dinner table lit by candlelight, it looked beyond gorgeous.

Going from SDR to UHD albeit converted SDR 2020 was a HUGE step up. Going from converted SDR to true >1000-nit HDR has been a similarly big step up (although I really was getting HDR 'lite' before so the differences on some movies aren't as pronounced). Will going from Open Source HDR Vision to Dolby Vision repeat the trick a third time, taking my personal viewing experience to yet another higher plane?

As you say, I think it'll provide subtle but welcome improvements on something like the ZD9, but on an OLED the differences should be much more pronounced.

[DJJez]

dying to test out DV discs but like other dude said we shouldnt judge it so quickly. it could take quite a few releases before we see what its really capable of.

just like with 4k, there are some amazing discs and some lousy ones

im not gonna jump on the DV bandwagon. if it makes **** all difference. you heard it here first

[Geoff D]

Your second point is one of the most pertinent: it won't make something deliberately designed to look grainy and washed out seem like anything other than grainy and washed out. It will also minimise mapping when the target content is achieved by the display so aside from some slight adjustments to colour volume I wouldn't actually expect to see massive differences on the ZD9 between HDR10 and DV for any content hitting 1500 nits or less. If I do, then y'all are gonna hear about it. I'll have a DV enabled player alongside my trusty Panny (debating whether to get the OPPO as I don't want to disgrace my setup with an LG player, ugh) so I can do me some comparisons.

[vincentric]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

The bit with Furiousa yelling at the heavens in the desert was my own "OMG" moment with this format that made me realise I wasn't in Kansas any more, and that was just in converted SDR.

I watched Fantastic Beasts the other night on the ZD9 and the HDR gave me another such jolt, not just for the ultra-bright highlights (holy shit they're bright) but the lowlight scenes like the dinner table lit by candlelight, it looked beyond gorgeous.

Going from SDR to UHD albeit converted SDR 2020 was a HUGE step up. Going from converted SDR to true >1000-nit HDR has been a similarly big step up (although I really was getting HDR 'lite' before so the differences on some movies aren't as pronounced). Will going from Open Source HDR Vision to Dolby Vision repeat the trick a third time, taking my personal viewing experience to yet another higher plane?

As you say, I think it'll provide subtle but welcome improvements on something like the ZD9, but on an OLED the differences should be much more pronounced.

That lavender tinted sky/sunset did look very lovely to me too.

I have Beasts in 3D which looks quite, ahem, fantastic on the OLED but am still very interested in seeing it in 4K as it was a great movie to me worthy of eventual double dip.

Man the amount of tinkering you did on that sdr conversion was some epic shite which would have driven me, nay, just about any other person, insane. Glad to hear you are enjoying the Z9D, looking forward to hearing your DV impressions on it. FWIW, am itchin for a full fat 1000+ nit telly, I thought the c6 would murder the 850c but that hdr lite sony has some legs and has held up considerably well to me.

I am excited to see if DV will make a nice difference on the OLED but at the same time will keep my expectations in check.

[DJJez]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

Your second point is one of the most pertinent: it won't make something deliberately designed to look grainy and washed out seem like anything other than grainy and washed out. It will also minimise mapping when the target content is achieved by the display so aside from some slight adjustments to colour volume I wouldn't actually expect to see massive differences on the ZD9 between HDR10 and DV for any content hitting 1500 nits or less. If I do, then y'all are gonna hear about it. I'll have a DV enabled player alongside my trusty Panny (debating whether to get the OPPO as I don't want to disgrace my setup with an LG player, ugh) so I can do me some comparisons.

get the oppo mate. anything else is just 2nd best

[DJJez]

Originally Posted by vincentric

That lavender tinted sky/sunset did look very lovely to me too.

I have Beasts in 3D which looks quite, ahem, fantastic on the OLED but am still very interested in seeing it in 4K as it was a great movie to me worthy of eventual double dip.

Man the amount of tinkering you did on that sdr conversion was some epic shite which would have driven me, nay, just about any other person, insane. Glad to hear you are enjoying the Z9D, looking forward to hearing your DV impressions on it. FWIW, am itchin for a full fat 1000+ nit telly, I thought the c6 would murder the 850c but that hdr lite sony has some legs and has held up considerably well to me.

I am excited to see if DV will make a nice difference on the OLED but at the same time will keep my expectations in check.

theres quite a few of us on here with 2016 OLEDs so should get some good opinions for sure. im really looking forward to discussing it

[HeavyHitter]

Does the slider add anything on the UB900 for HDR vs the Oppo?

[vincentric]

Originally Posted by DJJez

theres quite a few of us on here with 2016 OLEDs so should get some good opinions for sure. im really looking forward to discussing it

Sounds good, but I may not be able to shell out the big bucks for the oppo player and may have settle for the lg one. I haven't kept up on current events, is the Sony x800 player dv upgradeable? If yes I'd rather get that over the LG 970.

[DJJez]

Originally Posted by vincentric

Sounds good, but I may not be able to shell out the big bucks for the oppo player and may have settle for the lg one. I haven't kept up on current events, is the Sony x800 player dv upgradeable? If yes I'd rather get that over the LG 970.

before it was released i think sony said it was at one point but noone has heard anything since so i dont think anyone can quite say for sure yet

[vincentric]

Hopefully the say something by the time the Despicable flicks are released. Probably won't find out for sure until Resident Evil though I reckon.

[Kris Deering]

Those with OLEDs, or really and HDR display with lackluster tone mapping will see benefits to DV right off the bat. LG's OLEDs especially. The tone mapping on these TVs go from really bad (models prior to this year) to okay (this year). With DV the tone mapping is nearly perfect. So that will show benefits immediately. With 12 bit there is less chance of banding in the image or with the display. Otherwise I don't expect large differences. If anything DV just provides a MUCH better chance of having a trouble free presentation of the movie as intended or to the best possible quality with a given display.

[SPIDERone]

Originally Posted by DJJez

before it was released i think sony said it was at one point but noone has heard anything since so i dont think anyone can quite say for sure yet

From what I've heard, Sony hasn't committed to it at all. Someone said that it does have the necessary hardware, it's just a matter of whether or not it happens.

I'm a big SONY fan, but I've had products that were even promised firmware updates but never got them.. If DV is something they can put in an x900 (for example), they might not add it to the x800, just to give people a reason to upgrade (or make it easier to sell the newer model).

Unfortunately, even recent products which firmware updates promised (HLG on the 2016 LG OLEDs, DV on the Oppo 203) haven't come through yet, so I'm hoping they do.

[Kris Deering]

The Oppo will have DV soon, it is already added in beta (which I have). So probably sooner than later for that.