Wonder Woman (2017)

[tdl797]

Follow up to the responses to my spoiler tagged queston

[Show spoiler]Thanks to everyone for the parachute info. I didn't even think about when their use became commonplace.

[Det. Bullock]

Originally Posted by BWBODDY

Parachute use in World War I
1914 - 1918

Prior to the Great War the use of parachutes was seen as foolhardy and undertaken only by showmen and women
to thrill crowds of voyeuristic spectators.
Cavalry units were the main reconnaissance and observers of enemy positions who then reported back to enable artillery to
accurately engage enemy positions.

The war of 1914 was to change this role.

It was the advent of artillery with greater ranges and the ability of aerial machines to rise high enough to observe and report back more
comprehensively the layout of the unfolding battle that changed this aspect of warfare.
Observation of the enemy from a stable platform was achieved by the use
of tethered observation balloons carrying beneath them a wicker basket occupied by observers.

The very stability and static nature of the balloons rendered them as a tempting target for enemy aircraft and the method
of winching down a balloon by its ground crew was not always fast enough to ensure a safe descent and saving of its occupant.
To secure the safety of the observers parachutes were used as "life-savers".

They were attached to the balloon rigging and all the observer had to do in theory was to jump out and his falling mass would snatch
the parachute from its container and the parachute would open.
As the war continued the use of the parachute became an accepted and trusted method to save lives.

No such device was considered appropriate for aviators and crews to fixed wing aircraft.

Was he on a balloon then?
I have yet to see the movie since the closest cinema is at two hours of ferry plus one hour of coach from where I work and since I work the night shift I can't afford to stay a night on the mainland.

[GDHickey]

Yet another awesome DCU film. My only problems with the movie were after about an hour I couldn't notice the 3D anymore, and that little bastard that kept spitting soggy popcorn at me. I realize the 3D thing is me lol. Great film, awesome cinematography, great acting,and awesome effects.

[yellowjacket1]

Originally Posted by tdl797

I enjoyed the movie. I don't know if it is one I would want to watch again and again though.

Here's one question I have that maybe someone else has already asked:

[Show spoiler]
Why didn't Steve Trevor have a parachute?
There should have been one on the plane if he was not prepared.

I thought he was going to tap her on the shoulder when they were mourning him and it would turn out he was alright. Ha. Granted, he could be using that everyone thinks he's dead to advantage with his spying?

That would have been very Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade and I would have loved it!

[leburn98]

Originally Posted by zeze

I was skeptical going into this film because of DC's track record but I am glad to say that this is the first good film in the DCEU.

Regarding Trevor.

[Show spoiler]While part of me would like to see him return as Gadot and Pine had good chemistry, the other part of me thinks that if they bring him back it will take away from the impact the last scenes in this movie had. Also before going into the movie, I was kind of tipped off on what was going to happen to Trevor, so the scenes with Trevor and WW throughout the movie had a greater impact for me (knowing that she will lose him).

Yah I felt much the same way about Steve Trevor. Maybe

[Show spoiler]Hades can do WW a solid and bring Steve back from the dead . Seriously though,
as much as I liked the chemistry between Pine and Gadot, I think it's the right move to keep Steve's death permanent.

[unsung122212]

Originally Posted by Det. Bullock

Was he on a balloon then?
I have yet to see the movie since the closest cinema is at two hours of ferry plus one hour of coach from where I work and since I work the night shift I can afford to stay a night on the mainland.

No, it was a plane

[Show spoiler]carrying the poison on a timer

. Although, I could have sworn the pilot had a parachute on. After all,

[Show spoiler]the plane was meant be released or decent into London. It would have been a suicide mission for the pilot.

[AaronJ]

Originally Posted by leburn98

Yah I felt much the same way about Steve Trevor. Maybe

[Show spoiler]Hades can do WW a solid and bring Steve back from the dead . Seriously though,
as much as I liked the chemistry between Pine and Gadot, I think it's the right move to keep Steve's death permanent.

Yeah, I'm in agreement with you guys.

[Show spoiler]Though it is sad because, as you both said, Gadot and Pine had great chemistry.

[RalphoR]

Even if somehow

[Show spoiler]Trevor survived they could always have flashback scenes with them in the past now and again and just leave it at that.

[AaronJ]

Originally Posted by RalphoR

Even if somehow

[Show spoiler]Trevor survived they could always have flashback scenes with them in the past now and again and just leave it at that.

That makes sense. Good idea.

[toddly6666]

Steve Rogers had great chemistry with Peggy carter too in first film. Look how she got pushed to the side in the sequels. Furthermore, If steve trevor followed the same pattwrn as peggy carter, audiences will say DC is copying Marvel. What they did with Steve trevor was perfect.

[Groot]

I want him in the other films. I'm sure others, particularly women like myself, feel the same.

[Dragon Ranger]

In my opinion he

[Show spoiler]should stay dead; proof that war has consequences

which was definitely one of the main themes. Waving

[Show spoiler]a magic wand and bringing him back

would lessen the dramatic impact.

[toddly6666]

People will pay to see Wonder Woman and Cheetah kiss as they do sometimes in the comics.

[Dragon Ranger]

When you read some forum comments....

[Groot]

Originally Posted by Dragon Ranger

In my opinion he

[Show spoiler]should stay dead; proof that war has consequences

which was definitely one of the main themes. Waving

[Show spoiler]a magic wand and bringing him back

would lessen the dramatic impact.

Not really. Another major figure in a recent movie *cough -points at username- cough* didn't have his sacrifice lessened by being brought back. Bucky's "death" in TFA isn't lessened by them introducing the TWS storyline. There's always ways to make something meaningful while bringing something new to the table. Coulson's "death" in The Avengers isn't short-changed because he's brought back later. Superman "died" for the world and he's...well he's coming back too.

[Dragon Ranger]

Originally Posted by Groot

Not really. Another major figure in a recent movie *cough -points at username- cough* didn't have his sacrifice lessened by being brought back. Bucky's "death" in TFA isn't lessened by them introducing the TWS storyline. There's always ways to make something meaningful while bringing something new to the table. Coulson's "death" in The Avengers isn't short-changed because he's brought back later. Superman "died" for the world and he's...well he's coming back too.

I'm not saying its an absolute rule but I think in this specific case it should be left as is.

Also if you are referring to the movie your avatar and username are from I'm afraid I can't compare as I didn't see Guardians 2 as I am not a fan.

I also don't do comparisons, I prefer to take movies on their own merits.

[Groot]

Originally Posted by Dragon Ranger

I'm not saying its an absolute rule but I think in this specific case it should be left as is.

Eh. I think there's numerous ways to do it that doesn't undercut what happens and keeps the emotional core there. The main praise of the film has come from those two together, they need to bottle it and re-sale it again.

[Dragon Ranger]

Originally Posted by Groot

Eh. I think there's numerous ways to do it that doesn't undercut what happens and keeps the emotional core there. The main praise of the film has come from those two together, they need to bottle it and re-sale it again.

I'd argue the main praise has been the portrayal of strong female characters, the bringing of humour to the DCEU (while not undercutting the strong thematics) and then the chemistry between Diana and Steve.

I'd argue that trying to re do the last part would not provide a new angle which a sequel needs. Formulas become a danger in franchise movies and DC has been bold in it's choices (killing Zod, portraying Batman in a less than heroic manner until his redemption etc) and I want this boldness to continue.

Respect your opinion though and its a pleasure to debate with someone without it turning into a slanging match (which unfortunately happens a lot on these and other forums).

[Groot]

Originally Posted by Dragon Ranger

I'd argue the main praise has been the portrayal of strong female characters, the bringing of humour to the DCEU (while not undercutting the strong thematics) and then the chemistry between Diana and Steve.

I'd argue that trying to re do the last part would not provide a new angle which a sequel needs. Formulas become a danger in franchise movies and DC has been bold in it's choices (killing Zod, portraying Batman in a less than heroic manner until his redemption etc) and I want this boldness to continue.

Respect your opinion though and its a pleasure to debate with someone without it turning into a slanging match (which unfortunately happens a lot on these and other forums).

I can agree with those points. I also appreciate the comments at the end. It's nice to debate without getting venomous towards someone.

From my perspective one of the best things about it was the chemistry. As a girl growing up I always found Wonder Woman cheesy, I didn't really like the old tv show. BvS made WW cool, Gal has the charm to make her likable and fun to watch and the solo film took it to another level with her playing off Pine so well. I don't personally put a lot of stock in the "female" driven thing people want to go to, I get why they do...it's just a non-factor for me.

I'm also biased here as Pine is probably my favorite male actor in Hollywood right now and seeing a superhero romance that for once seemed believable, well since Cap and Peggy, was welcome. I got short-changed with Cap/Peggy, I don't want that here - especially as I think it's the strongest one in the current CBM universes right now. Maybe they could hold off to WW3 or something if it's too forced feeling for the first sequel, but like the comics...Steve always shows back up.

My biggest issue with the DCU has been their one and done treatment of big names, like Russell Crowe and Michael Shannon, and I'd hate to see Chris Pine - who is one of the strongest actors in the DCU at this point, to be put in that same group.

[RockyIII]

The biggest difference between WW and First Avenger is that FA had a great supporting cast. WW supporting cast was weak and very forgettable. I didn't feel any connection to the sniper, the indian dude, or the other multi-lingual guy. The Amazons had the personality of a dead rock. In FA all the supporting characters were rich in personality.

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