Blade Runner 4K UHD (1982)

[PeterTHX]

Originally Posted by Adam_ME

Yes, I noticed some changes in the 2007 Blu-ray, but nothing to this degree. Trust me, watch the UHD and then get back to me.

Quite possible those sounds were in there already but buried by other sounds.

Just slight changes in positioning and amplitude can make sounds appear to be added, but were in fact there all along.

[Adam_ME]

Originally Posted by PeterTHX

Quite possible those sounds were in there already but buried by other sounds.

Just slight changes in positioning and amplitude can make sounds appear to be added, but were in fact there all along.

I don't think so. Like I said, I've watched that opening countless times. Those are brand new sounds when the stacks belch fire. A-B the thing if you need to, but they sound far too different to be attributed to positioning.

I'm curious to check out the VUDU UHD copy to see if it has the same mix as the UHD disc. It says Dolby Atmos on VUDU, but I'll check it out tonight to confirm.

[heavyharmonies]

Originally Posted by curtw

Amazon Visa card through Chase. 2% cash back on Amazon purchases, 1% for others.

Not to stay off-topic, but in the public interest:

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You can pick which benefit you want (cashback or financing) every time you check out; it's not an all-or-nothing proposition.

It's an instant 5% off.

Granted, it can only be used on Amazon not anywhere else like the Amazon Visa, but I have other cards for general purchases. The store card for Amazon purchases is the bee's knees, IMO.

There apparently is also an "Amazon Prime Rewards Visa" card different from what OP posted that offers the same 5% cashback, and can be used everywhere, but not the 0% financing.

Comparison of the two cards:

https://www.amazon.com/Credit-Cards/...ode=1266766011

I have both cards, but use the Amazon Store card almost exclusively.

[Vangeli]

The scale model shots...

I have to agree with everyone and really hope restorations of other classics can live up to this one. Probably my favourite release yet.

[bbwiscfan]

Ordered Tuesday arrived Friday. Can't wait to see it.

[Go Blue]

I see Amazon is out. Did they have some initially? If so, what were they selling it for (now $33)?

[Vangeli]

Originally Posted by Go Blue

I see Amazon is out. Did they have some initially? If so, what were they selling it for (now $33)?

Pre-order dropped to ~$27, but tax made it $30.

[PeterTHX]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

If/when we get 2001: A Space Odyssey on 4K then it is going to burn down the old Blu-ray and piss on the ashes.

[Go Blue]

Originally Posted by Vangeli

Pre-order dropped to ~$27, but tax made it $30.

Thanks. Any other retails have it for under 30 with fast shipping?

[PeterTHX]

Originally Posted by Adam_ME

I don't think so. Like I said, I've watched that opening countless times. Those are brand new sounds when the stacks belch fire. A-B the thing if you need to, but they sound far too different to be attributed to positioning.

Lossy compression depends on the fact that louder sounds drown out other sounds in the same channel and the compressor will drop those low sounds out to save bits - not allocating data to stuff that can't be heard. If they change position they can now be heard.

[Vangeli]

Originally Posted by Go Blue

Thanks. Any other retails have it for under 30 with fast shipping?

Was gonna suggest Bullmoose (they have it for ~$28) but they moved it to in-store only for now, no online orders. I'm not aware of the situation in any other stores sadly.

[cgpublic]

Originally Posted by flyry

The bluray looks like absolute dog shit after watching the UHD. We're all screwed were definitely buying ALL of our movies again if they come out this good.

This is true. Then again, not every film is going to receive the same restoration received by Blade Runner, so our wallets should be somewhat safe.

Originally Posted by Adam_ME

The soundtrack on the other hand is a different matter. I've seen that opening sequence over 100 times and no one can convince me those aren't new sounds for the fire belching from the smokestacks. Plus they're too loud and drown out Vangelis' iconic score. I don't know why they couldn't include the original mix or at least the Dolby TrueHD 5.1 track from the Blu-ray as an alternative. It's annoying that the movie looks so good, but sounds so different from what I've watched all these years.

While it's highly unlikely that there new sound effects, your impression is perfectly understandable. The new Atmos mix does provide a very different, and to my ears, superior impression, than previous releases. The analogy I would use it to listen to the same True HD 5.1 mix on two different AVRs, but only one has the ability to decode True HD.

Originally Posted by JackTwist

I think the Atmos remix (even though I only have 5.1) has opened up the soundscape far more than previously configured. The mix was certainly adjusted as there were moments where the back channels intensified and sounded much more aggressive, especially against the dialogue in the center channel. I never felt it was improperly mixed, more that what was being said at that moment was irrelevant to the diegetic sound from the surrounding area. It may be slight revisionism but, along with the visuals, created an immersive and exhilarating experience.

This.

Originally Posted by Geoff D

You know that they actually redid the audio mix for the Final Cut, right? A whole bunch of sounds got added or replaced, particularly the foley, it's been different from the moment I first saw it in 2007. I haven't watched the UHD yet so I can't say either way as to what's happened to that specific mix, but I'd be very surprised if they've actually done any more changes to it. What are you listening on? Someone earlier in the thread mentioned how the sound effects drowned out the score when they were listening in stereo, it doesn't appear to downmix all that well.

And this.

Originally Posted by PeterTHX

Quite possible those sounds were in there already but buried by other sounds. Just slight changes in positioning and amplitude can make sounds appear to be added, but were in fact there all along.

More of this.

Originally Posted by Adam_ME

I don't think so. Like I said, I've watched that opening countless times. Those are brand new sounds when the stacks belch fire. A-B the thing if you need to, but they sound far too different to be attributed to positioning. I'm curious to check out the VUDU UHD copy to see if it has the same mix as the UHD disc. It says Dolby Atmos on VUDU, but I'll check it out tonight to confirm.

If your TV and AVR support Dolby Digital Plus (DD+)/Atmos over HDMI ARC, you will get the same mix, but it will be the lossy Atmos track, not the lossless track on the UHD disc. The net is that it will not sound the same, and sounds which are prominent on the disc will be diminished or even absent. I've listened to both, and increasing the volume for the Vudu lossy track doesn't move the needle in comparison to the UHD disc Atmos track.

It's that good.

[NotASpeckOfCereal]

Originally Posted by maverick22

Could someone please sell me on this movie?

You can always rent it first.

Just a note for those looking at the VUDU UHD. I trust that you realize that you did not download a UHD copy from the code. The "UHD available" icon on your screen is an invitation to spend more to actually get the UHD version -- until then, you only have a normal HD copy to stream. I have no idea of the HD is Dolby Vision or if you only get that with the UHD upgrade.

Eh?
.

[Vangeli]

Originally Posted by NotASpeckOfCereal

You can always rent it first.

Just a note for those looking at the VUDU UHD. I trust that you realize that you did not download a UHD copy from the code. The "UHD available" icon on your screen is an invitation to spend more to actually get the UHD version -- until then, you only have a normal HD copy to stream. I have no idea of the HD is Dolby Vision or if you only get that with the UHD upgrade.

Eh?
.

Mine says I own UHD. The product description says "UHD now available," which I'm sure is there to let anyone who owns it in HD know that they can upgrade to UHD.

[cgpublic]

Originally Posted by Go Blue

I see Amazon is out. Did they have some initially? If so, what were they selling it for (now $33)?

It dropped to $28+ a few weeks before release. With a 5% Prime Card discount and free shipping, good to go.

[cgpublic]

Originally Posted by NotASpeckOfCereal

You can always rent it first. Just a note for those looking at the VUDU UHD. I trust that you realize that you did not download a UHD copy from the code. The "UHD available" icon on your screen is an invitation to spend more to actually get the UHD version -- until then, you only have a normal HD copy to stream. I have no idea of the HD is Dolby Vision or if you only get that with the UHD upgrade. Eh?

Code provided from my UHD disc redeemed/plays in UHD on Vudu:

[Mierzwiak]

I just watched few scenes. What a GORGEOUS looking disc, and the grain... so organic, natural and beautiful.

Top photo - Blu-ray, bottom - UHD:

[tyrok]

My stores 3 copies finally showed up today. I immediately took one out to one of my best customers who had just asked about it (he gets nearly every 4K release).

[vjo81]

Originally Posted by DJR662

Am I the only one who liked what the regular Blu-ray looked like? It sure did not look bad to my eyes, especially considering it's a 10 year old BD25. I saw it for the first time last year and I remember liking the overal look of the movie. Guess I'm in for a real treat then when I pop in that 4K disc when it arrives...

The Blu-ray was very good for the technology at the time but the other night I watched the 4K version and then popped the Blu-ray to see what specials it had. I scanned through a few scenes and realized how much better the 4K is in almost every way. I'll be curious to see how Apollo 11 looks in 4K since the Anniversary Blu-ray was really outstanding.

[Doctorossi]

Originally Posted by tyrok

My stores 3 copies finally showed up today.

Whereabouts is your store?