Dunkirk 4K UHD (2017)

[BozQ]

Originally Posted by Pieter V

No, I wasn't joking, that's why I said it might be a stupid idea.

I know it's all post-production work all done in the suite. But some people mentioned they did hear the IMAX cameras on Interstellar.

Nolan fixed that problem using 65mm on, yes.

Christopher Nolan likes to use dialogue recorded on set rather than doing ADR. So if they said they've heard the IMAX cameras, it's probably during dialogue scenes.

You'd probably not hear much from Dunkirk since there's so little dialogue anyway.

[xbs2034]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

Nolan doesn't really do dynamic, he just does LOUD and he pitches the dialogue right on the cusp of intelligibility. With something like Inception the dialogue is much clearer (it has to be, the movie revolves around its constant exposition) but IIRC Nolan said in an interview that he wanted to move away from that kind of narrative focus in his movies, that the dialogue was less important to the experience in Interstellar and now Dunkirk.


You know that sound mixes aren't done on location, right? That everything aside from the dialogue (for which scenes he used the soundproofed 5-perf cameras anyway) is basically re-recorded and remixed from scratch on a dubbing stage? You may well be joking but I had someone else on another forum start talking about how they "didn't record on the set for Atmos only 5.1" so I just wanna be sure...

I think his IMAX mixes are where the dialogue problems really come in. With Inception in 15/70, I found the dialogue to be drowned out by the score or sound effects plenty of times, and on the Blu I found the mix significantly clearer.

Then with Interstellar, I saw it first in 70mm and there were a few lines I couldn't make out, but nothing major. And certainly glad I saw that first, cause in IMAX Digital two weeks later, large portions of dialogue where problematic and there were crucial scenes I wouldn't have understood (such as Michael Caine's big one) otherwise.

Like Interstellar, I saw Dunkirk and Rises twice in theaters, once in IMAX and once not, and there I didn't notice any major mix problems either way (again, a few lines I couldn't make out, the Rises IMAX prologue though was a complete mess).

[Merkur]

Originally Posted by Pieter V

This may sound stupid, but could Nolan done a loud mix, just to mask the loudness of those IMAX cameras?

You're not far off actually. I don't what an IMAX sounds like but in some loud moments in Interstellar, you can hear a slight flicker which blends very well with the sound effects. I don't think he purposely mixes loud to mask the loudness but it helps.

Originally Posted by Geoff D

Nolan doesn't really do dynamic, he just does LOUD and he pitches the dialogue right on the cusp of intelligibility.

But isn't the trick to "loud" is a dynamic mix? I actually tried to analyze both Interstellar's and Inception's mixes to understand the difference which is very noticeable. I can play Inception and hear the dialogue clearly without having to crank the volume so high while in Interstellar, I have to raise the volume to a higher level to hear the dialogue clearly but then the loud moments become extremely loud.
But I couldn't really notice the difference with the waveforms.

Interstellar:


First 3-5 minutes of Interstellar:


Inception:

[Geoff D]

You can have dynamics and loudness, but it doesn't have to be dynamic to just be loud.

In any case, in the previous post I'm just paraphrasing what his boom operator on Dunkirk said, unfortunately he's deleted his posts otherwise I'd link to them...

[singhcr]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

You know that sound mixes aren't done on location, right? That everything aside from the dialogue (for which scenes he used the soundproofed 5-perf cameras anyway) is basically re-recorded and remixed from scratch on a dubbing stage? You may well be joking but I had someone else on another forum start talking about how they "didn't record on the set for Atmos only 5.1" so I just wanna be sure...

What??? I thought the score was done live on the beach!

[GLaDOS]

Originally Posted by singhcr

What??? I thought the score was done live on the beach!

They'd be drowned by the noises the IMAX cameras make.

[Laserdisk]

Originally Posted by singhcr

What??? I thought the score was done live on the beach!

Do the people that write Zimmers music travel?

[dommie]

Interesting note: Academy screeners for Dunkirk are being sent out in 4K for those members who signed up for the format (deadline was October 31). What's also interesting is that The Dark Knight was the first Academy screener to go out on Blu-ray (to those members who had the capability) back in 2008. Requirements are also that this 4K screener is not the same disc pressing that will go retail in December.

[Pieter V]

Even the DVD gets the IMAX scope.

[ROSS.T.G.]

Nice

[bluescholar]

Originally Posted by Laserdisk

It's less a mix and more an accident

It's less a mix and more a defining disaster in history.

[Laserdisk]

Originally Posted by Pieter V

Even the DVD gets the IMAX scope.

Hybrid widescreen is my cure covers band.

[xbs2034]

While the Wal-Mart exclusive of Revenge of the Fallen was available as a DVD, I believe this might be the first wide DVD release to include IMAX exclusive switching aspect ratios.

[CBMe]

Originally Posted by Brother_Dobby

Apologies if this is old news, but the back cover has been released (on this site) and confirms that the IMAX scenes are there in their open aspect ratio. I'll take this as a good sign that the rest of Nolan's 4K catalogue will have the IMAX scenes too.

[Show spoiler]

Interesting that it lists 1:78 second. If I recall from my (real) IMAX screening almost all of it was in IMAX format (quick search suggests ~75%). Hopefully the scene formatting stays the same as it was in the theaters (with the IMAX scenes being cropped to 1:78 of course).

[Geoff D]

Of course it will. Don't worry about what order the ratios are listed in.

[GLaDOS]

Officially placed my pre-order. My first ever 4K UHD.

[Old Bones]

Geeez this should be a 4K but it isn't

https://static.afbeeldinguploaden.nl...1/bsWx5zIn.jpg

https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...2#post14361852

[flyry]

Bill Hunt said this was a jaw dropping disc. But this also came as he spelled Nolan's first name as "Christipher" and misspelled attendance.

[RustinCohle]

Was checking the status on one of my Amazon orders and noticed that they 'updated' the cover art for this..

[krismate]

Originally Posted by RustinCohle

Was checking the status on one of my Amazon orders and noticed that they 'updated' the cover art for this..

Noticed that too haha