Scream Factory Blu-ray Discussion Thread

[mja345]

Originally Posted by splintersan

This doesn't even make sense. They are upset at JC3 being made and released, allowing Salva to direct it and continue to work in the field. They are fully aware of what he did and the film he did on, otherwise how could they even be upset about it?

I'm not saying it shouldn't be released, I firmly stand that it should be released. My point is that it will be hard to release and I agree with worship, CR is the most likely to release with the least amount "problems" from these people.

I doubt any of those people are going to stop watch Miramax films after all this Weinstein shit and he ****ed up substantially more people than Salva. And I bet they still watch Polanski & Allen films too.

They are aware of a 2017 film being made and being released theatrically, given Salva's past. Have you ever seen a member of the outrage mob give two shits about something released by an obscure home video label? Shout and Criterion are the only two home video labels that I would trust anyone from the outrage police to have even heard of, and that's pushing it. Social media reacts to current events far more than some HV label releasing a 30 year old film, especially one as niche as Code Red. That's all I'm saying.

[GasmaskAvenger]

Originally Posted by redrunner97

(and that's if MGM would even agree to license it out in the first place)

I guess you missed the part where MGM no longer has the rights to Clownhouse.

Originally Posted by redrunner97

What makes this film unique, in my mind, is that it's artistic merit is questionable when you take into account the fact that it was used as an avenue for Salva to prey on the lead actor. He didn't just direct the film. He also wrote it, including the role that he later cast with a child actor he seemingly intended to molest.

From the research i've done, what was going on between Victor Salva and Nathan Forrest Winters had been happening even before Clownhouse became a thing, as Winters was previously in a short Salva made prior called "Something in the Basement".

Yeah, its a really, really screwed up situation and I agree with your sentiment, but I also agree that fans of the film should at least be given the opportunity to see the film in high definition some way or another.

Maybe if Code Red released Clownhouse, all of the money made from people buying it could go to a charity of helping out recovering victims of sexual abuse or something, I dunno.

[captainron_howdy]

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[fnvmaster]

Originally Posted by redrunner97

I'd argue that there are already exceptions to the rule (snuff films, child pornography, etc.) and I'm pretty sure you'd agree with those being off limits for public consumption.

What makes this film unique, in my mind, is that it's artistic merit is questionable when you take into account the fact that it was used as an avenue for Salva to prey on the lead actor. He didn't just direct the film. He also wrote it, including the role that he later cast with a child actor he seemingly intended to molest.

I guess if I had to express myself concisely, I would say that I reject this film as art and thus I don't view this as a censorship issue in the narrow sense.

Lol I get to decide what art is so **** everybody that just wants to see a scary clown movie. If there were tyrannical nutjobs like you running the show, the only thing that would be allowed to be put on dvd is the complete Mr. Rogers Neighborhood series.

[redrunner97]

Originally Posted by GasmaskAvenger

I guess you missed the part where MGM no longer has the rights to Clownhouse.

Has that been confirmed? I thought it was just conjecture.

Originally Posted by fnvmaster

Lol I get to decide what art is so **** everybody that just wants to see a scary clown movie. If there were tyrannical nutjobs like you running the show, the only thing that would be allowed to be put on dvd is the complete Mr. Rogers Neighborhood series.

Except I'm not running the show. So I don't see how my opinion of this one movie hurts you.

I also said I didn't view it as art in a narrow sense; obviously it's art. I just believe it's artistic value is entirely diminished by the controversy.

[JackForrester]

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Clownhouse would be day 1 for me.


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[Markgway]

I've never seen Clownhouse. And d'you know what? I'm glad. Because it means I'll never know if I would've liked it and thus I'll never have to choose between conscience and entertainment.

[rickah88]

Originally Posted by redrunner97

I just believe it's artistic value is entirely diminished by the controversy.

But you have Rosemary’s Baby in your collection. Surely you must feel that art is diminished by the controversy?

[redrunner97]

Originally Posted by rickah88

But you have Rosemary’s Baby in your collection. Surely you must feel that art is diminished by the controversy?

How is that the same? Polanski is a creep too, but he didn't commit his crimes while directing a movie that starred the victim.

I'm not inherently against Salva's other films. It's just this one that I find so repulsive.

Honestly, it's a very unique situation. I can't think of another one quite like it.

[rickah88]

Originally Posted by redrunner97

How is that the same? Polanski is a creep too, but he didn't commit his crimes while directing a movie that starred the victim.

I'm not inherently against Salva's other films. It's just this one that I find so repulsive.

Honestly, it's a very unique situation. I can't think of another one quite like it.

Polanski committed just as horrible a crime and you support him by having his artwork in your collection.
So as long as the artist in question didn’t commit the crime on set, or subtly implied it in their artwork then they get a pass...gotcha!
Hey, to each his/her own.

Let’s just all agree we like what we want to like and move on.

[redrunner97]

Originally Posted by rickah88

Polanski committed just as horrible a crime and you support him by having his artwork in your collection.

So as long as the artist in question didn’t commit the crime on set, or subtly implied it in their artwork then they get a pass...gotcha!

Hey, to each his/her own.

My issue isn't with Salva's other films. As a matter of fact, had two of Salva's films (the Jeepers Creepers movies) in my collection up until about two or three weeks ago when I sold my Fox double feature on ebay to upgrade to the Scream Factory versions when I finally get around to picking up Jeepers Creepers 3.

He's still a disgusting person, but I can separate his crimes from his art to an extent. I can't with Clownhouse though. The surrounding circumstances are just too unsettling. Others can though, and that's their right.

For the record though: I never shamed anyone who likes the film and wants to see it released and I never blasted all of Silva's movies either. I simply contributed my opinion, challenging the view of others, and replied to/defended completely valid criticisms of my own view.

Originally Posted by rickah88

Let’s just all agree we like what we want to like and move on.

Absolutely.

[JupiterMission]

Originally Posted by mja345

I mean, Kino just released "Blame it on Rio" and I haven't heard anyone complaining about that. Probably because most people who would be upset, one, have never heard of the film and, two, have no idea it's being released on BD. But that's a film that would send SJWs into a real tizzy.

I hadn't heard of the film until the announcement the other day. What's so controversial about it???

Also, to the fella that mentioned Pinocchio's Revenge: Man, that takes me back. I was terrified of evil puppets as a kid, so I could barely walk by that VHS cover in the video store, let alone watch it. Still haven't seen it to this day. Would definitely pick that one up.

[rickah88]

Originally Posted by redrunner97

My issue isn't with Salva's other films. As a matter of fact, had two of Salva's films (the Jeepers Creepers movies) in my collection up until about two or three weeks ago when I sold my Fox double feature on ebay to upgrade to the Scream Factory versions when I finally get around to picking up Jeepers Creepers 3.

He's still a disgusting person, but I can separate his crimes from his art to an extent. I can't with Clownhouse though. The surrounding circumstances are just too unsettling. Others can though, and that's their right.

For the record though: I never shamed anyone who likes the film and wants to see it released and I never blasted all of Silva's movies either. I simply contributed my opinion, challenging the view of others, and replied to/defended completely valid criticisms of my own view.

Absolutely.

I get what you’re saying. It’s just when you rip Salva yet support Polanski it kind of undermines the legitimacy a bit.

[mja345]

Originally Posted by JupiterMission

I hadn't heard of the film until the announcement the other day. What's so controversial about it???

Also, to the fella that mentioned Pinocchio's Revenge: Man, that takes me back. I was terrified of evil puppets as a kid, so I could barely walk by that VHS cover in the video store, let alone watch it. Still haven't seen it to this day. Would definitely pick that one up.

Michael Caine's character has sex with his best friend's underage daughter in it. The actress, Michelle Johnson, was actually underage at the time of the filming and did full-frontal nudity. That said, it's a pretty enjoyable comedy and Kino did a nice job on the BD.

[Mike0284]

Originally Posted by mja345

Michael Caine's character has sex with his best friend's underage daughter in it. The actress, Michelle Johnson, was actually underage at the time of the filming and did full-frontal nudity. That said, it's a pretty enjoyable comedy and Kino did a nice job on the BD.

From imdb,

According to contemporary news stories, special parental consent was required in order to allow the nude scenes featuring Michelle Johnson, as she was not yet 18 at the time they were filmed. Publicity for this movie also stated that Johnson was around two months out of high school when she was cast.

[rocknblues81]

Originally Posted by AKORIS

I haven't seen Clownhouse for a very long time.... think it was on HBO or Showtime....

I remember it being pretty good and clowns (to most people) automatically add a chill factor to horror films. I do remember however that something seemed odd with scenes of young boys running around in their underwear...

I can definitely differentiate fantasy (movies) from reality (actors or directors in real life) and still enjoy the movie... but I have to admit that this one particular example is a bit stronger than most.... it would be almost impossible to think about stuff you don't want to think about while watching the movie....

I think I last saw the film back in 1991 ish....

Honestly, I didn't know about what went on behind the scenes until a few years ago. I do remember thinking that it was strange that a bunch of young kids were running around in their underwear even though I was only about 11 at the time myself. It seemed so strange even then. That aside, I remember it as an effective horror movie that I tried to find again for a number of years. But this movie is hard to get a hold of.

But it's strange now. I think I would feel guilty for watching it now since I've been aware of what has happened.... That combined with the fact that I remember the children in underwear stuff. I think this would make it really hard to separate the artist from the art.

[babybreese]

Originally Posted by rickah88

Polanski committed just as horrible a crime and you support him by having his artwork in your collection.

No, he did not and he also did not make a series of movies reveling & glorifying his perversions.

[rdodolak]

Originally Posted by babybreese

No, he did not and he also did not make a series of movies reveling & glorifying his perversions.

How so? He raped a child, but unlike Salva he hasn't served his time and he still remains a fugitive. There are reports that Geimer wasn't Polanski's only victim.

[kdawq]

Originally Posted by mja345

Michael Caine's character has sex with his best friend's underage daughter in it. The actress, Michelle Johnson, was actually underage at the time of the filming and did full-frontal nudity. That said, it's a pretty enjoyable comedy and Kino did a nice job on the BD.

....ordered

[rickah88]

Originally Posted by babybreese

No, he did not and he also did not make a series of movies reveling & glorifying his perversions.

Please check facts before posting.