4K Questions That Don't Deserve Their Own Threads

[LordoftheRings]

1. Yes, the black bars are big, they take half the screen, very close.

2. The proper video setting is Screen Fit. @ 1.85:1 you do indeed have slight black bars...like you do in your 75" TV. Your 60" one needs to have the proper video setting for aspect ratio.

The black bars are the proper way in both cases, small or large.
You don't have black bars when in 1.78:1 aspect ratio.

Any fake zooming will broke the chain of the filmmaker's art.
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If you love plasma, OLED, and widescreen films a lot, like me, those TVs will retain the space of the black bars (burn-in). It is easily noticeable when watching IMAX scenes or any programs that fill the full screen.
There is no cure, it is part of the technology and of being a movie lover with wide aspect ratio...say 2.40:1 on average.

I'd rather buy a new TV every few years than use the zoom button to fill my screen.

[FilmFreakosaurus]

Originally Posted by Cinema74

A couple of Aspect Ratio questions. Actually, one AR question and one question about TV settings:

1) Was Hateful Eight shot in 2.76:1? I've got Ben-Hur sized black bars on my TV and I just want to make sure I don't have the wrong setting on my TV (or Blu-ray player)

2) I have a 75" TV. Everything in the 1.85:1 ratio has thin black bars on the top and bottom - my 60" set didn't have these. I don't enough about overscan but is this what could be causing the bars? If so, how can I fix this?

You should see thin black bars on 1.85:1 ratio movies if transferred to home video correctly. If you don't, then you have overscan on your monitor. Some units allow for a 1:1 pixel display mode in their picture settings that should turn off overscan. Some have built-in overscan that is not defeatable; mostly older displays.

[s2mikey]

Originally Posted by LordoftheRings

1. Yes, the black bars are big, they take half the screen, very close.

2. The proper video setting is Screen Fit. @ 1.85:1 you do indeed have slight black bars...like you do in your 75" TV. Your 60" one needs to have the proper video setting for aspect ratio.

The black bars are the proper way in both cases, small or large.
You don't have black bars when in 1.78:1 aspect ratio.

Any fake zooming will broke the chain of the filmmaker's art.
____

If you love plasma, OLED, and widescreen films a lot, like me, those TVs will retain the space of the black bars (burn-in). It is easily noticeable when watching IMAX scenes or any programs that fill the full screen.
There is no cure, it is part of the technology and of being a movie lover with wide aspect ratio...say 2.40:1 on average.

I'd rather buy a new TV every few years than use the zoom button to fill my screen.

I’ve owned plasmas and now an OLED and have never had burn in problems with black bars on any set. Ever. Not sure where you’re with getting this info from but it’s incorrect.

[Geoff D]

Rtings would suggest otherwise:

OLED Burn-in Test Update + Start of New Test - YouTube

As for Sicario being "fake 4K", just.....ugh.

[jaaguir]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

Rtings would suggest otherwise:

[Show spoiler]OLED Burn-in Test Update + Start of New Test - YouTube

As for Sicario being "fake 4K", just.....ugh.

That's great but they're not testing movie black bars are they?

[chip75]

Originally Posted by jaaguir

That's great but they're not testing movie black bars are they?

Image retention is image retention, but I'd be surprised if you went enough letterbox content in one go to make it a huge concern. Maybe if you binged watch some letterbox TV shows, but there aren't that many around.

My only run-in with burn-in was with my PC LCD monitor, MS Word got imprinted on the screen ...

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by jaaguir

That's great but they're not testing movie black bars are they?

The EXACT same principle applies so what difference does it make?

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by chip75

Image retention is image retention, but I'd be surprised if you went enough letterbox content in one go to make it a huge concern. Maybe if you binged watch some letterbox TV shows, but there aren't that many around.

My only run-in with burn-in was with my PC LCD monitor, MS Word got imprinted on the screen ...

Eh? No-one's saying it gets burned in overnight or "in one go", if you actually watch the video above the tests have been conducted over several months and in pretty extreme conditions by showing a fixed logo on coloured slides for 20 hours a day every day (methodology that they'll be adjusting for their next burn-in tests).

Even so, I'm not in this to own TVs for a few weeks but for years and due to my very movie-centric viewing habits and lack of desire to wrap the TV in the proverbial cotton wool as I use it I'm not taking that chance with a tech that's proven to have retention.

[Member-222782]

Originally Posted by FilmFreakosaurus

You should see thin black bars on 1.85:1 ratio movies if transferred to home video correctly. If you don't, then you have overscan on your monitor. Some units allow for a 1:1 pixel display mode in their picture settings that should turn off overscan. Some have built-in overscan that is not defeatable; mostly older displays.

This means every TV I've ever owned until January 2018 have been overscanning my DVDs and Blu-rays

[FilmFreakosaurus]

Originally Posted by trippledx3

This: (i know its not a big klipch set up, but like i said i live in a appartment in the city so) https://www.power.no/hoeyttalere-og-...E&gclsrc=aw.ds

When you have a chance at upgrading to a receiver with separate speakers for each immersive location and a subwoofer, you will enjoy Dolby Atmos and then DTS:X even more. Things that should be placed above you actually will.

[s2mikey]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

Rtings would suggest otherwise:

OLED Burn-in Test Update + Start of New Test - YouTube

Not even remotely close to black bars. C'mon.

Originally Posted by jaaguir

That's great but they're not testing movie black bars are they?

Nope - has zero to do with it.

Originally Posted by chip75

Image retention is image retention, but I'd be surprised if you went enough letterbox content in one go to make it a huge concern. Maybe if you binged watch some letterbox TV shows, but there aren't that many around.

My only run-in with burn-in was with my PC LCD monitor, MS Word got imprinted on the screen ...

Black bars have never caused any issues on emmissive displays unless you were to watch anamorphic films 24/7/365 for like years.

The overly dramatic claims of burn-in are just worthless jabs at the OLED tech which continually outperforms every LCD out there. Seems like sour grapes. This EXACT same stuff used to play out on various forums back when plasma was kicking LCDs rear-end in PQ.

Sorry - but this is getting old and I had to say something. Ill stop now.

[Geoff D]

You know why I'm going on about the black bars? Because they caused retention/burn/whatever on my Pioneer plasma after about 18 months of sporadic usage, and that is a fact. It's not about watching for 24/7, but if you're an intermittent user of a display (I don't watch TV out of habit and nor do I game, it's for movies movies movies so rarely gets used day to day) and only watch a certain type of content with some kind of fixed area of hard contrast (which a black bar most DEFINITELY is) then there's every chance that a self-emissive display will retain that delineation over time, particularly when being driven as bright as an OLED is in HDR mode.

I'm not saying OLED will burn in just as soon as you look at it and never have, what I am saying is that we don't all have the same viewing habits, nor do we share the same inclinations to babysit our TVs in case of such oddball habits - particularly because despite using non-torch settings and leaving the TV showing static at all hours of the day I STILL ended up with the borders getting retained on my Pio plasma. Been there, done that. And as for plasma being so incredibly superior to LCD it had plenty of its own problems and OLED has its own share too. Nothing is perfect, no matter how much we doth protest...

[koberulz]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

Nothing is perfect.

You'd think something would be by now, what are these companies even doing with their billions of dollars?

I just discovered that my TV seems to have a minimum viewing distance of around 4m for 3D, despite only being 55".

[s2mikey]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

You know why I'm going on about the black bars? Because they caused retention/burn/whatever on my Pioneer plasma after about 18 months of sporadic usage, and that is a fact. It's not about watching for 24/7, but if you're an intermittent user of a display (I don't watch TV out of habit and nor do I game, it's for movies movies movies so rarely gets used day to day) and only watch a certain type of content with some kind of fixed area of hard contrast (which a black bar most DEFINITELY is) then there's every chance that a self-emissive display will retain that delineation over time, particularly when being driven as bright as an OLED is in HDR mode.

I'm not saying OLED will burn in just as soon as you look at it and never have, what I am saying is that we don't all have the same viewing habits, nor do we share the same inclinations to babysit our TVs in case of such oddball habits - particularly because despite using non-torch settings and leaving the TV showing static at all hours of the day I STILL ended up with the borders getting retained on my Pio plasma. Been there, done that. And as for plasma being so incredibly superior to LCD it had plenty of its own problems and OLED has its own share too. Nothing is perfect, no matter how much we doth protest...

All right, all right - were good. Sorry I got so heated there. I just put up with enough OLED bashing on the AVS forums that when I come here its the last thing I want to read about.

Any high-end TV is great these days. We re spoiled, honestly.

[chip75]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

Eh? No-one's saying it gets burned in overnight or "in one go", if you actually watch the video above the tests have been conducted over several months and in pretty extreme conditions by showing a fixed logo on coloured slides for 20 hours a day every day (methodology that they'll be adjusting for their next burn-in tests).

Perhaps "in one go" wasn't the right wording. I did watch the video. As I mentioned my experience with burn-in was with my PC monitor and I didn't have bouts of 24 hours of frantic Word use, so I get what you're saying now ... it's not just binge watching CNN 24/7 that can just cause problems, a repetition of patterns through normal use has caused issues in your case.

It will be interesting to see a follow-up video from rtings.com.

[Nothing371]

Originally Posted by s2mikey

All right, all right - were good. Sorry I got so heated there. I just put up with enough OLED bashing on the AVS forums that when I come here its the last thing I want to read about.

Any high-end TV is great these days. We re spoiled, honestly.

People discussing burn-in isn't OLED bashing. It's a very valid purchasing concern.

The only people that flip out about it are OLED owners that feel the need to defend their purchase.

[Tns49]

Originally Posted by Nothing371

People discussing burn-in isn't OLED bashing. It's a very valid purchasing concern.

The only people that flip out about it are OLED owners that feel the need to defend their purchase.

Nothing indicates Oled is any more likely to burn in then LCD. Particularly for the LG version which is also currently used by the other OLED TV producers.

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by Tns49

Nothing indicates Oled is any more likely to burn in then LCD. Particularly for the LG version which is also currently used by the other OLED TV producers.

Well, nothing apart from that rtings test which applied the exact same colour slides in the exact same way to a concurrent series of LCD sets that revealed no retention in any way, shape or form on the LCDs at the end of the test.

Look, as I noted in my comments that is most definitely an "extreme" test (20 hours a day of the same pattern for several months) and isn't indicative of normal day-to-day usage but even so, the LCDs didn't betray so much as a hint of any retention under these conditions while the OLEDs suffered significant retention on certain colour slides in particular. It is what it is. Their next test will use a variety of real world content and will employ it in a five hours on, one hour off config so let's synchronise watches and return to discuss this again in a few months' time. I have a feeling that the retention won't be anything like as bad as it is on this first test but that there will still be some to contend with.

[jaaguir]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

The EXACT same principle applies so what difference does it make?

I thought the guy in the video said it's bright stuff that gets burned in, like the logo they show. I guess he didn't mean it this way, but I deduced maybe dark areas don't burn the screen (as you can tell, I've never owned a self-emissive display, nor have I chatted with owners), I thought this kind of screen got blacks by "switching off" pixels, so maybe that wasn't a problem.

[RockyIII]

Originally Posted by Tns49

Nothing indicates Oled is any more likely to burn in then LCD. Particularly for the LG version which is also currently used by the other OLED TV producers.

Burn-in only occurrs with reckless TV usage