Justice League 4K UHD (2017)

[zodwriter]

Hopefully the rumors about Zack Snyder directing Flashpoint are true. Oh and for all the people out there who don't believe that there is a Snyder Cut of Justice League, apparently there was a January 25th cutoff date for Snyder to request his Director's Cut and he submitted his request. So eventually we will get to see his true vision! If WB gives Flashpoint to Zack Snyder, I wouldn't be surprised if we get his cut of Justice League before Aquaman hits theaters.

[pottyaboutpotter1]

Originally Posted by zodwriter

Hopefully the rumors about Zack Snyder directing Flashpoint are true. Oh and for all the people out there who don't believe that there is a Snyder Cut of Justice League, apparently there was a January 25th cutoff date for Snyder to request his Director's Cut and he submitted his request. So eventually we will get to see his true vision! If WB gives Flashpoint to Zack Snyder, I wouldn't be surprised if we get his cut of Justice League before Aquaman hits theaters.

There's no way Zack is directing Flashpoint. His last two DC movies were critical disasters and underperformed at the box office. Time Warner executives were furious he was kept on for Justice League and they will certainly be flexing their muscles if he's brought back for Flashpoint. Zack's vision is not in line with what they want from the franchise.

WB needs the DCEU to be more profitable and Zack's vision is not commercially viable. It'll be quite a while until he's given the reins of another $200 million blockbuster at WB. They won't be bringing him back. Flashpoint will be directed by someone whose vision is more in line with what WB want from the franchise. And what they want is more films like Wonder Woman.

Any thoughts of Zack directing Flashpoint are a pipe dream.

As for the Snyder cut, if we get an extended cut it will be an extended version of the Whedon cut. WB have no obligations to release Zack's cut (if it exists in a finished form, which I highly doubt). A Snyder cut is a pipe dream at the moment. But hey, it could randomly materialise with no fanfare several years down the line (when no one cares anymore) like the Editor's cut of Spider-Man 3.

Zack Snyder's vision for DC and his cut of Justice League that may or may not exist in a finished form do not align with what WB and Time Warner want from the franchise.

Also... Flashpoint already has two directors attached; . The writers of Spider-Man: Homecoming, which tells you exactly what sort of tone WB wants from the DCEU going forward.

[pottyaboutpotter1]

Originally Posted by xbs2034

Two minutes actually makes perfect sense. Originally AMC and Regal were listing the runtime as 121 minutes (please don't mention the idea that it was supposed to be 170 mins long, maybe a workprint cut was that, but Snyder made fun of that rumor when it first appeared and people who were on set said the plan was always to be significantly shorter than BvS) before taking it down two minutes.

And since we know WB was pushing to get the film under two hours, it could be these scenes which went and they were actually finished due to being dropped at the last minute.

That would make sense, since Wonder Woman's bonus scene on the Blu-Ray felt like it was a post-credits scene that was cut at the last minute; probably since WB is trying to downplay the shared universe angle and focus on standalone films from here on out.

[zodwriter]

This is one of the best articles on the subject so far.

THE SNYDER CUT WILL BE SEEN!
https://screenrant.com/justice-leagu...d-vfx-editing/

[pottyaboutpotter1]

Hmmm. Screenrant aren't exactly a good source. They're tied with Comicbook.com for just pulling things out of nowhere and/or reporting unreliable sources as fact. They're basically the Daily Mail/The Sun of the movie news world.

As for the article itself, it makes a lot of leaps in judgement.

* It doesn't address the numerous reports Snyder himself was unhappy with the film and intended to shoot more material.

* It explicitly says that picture lock doesn't mean the cut was finished, but carries on assuming it was

* Snyder can have his scenes colour graded without having completed VFX

* One scene had completed VFX. They make the leap to assume this meant most of the movie had. It doesn't consider other possibilities. Maybe the Aquaman scene was done first so the "look" of the underwater scenes could be finalised for Aquaman? Just because that scene was done, it doesn't mean most of the movie was.

* The article even admits that Junkie XL probably didn't record any of his score, but then goes on to act like he might have done (despite Junkie himself saying he wouldn't have started recording until July).

* It's ultimately just a repost of all the "he said, she said" we've had over the last few months. It offers no new information and doesn't actually confirm anything.

* It doesn't address the AMA done by a VFX artist on the film who confirmed no more VFX work was being done on deleted scenes and they were being left unfinished.

The Snyder cut is just a myth. It's way too much of a PR nightmare to release it. It's going to become one of those popular movie myths on the internet that no one is going to be able to actually confirm. It's honestly reminding me of "Jar Jar Binks is a secret Sith Lord and George Lucas changed the plot".

I get people want the cut to be released, but I have yet to see any reliable sources give any irrefutable evidence that the cut actually exists and if it does exist, it exists in a watchable form. Justice League was a massive loss for WB with it barely doubling it's estimated $300 million production budget (and WB gets less than half of that box office). They aren't going to sink more money into it than they have to.

[nugget2016]

Originally Posted by pottyaboutpotter1

That would make sense, since Wonder Woman's bonus scene on the Blu-Ray felt like it was a post-credits scene that was cut at the last minute; probably since WB is trying to downplay the shared universe angle and focus on standalone films from here on out.

i dont even remember what the bonus scene was..

[meatball_84]

Originally Posted by zodwriter

Hopefully the rumors about Zack Snyder directing Flashpoint are true. Oh and for all the people out there who don't believe that there is a Snyder Cut of Justice League, apparently there was a January 25th cutoff date for Snyder to request his Director's Cut and he submitted his request. So eventually we will get to see his true vision! If WB gives Flashpoint to Zack Snyder, I wouldn't be surprised if we get his cut of Justice League before Aquaman hits theaters.

I am a big Snyder fan, and would love to see him continue making movies in this universe. But it is naive to even think that he will be returning. After his treatment on JL, I would wonder if he even works with WB in the foreseeable future. The only way I could see him making amends would be if they actually finished his cut of JL and released it to his fans.

And trust me, I want his directors cut. But I think we will get a 140-150 minute extended cut before Aquaman. It probably won't be the Snyder Cut, and I don't think Whedon wants anything more to do with this movie. It is 100% WB's mess at this point.

There is likely loads of mostly or fully finished scenes available. The 2hr mandate came late into Whedons work and he was likely forced to cut even more out. Same think happened on BvS. 3hr cut was finished and ready, and you can tell by the hack job that they probably told Snyder to cut 30min a few weeks before release

The ultimate tell for me is what version comes out on 4k. Ultimate BvS got 4k so you can tell that it was done in time for the 4k mastering. But Suicide Squad Extended Cut was only in 1080p likely meaning that the just threw some stuff in to appease the fans. If we get a 4k extended JL, then it'll be what Whedon turned in before the 2hr mandate. Only other possibility would be allowing Snyder to fully finish his cut. Which he should look at crowd funding to get WB on board. I would pay $100 if I know I was getting his cut.

[film11]

Originally Posted by pottyaboutpotter1

Hmmm. Screenrant aren't exactly a good source. They're tied with Comicbook.com for just pulling things out of nowhere and/or reporting unreliable sources as fact. They're basically the Daily Mail/The Sun of the movie news world.

As for the article itself, it makes a lot of leaps in judgement.

* It doesn't address the numerous reports Snyder himself was unhappy with the film and intended to shoot more material.

* It explicitly says that picture lock doesn't mean the cut was finished, but carries on assuming it was

* Snyder can have his scenes colour graded without having completed VFX

* One scene had completed VFX. They make the leap to assume this meant most of the movie had. It doesn't consider other possibilities. Maybe the Aquaman scene was done first so the "look" of the underwater scenes could be finalised for Aquaman? Just because that scene was done, it doesn't mean most of the movie was.

* The article even admits that Junkie XL probably didn't record any of his score, but then goes on to act like he might have done (despite Junkie himself saying he wouldn't have started recording until July).

* It's ultimately just a repost of all the "he said, she said" we've had over the last few months. It offers no new information and doesn't actually confirm anything.

* It doesn't address the AMA done by a VFX artist on the film who confirmed no more VFX work was being done on deleted scenes and they were being left unfinished.

The Snyder cut is just a myth. It's way too much of a PR nightmare to release it. It's going to become one of those popular movie myths on the internet that no one is going to be able to actually confirm. It's honestly reminding me of "Jar Jar Binks is a secret Sith Lord and George Lucas changed the plot".

I get people want the cut to be released, but I have yet to see any reliable sources give any irrefutable evidence that the cut actually exists and if it does exist, it exists in a watchable form. Justice League was a massive loss for WB with it barely doubling it's estimated $300 million production budget (and WB gets less than half of that box office). They aren't going to sink more money into it than they have to.

The cut exists and was complete enough to be shown to test audiences.

[xbs2034]

Originally Posted by film11

The cut exists and was complete enough to be shown to test audiences.

So, I saw the movie Annihilation (coming out this month) in a test screening 10 months ago, and that version was nowhere near release ready.

Aside from the temp music score, lack of color grading (cinematography looks much better in the trailer), very rough effects (people laughed at the creatures a couple times due to that) etc, they also asked a bunch of questions about editing as well as material for potential reshoots, which is the point of the test screening process (to evaluate what to change, not to show a movie ready to be released).

[zodwriter]

What I don't understand is that how with so much evidence people can continue to protest that the Zack Snyder Cut of Justice League does not exist? The picture was locked. Which means Zack Snyder's version was made, and completed in the can for better or worse. Many articles on the subject talk out of both sides of their mouths. They say the picture was locked and there are multiple reports confirming this. Then in the same articles we get things to the contrary to try and cast doubt on what was finished or not. It's a huge fiasco and I believe the article I posted where they pointed out unwatchable doesn't mean it was incomplete. It probably simply didn't match up with the WB two hour run-time mandate. That's totally different than saying his cut doesn't exist, or it's a myth. That article and many others have pointed out that the Zack Snyder Cut of Justice League EXISTS in relevant form. The truth is spelled out very clearly for anyone who is paying attention. WB wanted a much shorter film and much lighter in tone movie than the one Zack Snyder locked, which is why when Zack Snyder had to step away from the film, Joss Whedon made major changes and re-shoots. There was a twitter post last week from somebody involved in the forsnydercut.com campaign confirming that Zack Snyder submitted his request to WB prior to the January 25th deadline for his Directors Cut of Justice League. So I'd say we have a pretty good chance of seeing his version sooner than later. If the current rumors about him being in talks to direct Flashpoint are true, his version of Justice League could be considered the first olive branch. My prediction remains that we see The Zack Snyder Cut of Justice League sometime before the release of Aquaman.

[Anty1080p]

Originally Posted by zodwriter

Hopefully the rumors about Zack Snyder directing Flashpoint are true.

Flashpoint shouldn't even be happening, it HAS to be some sort of toned down flashpoint or a small scale type thing cause FLASHPOINT are you serious? What's next 2022 COIE and 2027 Doomsday Clock? (ACtually Zack directing Doomsday clock would probably come out great =P)

[zodwriter]

Originally Posted by meatball_84

I am a big Snyder fan, and would love to see him continue making movies in this universe. But it is naive to even think that he will be returning. After his treatment on JL, I would wonder if he even works with WB in the foreseeable future. The only way I could see him making amends would be if they actually finished his cut of JL and released it to his fans.

And trust me, I want his directors cut. But I think we will get a 140-150 minute extended cut before Aquaman. It probably won't be the Snyder Cut, and I don't think Whedon wants anything more to do with this movie. It is 100% WB's mess at this point.

There is likely loads of mostly or fully finished scenes available. The 2hr mandate came late into Whedons work and he was likely forced to cut even more out. Same think happened on BvS. 3hr cut was finished and ready, and you can tell by the hack job that they probably told Snyder to cut 30min a few weeks before release

The ultimate tell for me is what version comes out on 4k. Ultimate BvS got 4k so you can tell that it was done in time for the 4k mastering. But Suicide Squad Extended Cut was only in 1080p likely meaning that the just threw some stuff in to appease the fans. If we get a 4k extended JL, then it'll be what Whedon turned in before the 2hr mandate. Only other possibility would be allowing Snyder to fully finish his cut. Which he should look at crowd funding to get WB on board. I would pay $100 if I know I was getting his cut.

The theatrical cut of Justice League is getting a 4k release. The Snyder Cut won't be released till later on, but it will most certainly come out. There is entirely too much interest in this right now. WB won't keep screwing Snyder because lets be honest, he is one of their directors who has delivered for them many times! WB knows based off of box office receipts, horrible reviews and bad word of mouth that they botched this one themselves. Whatever movie Snyder had in store for us couldn't have been any worse than the Frankenstein mashup that was put in theaters. Having followed the production from the beginning by all accounts it was going to be Zack Snyder's masterpiece that concluded his Superman trilogy in a grand style with a satisfying conclusion. Not to mention the fact that Snyder would have given us our first glimpse on film of the ultimate Superman/Justice League villain Darkseid. If people really want evidence that WB is planning on releasing the Snyder Cut they need only look at the virtual bare-bones theatrical release coming out on video. The only reason not to include more deleted completed material is because they are saving it all for the eventual Snyder Cut. Stop and think about Aquaman. That film though having been directed by James Wan, very much contains the Zack Snyder blue prints of the character. That movie has been in the can for quite a while now and is just waiting to be released. Rumors are it falls more in line with Snyder's vision of Aquaman than the one from Whedon's theatrical cut.

[zodwriter]

Apparently Zack Snyder agrees!

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DUwnVlQWkAENNnv.jpg:large

[meatball_84]

Originally Posted by zodwriter

The theatrical cut of Justice League is getting a 4k release. The Snyder Cut won't be released till later on, but it will most certainly come out. There is entirely too much interest in this right now. WB won't keep screwing Snyder because lets be honest, he is one of their directors who has delivered for them many times! WB knows based off of box office receipts, horrible reviews and bad word of mouth that they botched this one themselves. Whatever movie Snyder had in store for us couldn't have been any worse than the Frankenstein mashup that was put in theaters. Having followed the production from the beginning by all accounts it was going to be Zack Snyder's masterpiece that concluded his Superman trilogy in a grand style with a satisfying conclusion. Not to mention the fact that Snyder would have given us our first glimpse on film of the ultimate Superman/Justice League villain Darkseid. If people really want evidence that WB is planning on releasing the Snyder Cut they need only look at the virtual bare-bones theatrical release coming out on video. The only reason not to include more deleted completed material is because they are saving it all for the eventual Snyder Cut. Stop and think about Aquaman. That film though having been directed by James Wan, very much contains the Zack Snyder blue prints of the character. That movie has been in the can for quite a while now and is just waiting to be released. Rumors are it falls more in line with Snyder's vision of Aquaman than the one from Whedon's theatrical cut.

I agree with you on all of these points. I know the theatrical is getting a 4K release. My point was that if we get a 4K extended cut later on, then it was finished before Nov. 17th. If we get an extended cut on standard blu-ray only, then it is likely just stuff added by WB and they wouldnt want to put the money into a new 4K master. I really hope that we get a Snyder Cut, and as said, I would pay good money to see it. If he really did put in his request to WB before the cutoff date, then we have a better chance of seeing it. WB is not obligated to finish any effects or record a new score though. They only have to flip the bill for editing. Honestly, you can make a stand in score from MoS, BvS, and Wonder Woman and elevate the movie. Elfmans score is incredibly weak, I have enjoyed his previous scores.

Snyder will not be doing Flashpoint though. WB has not been very loyal to Snyder theatrically. Only on home video. Watchmen, Sucker Punch, and BvS all had far superior Directors Cuts, but not enough people saw them. MoS was probably protected from studio interference by Nolan. I would hope that IF WB gives us a Snyder Cut, that they do a short theatrical run.

My choice for Flashpoint would be Robert Zemeckis. We need great directors that have the ability to negotiate final cut. James Wan was able to secure it and Matt Reeves walked away from negotiations until WB gave it to him. The credit I will give to Marvel, is that they have a specific vision, but once hired, the directors are given a large amount of control. As long as they follow the guidelines. WB only have themselves to thank for this mess. I hope Aquaman is great, and I actually have high hopes for Shazam. No need to Worry about Wonder Woman 2.

Suicide Squad 2 needs to be smaller scale. The first one should have been Oceans 11 with bad guys. A heist movie. More Joker, More Batman. Hopefully one day Ayers original cut will get released or leaked.

Man of Steel 2 should be Matthew Vaughn. It should be Brainiac, and the opening scene should bring back Michael Shannon and Russel Crow during the abduction of Candor on Krypton. It would add a huge amount of sympathy to Zods character, and would be an epic set piece.

[zodwriter]

Some people don't understand what picture lock means in the film industry either. Here's a good video with some very interesting information.

Zack Snyder Justice League Cut Post-Production Timeline - YouTube

[pottyaboutpotter1]

Originally Posted by zodwriter

Some people don't understand what picture lock means in the film industry either. Here's a good video with some very interesting information. Zack Snyder Justice League Cut Post-Production Timeline - YouTube

Picture lock is not as final as it sounds. It’s a stage in production where editing is considered done. It does not mean the film is finished. Hell, I know someone who had picture lock on a film in February and was out shooting again in March because, from watching the first edit, they realised what was missing. VFX work still needs to be completed. New material may need to be shot; reports all indicate Snyder wanted to shoot more material after he found early screenings lacking.

These big Hollywood films are rarely finished until a month before release. Editing is often still being done until the last minute. Reshoots and pickups are a routine part of the process. They have an early picture lock, test screen what they have and this lets them determine what isn’t working and what needs to be reworked. Thor: Ragnarok reshot scenes late in the film to help clarify plot points for instance. This is also why Hela’s arrival was changed to a field in Norway from an alley in New York as they realised the alley setting wasn’t right for the scene.

What happened with Justice League was probably the same. Snyder had an early cut and screened it for audiences. This helped him realise what was and wasn’t working and planned to shoot more material. Reportedly it was the character stuff that Snyder found lacking.

Snyder didn’t have a fully finished film before he left. He had an early edit that he himself found lacking and intended to go back and shoot more material. They have these early picture locks and test screenings to help them decide if they do need to shoot more material. Reshoots and pickups are often pencilled in during principal photography. Most major Hollywood films rarely get everything in principal photography. Many great moments have often been added during reshoots. Rey closing her eyes and letting the Force in during her fight with Kylo Ren in The Force Awakens was added through reshoots. Snyder always intended to go back and shoot more material. The “Snyder” cut if it exists is not Snyder’s Vision. It’s an incomplete version of Snyder’s Vision. Snyder’s Vision lies halfway between that early cut and the final theatrical cut.

Picture lock does not mean the film is done. Reshoots and pickups are routine for this kind of film.

[Dragon Ranger]

I don't care if it has to be released with a temp score and unfinished effects shots; I'd watch a more complete Snyder version in a heartbeat.
Knowing the history WB has with different cuts and home video (Blade Runner, Superman, Superman II for example) and the increased public demand bought about by the online age it will make financial sense to them to eventually release a longer version.

[Geoff D]

Directors often have a 'Director's Cut' clause inserted into their contracts but this does not mean what people think it means. They are legally entitled to deliver "their" cut of the film to the studio but there is no obligation that the studio must accept this cut, hence Joss Whedon being brought in to help reshape the movie BEFORE Snyder's family tragedy unfolded and he had to step down, which is a part of the narrative that people tend to forget.

So yeah, if people wanna keep insisting that there is a Snyder Cut then that's fine, there surely is one in one form or another, but if Snyder had stayed on the project through to completion the theatrical version certainly wouldn't have been the exact same cut of the film that was "locked". In all likelihood it would've ended up with much the same kind of tonal mishmash as the final version, not as extreme (and with a minimum of CG lip service!) but enough to have been noticeable.

Would Snyder's contractual 'Director's Cut' have been properly finished and seen the light of day if the release version had been a massive success? Dunno. Warners hacked up BvS but let Snyder concurrently complete his 'Ultimate Edition', or rather he finished that version and then it was hacked up, so if he'd stayed on JL then perhaps the exact same thing would've occurred: the Whedonesque version would've gone to theaters and Snyder would've have his preferred cut released to video.

Unfortunately life intervened and it didn't pan out, so as it stands the Snyder Cut is still very much an unfinished version. Locked it may have been, graded it may have been, but six months out from release date it would've still have had a ton of VFX to deliver as well as the score and audio mixing which even the internet sleuths aren't quite sure on the timeline of. Splitting hairs perhaps but it doesn't exist in a complete form, and may never will.

[legends of beyond]

Geoff hath spoken. It is so.

[BrandonJF]

Originally Posted by meatball_84

I agree with you on all of these points. I know the theatrical is getting a 4K release. My point was that if we get a 4K extended cut later on, then it was finished before Nov. 17th. If we get an extended cut on standard blu-ray only, then it is likely just stuff added by WB and they wouldnt want to put the money into a new 4K master. I really hope that we get a Snyder Cut, and as said, I would pay good money to see it. If he really did put in his request to WB before the cutoff date, then we have a better chance of seeing it. WB is not obligated to finish any effects or record a new score though. They only have to flip the bill for editing. Honestly, you can make a stand in score from MoS, BvS, and Wonder Woman and elevate the movie.

This doesn't make much sense to me. I'm not sure how you're coming up with those rules. You make it sound like if Snyder were to put together a cut tomorrow, WB could never release it on UHD. For some reason, it had to have been done before November 17th because.... Suicide Squad.

"Put in his request to WB before the cutoff date".... what?