Why should I choose Blu-ray?

[davewolfs]

Originally Posted by MatrixS2000

Do you keep your receiver or amplifier in an enclosed cabinet?

Problem with trying to compare video between HD DVD and Blu Ray is that all the common releases are hamstrung on Blu Ray. They are simply HD DVD versions ported over to Blu Ray...the studio has to satisfy the lowest common denominator and that is HD DVD....

Is that fact or an assumption? Obviously Blu Ray has a larger capacity but does this does imply that studios have intentions of utilizing all available storage for each release?

[MatrixS2000]

Originally Posted by davewolfs

Is that fact or an assumption? Obviously Blu Ray has a larger capacity but does this does imply that studios have intentions of utilizing all available storage for each release?

Capacity is not the only problem...the more critical one is bandwidth. Blu Ray can have up to 48Mb/s for video and another 8Mb/s for audio. This allows it to handle the more difficult encodes.

As far as studios having intentions fo utilizing all available storage space - well that depends on the studio. The Blu Ray exclusives ones do - they use high bit rates encode. The neutrals don't because they do want to do 2 separate encodes...so they use the lowest common denominator - the HD DVD version.

[davewolfs]

Originally Posted by MatrixS2000

Capacity is not the only problem...the more critical one is bandwidth. Blu Ray can have up to 48Mb/s for video and another 8Mb/s for audio. This allows it to handle the more difficult encodes.

As far as studios having intentions fo utilizing all available storage space - well that depends on the studio. The Blu Ray exclusives ones do - they use high bit rates encode. The neutrals don't because they do want to do 2 separate encodes...so they use the lowest common denominator - the HD DVD version.

Not sure if that means much.

Assuming that all BluRay DVD's have a 50GB capacity and are utilizing the maximum rate you have outlined (assuming it is correct). The longest movie that could that could fit on a BR disc would be 15 minutes which is clearly not the case.

48mb/s + 8mb/s = 56mb/s * 60 seconds = 3360mb/min

So again I ask, is it a know fact or assumption that studios are applying more compression to the video on HD DVD movies vs BluRay?

[MasterXeus]

Originally Posted by davewolfs

So again I ask, is it a know fact or assumption that studios are applying more compression to the video on HD DVD movies vs BluRay?

MatrixS2000 did answer your question the first time.

As far as studios having intentions fo utilizing all available storage space - well that depends on the studio.

[Smackos]

Ultimately if Content is King.. then HD DVD's the court Jester...you cannot ignore the sheer volume of titles from major studios that will not be available to HD DVD.

I'd also say that now it is being realised which way the format wars going and how much Blu-ray has been constrained by HD DVD the neutral studios are starting to cater now to what the formats capable of.. link

Also on the calculations of bandwidth you've got to consider that it's not a constant number that is put through the system and onto your screen.. whats the point of having 48mb maxed out when your fading to a dark screen or watching end credits for example. When the raw power is needed the player even buffers some of it to top out even that "maximum" rate when it's needed when a lot of visual info is on screen.

I USED to be a big fan of HD DVD but I could not ignore that it from both a consumer point of view and the studio's point of view Blu-ray is a better end product.

[davewolfs]

Originally Posted by Smackos

Ultimately if Content is King.. then HD DVD's the court Jester...you cannot ignore the sheer volume of titles from major studios that will not be available to HD DVD.

I'd also say that now it is being realised which way the format wars going and how much Blu-ray has been constrained by HD DVD the neutral studios are starting to cater now to what the formats capable of.. link

Also on the calculations of bandwidth you've got to consider that it's not a constant number that is put through the system and onto your screen.. whats the point of having 48mb maxed out when your fading to a dark screen or watching end credits for example. When the raw power is needed the player even buffers some of it to top out even that "maximum" rate when it's needed when a lot of visual info is on screen.

I USED to be a big fan of HD DVD but I could not ignore that it from both a consumer point of view and the studio's point of view Blu-ray is a better end product.

Are there any Titles out there from Neutral Studios that look significantly better on BR?

[Smackos]

Originally Posted by davewolfs

Are there any Titles out there from Neutral Studios that look significantly better on BR?

Good question.. probably not as yet... since it's only a very recently that the neutral studio's have actually started to cater to Blu-ray. Ask me this question again in another few months and I'll give you the answer. The least you'll get with Blu-ray is EQUAL transfers to HD DVD.. so the worst you could do is rule out picture quality as an arguement whatsoever as a reason to decide on one or the other. It comes down to the other factors already mentioned.. Universal is the 6th Major studio behind all the others involved in the HD formats. It's got a big back catalogue of titles (no where even close to what MGM alone has by the way) but what new titles are you going to have going forward.. its alright having the format survive but if all your buying is 3 movies a year scraping the top 50 box office hits of the year... whats the point!??

[davewolfs]

I'm sorry, can I get another glass of Kool Aid?

[Elessar]

Children of Men would look damn good on a 50gb BD.

Oh well, a man can hope.

[onanie]

Originally Posted by davewolfs

Not sure if that means much.

Assuming that all BluRay DVD's have a 50GB capacity and are utilizing the maximum rate you have outlined (assuming it is correct). The longest movie that could that could fit on a BR disc would be 15 minutes which is clearly not the case.

48mb/s + 8mb/s = 56mb/s * 60 seconds = 3360mb/min

So again I ask, is it a know fact or assumption that studios are applying more compression to the video on HD DVD movies vs BluRay?

I don't think anyone managed to correct you on this.

The quoted bandwidth is in megabits, NOT megabytes. 3360mb/min equals 420 megabytes per minute. At the maximal bandwidth, blu-ray will give 120 minutes of viewing pleasure.

Please, try again.

[iceman]

You can compress a movie to 1 byte, but it will probably not be a very good movie. You can also fit Lord of the Rings on a HD-DVD, but I promise you that it will not be a very good transfer.

We've seen threads like this before, it's called "trolling", I suggest you check the forum rules next time before posting.

Thank you!

[Elessar]

I support both and have not regretted it yet. Mainly because Universal puts out the best movies IMO. Children of Men, The Jason Bourne movies, Big Lebowski just to name a few. Blu is awesome too though and if Universal ever went neutral I would have to cease my support of HD-DVD. It's all about getting the movies you want in HD.

[movies3]

Originally Posted by Elessar

I support both and have not regretted it yet. Mainly because Universal puts out the best movies IMO. Children of Men, The Jason Bourne movies, Big Lebowski just to name a few. Blu is awesome too though and if Universal ever went neutral I would have to cease my support of HD-DVD. It's all about getting the movies you want in HD.

i like some universal movies aswell, but to buy another player just to play them....i think not, to much money when bluray is winning.

Also look at it this way davewolfs HD dvd was out for 1 yr before bluray even came out. Now bluray has the same amount of movies out and they are winning the format war between the 2. And bluray hasnt even been out a yr.

Plus with 6 million ps3 sold now, and more more standalone players being sold i say this format war it over between the 2. The next battle will to be taken over DVD which will be awhile.

[MasterXeus]

davewolfs

http://blog.pixelperfectproductions.com/?p=54

Maybe this is why Target and BJ are selling Blu-ray players in there stores only.

As of June 28, 2007
Of the top 100 2007 (YTD) films, 47 are from Blu-Ray exclusive studios, 14 are HD DVD exclusive studios, 29 are dual-format studios and 10 are not supporting either format currently.

Looking back at 2006
Of the films, 53 were from Blu-Ray exclusive studios, 14 from HD DVD exclusive studios and 33 from dual-format studios. There were no films in the 2006 top 100 from studios that had not declared a format preference.

[BadCompany89]

Who signs up for a forum site just to be able to flame? Oh wait, the world is full of these pathetic people.

[The Don]

you never answered the question masterxeus asked..

"what movies do you like?"

you're saying there aren't any must haves on blu-ray...

then you're saying 80% of the movies out there aren't must-haves....

are you saying that only Universal titles are must haves?...

just wanting to know..

[MasterXeus]

Originally Posted by The Don

you never answered the question masterxeus asked..

"what movies do you like?"

you're saying there aren't any must haves on blu-ray...

then you're saying 80% of the movies out there aren't must-haves....

are you saying that only Universal titles are must haves?...

just wanting to know..

I'm glad someone else notice davewolfs didn't answer my question.

[Blu-Light]

This guy obviously has made up his mind. Not sure why he posts here asking these silly questions that sure seem alot like the typical HD-DUD troll posts perhaps disguised a tad bit better from the start. If they are truly not troll posts then I will add that you are out of your freakin mind if you are going to invest in a format that is about to bite the dust. i.e. HD-DUD. It's on it's way out, there is no way around it at this point in the game. Now if you want to help prolong and perhaps sustain the life of the most viable, most technically sophisticated HD disc format created to date then go out and buy a blu-ray player and stop with this HD-DUD nonsense.

[JTK]

Originally Posted by Blu-Light

This guy obviously has made up his mind. Not sure why he posts here asking these silly questions that sure seem alot like the typical HD-DUD troll posts perhaps disguised a tad bit better from the start. If they are truly not troll posts then I will add that you are out of your freakin mind if you are going to invest in a format that is about to bite the dust. i.e. HD-DUD. It's on it's way out, there is no way around it at this point in the game. Now if you want to help prolong and perhaps sustain the life of the most viable, most technically sophisticated HD disc format created to date then go out and buy a blu-ray player and stop with this HD-DUD nonsense.

Almost every weekend we get one of these. You can almost set your clock to it.

[davewolfs]

Originally Posted by The Don

you never answered the question masterxeus asked..

"what movies do you like?"

you're saying there aren't any must haves on blu-ray...

then you're saying 80% of the movies out there aren't must-haves....

are you saying that only Universal titles are must haves?...

just wanting to know..

Well it still all depends on what initial player I go with. But the initial titles that I was looking at are Planet Earth, Children of Men, 300, Blades of Glory and Heroes. The best of compilation looked kinda cool too.

Some movies that I would like to have that are not available are Casino Royale and POTC. I really couldn't care less for Spiderman.