768p vs 1080p

[prerich]

Originally Posted by dobyblue

That is total rubbish.

http://hometheatermag.com/lcds/208hdface/

Read through the 2008 HDTV face off, look at the brands they're testing...all well respected TV's and technologies.

7 HDTV's, 6 1080p's and 1 768p. Which one won? The 768p.

The defense rests.

Resolution is roughly the 4th most important feature of a set when you're shopping. To make a blind statement that it's the most important consideration for getting the most out of Blu-ray is totally inaccurate.

Motion resolution and contrast are far more important than panel resolution.

Agreed +10,000!!!! If this thread, however, deteriorates into name calling - I will be forced to close it. The test aren't lying. I've seen great 720p sets outperform marginal 1080p sets - it can happen, just like a poorly constucted 4 way speaker can be whipped by a well constructed two-way speaker.

[dobyblue]

Originally Posted by ckent22

I know the difference between 1080i and 1080p. Hence, interlaced and progressive. It's not true to say that a "768p" displays more resolution. That's far from accurate.

No it's not true, because you're leaving out everything else that is being said. You're ignoring where I've said that a static image will show more detail. You're ignoring the fact that TV's don't take moving images and display them with 100% accuracy. If you ignore these things, then it's incorrect. If you realize that they are simple facts of displays then you can understand how a 768p set can display more detail than a 1080p set with moving images. In that case it's a totally accurate assesment.

[ckent22]

Originally Posted by dobyblue

I don't think you understand at all.

My TV of choice would be a Pioneer PDP-6020FD 1080p Kuro plasma, followed secondly by a Panasonic TH-58PZ800U 1080p Viera plasma.

They both have performance of close to 900/1080 for motion resolution. Hence when you're watching the majority of a 1.78:1 movie during scenes of motion you're seeing on average 900 lines resolved, not 1080.

During a static image you are seeing 1080 lines resolved, but I don't use my TV much for static images.

On most non-LED LCD's the motion resolution is 600/1080.
Hence when you're watching the majority of a 1.78:1 movie during scenes of motion you're seeing on average 600 lines resolved, not 1080.

That's is why on a good 768p plasma you can often be seeing MORE DETAIL during action scenes that you will on a poor 1080p plasma or non-LED LCD.

It's not an opinion.

In addition if you don't take viewing distance into account it's ridiculous to recommend a 1080p 42" set for someone who sits 15ft away from their TV over a 768p set unless the performance of the set outside of just the panel resolution (ie, contrast, motion, etc.) is significantly better, in which case you're not recommending the 1080p on it's panel resolution but rather on it's performance in other areas.

This 600 lines buisness is not true. You've said that but you haven't proven it. You say that a review or whatever it supposed to make it true, but it's not true.

[dobyblue]

Originally Posted by ckent22

And actually I do understand resolution.

Then go ahead an explain to me how 1080p24 can be converted to 1080i60 and back again with no loss.

[ckent22]

Originally Posted by dobyblue

No it's not true, because you're leaving out everything else that is being said. You're ignoring where I've said that a static image will show more detail. You're ignoring the fact that TV's don't take moving images and display them with 100% accuracy. If you ignore these things, then it's incorrect. If you realize that they are simple facts of displays then you can understand how a 768p set can display more detail than a 1080p set with moving images. In that case it's a totally accurate assesment.

Well, you are ignoring what I said about both having disadvantages and advantages, but once again, you can't sit here and tell me that a 768p television has more resolution then most 1080p televisions. You can't say that and it be factual because it's not.

[ozzman]

And this is how the thread dies. Prove your theory

[My_Two_Cents]

Originally Posted by ckent22

Look at my set up. Do you see a Vizio? That was an old TV I had.

Then change your signature.

Originally Posted by ckent22

You would't know anything about that would you? Probably can't even afford it.

And this statement is based on what? Nice attack. I won't even justify it with a response.

Originally Posted by ckent22

It's amazing. Okay, "768p" is so great that 1080p is a hunk of a crap in comparison. You are so off base here.

I never made a blanket statement like that. The fact that everyone else on this thread has agreed that a 768p (yes, it is 768p, read-up on technology before you make yourself look even more foolish) Pany will have a better overall picture than a 1080p Insignia should be proof enough for you.

Originally Posted by ckent22

You know what. Go enjoy your "768p" television.

I do, every day.

Originally Posted by ckent22

This is without a doubt the most ignorant thread I've read.

Finally something we can agree on! Don't worry though. I'm sure that if you spend the next week or two researching these topics, you'll finally understand well enough to have an informed discussion some day.

[kpkelley]

Originally Posted by ckent22

This 600 lines buisness is not true. You've said that but you haven't proven it. You say that a review or whatever it supposed to make it true, but it's not true.

There was a test done by an online review group that calculated the motion handling capabilities of all the sets that were available at the time. Of the top 5 sets, one was an lcd. In fact that lcd was the only set to get a perfect score of 1080. However, it was only able to do so under one setting and when in that setting it failed the other tests it was given.

I would provide the link, but I can't find it.

[ckent22]

Originally Posted by dobyblue

Then go ahead an explain to me how 1080p24 can be converted to 1080i60 and back again with no loss.

It depends on the source material. What source are we talking about here? Because all HD television broadcasts are in 1080i. Blu - ray's are at 1080p. There is a difference between the two and they don't switch back and forth.

[ckent22]

Originally Posted by Ricshoe

Then change your signature.


And this statement is based on what? Nice attack. I won't even justify it with a response.


I never made a blanket statement like that. The fact that everyone else on this thread has agreed that a 768p (yes, it is 768p, read-up on technology before you make yourself look even more foolish) Pany will have a better overall picture than a 1080p Insignia should be proof enough for you.


I do, every day.


Finally something we can agree on! Don't worry though. I'm sure that if you spend the next week or two researching these topics, you'll finally understand well enough to have an informed discussion some day.

You attacked my old Vizio first. So, maybe you forgot about that.

And yes, you did say that.

I'm glad you enjoy your 768p television.

I used to own one. And I can tell you that the picture is a lot better on my XBR.

[ozzman]

Originally Posted by ckent22

It depends on the source material. What source are we talking about here? Because all HD television broadcasts are in 1080i. Blu - ray's are at 1080p. There is a difference between the two and they don't switch back and forth.

Not all blu-ray disk are in 1080P.Wrong again

[dobyblue]

Originally Posted by ckent22

This 600 lines buisness is not true. You've said that but you haven't proven it. You say that a review or whatever it supposed to make it true, but it's not true.

Why do you suppose it is that motion resolution is listed as a specification on some manufacturer's panels? Do you think it's a big joke that all the CE's, the reviewers and just about everyone else is pulling on you?

You will never see 1080 lines of resolution resolved from Blu-ray right now on any television during motion. It's a simple fact of display technology.

The 600 lines is very true. There are numerous sets which don't even get that high with motion but the 120Hz LED sets have fared much better.

[dobyblue]

Originally Posted by ckent22

It depends on the source material. What source are we talking about here?

I'm specifically talking about a 1080p24 source, like Lost.

If ABC wanted to broadcast Lost in 1080p instead of 720p (as they currently do) how could they do it using 1080i?

Your turn. (It's not a trick question.)

Because all HD television broadcasts are in 1080i.

That is incorrect, ABC, FOX and ESPN all broadcast in 720p.

Blu - ray's are at 1080p. There is a difference between the two and they don't switch back and forth.

That is incorrect, numerous Blu-ray discs are encoded at 1080i.

[ckent22]

Originally Posted by ozzman

Not all blu-ray disk are in 1080P.Wrong again

Some are in 1080i, but most are in 1080p. My bad for not getting it dead on. Hope you feel good about yourself for the day and you got your kicks from this.

[ckent22]

Originally Posted by dobyblue

I'm specifically talking about a 1080p24 source, like Lost.

If ABC wanted to broadcast Lost in 1080p instead of 720p (as they currently do) how could they do it using 1080i?

Your turn. (It's not a trick question.)

That is incorrect, ABC, FOX and ESPN all broadcast in 720p.



That is incorrect, numerous Blu-ray discs are encoded at 1080i.

Actually, ABC, FOX, and ESPN broadcast in 1080i. I've even tested this.

[My_Two_Cents]

Originally Posted by ozzman

And this is how the thread dies. Prove your theory

You mean deteriorates due to ignorance. Some folks are just content to walk around like this all day:


As the Native Americans say "Listen or your tongue will keep you deaf"

[dobyblue]

Originally Posted by ckent22

Well, you are ignoring what I said about both having disadvantages and advantages.

No I'm not, because I've never disputed that statement.

[ozzman]

[QUOTE=ckent22;1483905]Some are in 1080i, but most are in 1080p. QUOTE]

well thats what you should of said in the beginning .
Remember what i said lets talk facts not make belive

[My_Two_Cents]

Originally Posted by kpkelley

There was a test done by an online review group that calculated the motion handling capabilities of all the sets that were available at the time. Of the top 5 sets, one was an lcd. In fact that lcd was the only set to get a perfect score of 1080. However, it was only able to do so under one setting and when in that setting it failed the other tests it was given.

I would provide the link, but I can't find it.

I believe this is the one:

http://hdguru.com/will-you-see-all-t...exclusive/287/

Results

The motion resolution winner, displaying all 1080 lines through processes called motion interpolation (used on all 120Hz LCD panels) and sequential LED backlight control (called Motion Plus) was the Samsung LN-46A950. It is the only display ever tested that resolved 100% of the moving image’s detail. Congratulations to Samsung’s engineering team for eliminating motion blur on an LCD display! Please note: this performance level resulted from activating the display’s Motion Plus control and setting the interpolation (called Auto Motion by Samsung) to “low.” Any other combination of the motion control settings resulted in motion blur, dropping the perfect 1080 line score down to as low as 330 lines!

The next highest motion resolution results came from plasma HDTVs. The best 2008 models were the two Pioneer plasmas at 900 lines, followed by the other plasma displays, with results in a range of 800-850 lines. (The 150” Panasonic plasma prototype scored 920 out of 1080 lines).

Moving down the list are the 120Hz LCD flat panels. The results ranged from 550-620 lines of motion resolution, depending on the make and model of the display.

The lowest “motion resolution” group of displays were the 60 Hz LCD flat panels with a maximum of just 340 lines out of 1080. The biggest “loser” of resolution goes to the 37” Sharp LC-37D64U, recording just 260 lines out of 1080 on the Motion test, a disappointing 75%+ loss of resolution. The lone rear projector tested was a Samsung DLP. It joins this group with 330 lines of motion resolution.

Use the chart attached to this article to help you make an informed decision when choosing a new HDTV. While other factors such viewing angle and color reproduction are also important to consider when shopping for a new display, excellent image resolution provides the “high” in high definition TV viewing

2008-resolution-tests-125-hdtvs.pdf

[ozzman]

Originally Posted by Ricshoe

You mean deteriorates due to ignorance. Some folks are just content to walk around like this all day:


As the Native Americans say "Listen or your tongue will keep you deaf"

LOL,
Sometimes it`s even hard to understand how some can walk around like this.
I would think it makes life a lot harder