Tomb Raider (2018)

[Shingster]

Originally Posted by jacobsever

Because being young, fit, and active doesn't equate to having multiple unrelated set of skills?

But being young fit and active does mean that she could have learned rock climbing and basic archery in the 20+yrs of her life that the bloody film doesn't show us.

Basic common sense people it's a ****ing action-adventure popcorn film, not flippin' Solaris. Moaning about a handful of skillsets not established in the 20min opening act goes beyond anal nitpicking and straight into complete gibbering idiocy.

This is why film runtimes have balloooned so much in the last ten years, because viewers are too thick to read between the lines and need every single aspect of a story or character explained to them, and then moan when a fantasy/action franchise exaggerates reality a bit.

[Kazutaka]

Originally Posted by morphinapg

Also, the new games are much more critically acclaimed than the old games. Yes the old games are classics, but they were much weaker in storytelling, and they weren't as good of a role model for young women either. This Lara isn't a supermodel, she looks like a real person.

Amazing. Every word of what you just said.. was wrong.

[enenra]

Originally Posted by Kazutaka

Amazing. Every word of what you just said.. was wrong.

haha this /\
Must be younger than us?
in what world are the new games better in every way to the originals? hahah

[morphinapg]

Originally Posted by enenra

haha this /\
Must be younger than us?
in what world are the new games better in every way to the originals? hahah

In the world where character development and storytelling matter. But even the gameplay is improved as far as I'm concerned. And yes the new Lara is far more relatable and a better role model.

And yes I have the original games, I even have the original on SEGA SATURN O_O

[enenra]

Originally Posted by Shingster

But being young fit and active does mean that she could have learned rock climbing and basic archery in the 20+yrs of her life that the bloody film doesn't show us.

Basic common sense people it's a ****ing action-adventure popcorn film, not flippin' Solaris. Moaning about a handful of skillsets not established in the 20min opening act goes beyond anal nitpicking and straight into complete gibbering idiocy.

This is why film runtimes have balloooned so much in the last ten years, because viewers are too thick to read between the lines and need every single aspect of a story or character explained to them.

This is why I dont like the idea of the new movie because for me, the games dont just give me generic action/adventure.
I dont want explosions/guns and military looking rubbish.

[enenra]

Originally Posted by morphinapg

In the world where character development and storytelling matter. But even the gameplay is improved as far as I'm concerned. And yes the new Lara is far more relatable and a better role model.

And yes I have the original games, I even have the original on SEGA SATURN O_O

the original games, whilst maybe feeling clunky by todays overall standards, had gameplay that was completely original and unique to itself. No other game felt and played like the originals.
Whereas the new ones gameplay feels like multiple other games including the Uncharted games

[DarkEco910]

Originally Posted by enenra

Agreed. We could have had the age and aesthetic (outfits) of the new TR game/this movie, with the idea of it being an origin movie, but then have the story/setting from the original game/s
That personally, I think, would have resulted in a much better movie imo as I find this new origin story/game, incredibly weak personally.

Although im in the camp that does not like the casting of Lara even if her body is completely correct to the new game.

I would LOVE a film version of Tomb Raider III or Tomb Raider: The Last Revelation with Vikander in the role. The first two Jolie films were basically Tomb Raider (the Scion was made into the Triangle of Light) and The Cradle of Life had the locales, the diving suit, and the shark encounter from Tomb Raider II. I'd say leave those alone and take inspiration from the two I mentioned. Even Tomb Raider: Legend had some neat set-pieces and story beats.

[Kazutaka]

Originally Posted by morphinapg

In the world where character development and storytelling matter. But even the gameplay is improved as far as I'm concerned. And yes the new Lara is far more relatable and a better role model.

And yes I have the original games, I even have the original on SEGA SATURN O_O

You are right, what the original Tomb Raider games needed was less tomb raiding and more murdering endless mercenaries like Nathan Drake.

[chip75]

I recently played the two newest games and whilst I love them to bits (or bytes), my Lara was an animal murdering, corpse looting, psychopathic serial killer, who bathed in the blood of her victims.

I'm not sure if she's the best role model for young ladies ...

[morphinapg]

Originally Posted by enenra

the original games, whilst maybe feeling clunky by todays overall standards, had gameplay that was completely original and unique to itself. No other game felt and played like the originals.
Whereas the new ones gameplay feels like multiple other games including the Uncharted games

I love the Uncharted games (My favorite game series of all time) so how is that a bad thing? Yes, the old games were innovative. That doesn't make them good by today's standards. That's why I said they were classics, but as time moves forward, storytelling in games has improved, along with gameplay design.

Originally Posted by chip75

I recently played the two newest games and whilst I love them to bits (or bytes), my Lara was an animal murdering, corpse looting, psychopathic serial killer, who bathed in the blood of her victims.

I'm not sure if she's the best role model for young ladies ...

People put this same idiotic complaint on the Uncharted games. Since when does killing to survive make you a "psychopathic serial killer"? One of the dumbest complaints about a game I've ever heard.

[chip75]

"my Lara ..."

[jacobsever]

Originally Posted by Shingster

and then moan when a fantasy/action franchise exaggerates reality a bit.

Which is LITERALLY what I said in my original comment. That for this film (as with most action films), you have to suspend your disbelief. I'm not the type of movie viewer that can easily do that. I don't like action/adventure films. Hence, my comment and "nit-picking".

[mwynn]

Originally Posted by chip75

"my Lara ..."

#notmytombraider

[Shingster]

Originally Posted by enenra

This is why I dont like the idea of the new movie because for me, the games dont just give me generic action/adventure.
I dont want explosions/guns and military looking rubbish.

The film's actually more grounded than the game, there is no miltary/guns/explosions. It's all very grounded by Hollywood popcorn standards.

[Creed]

Looks like if there's a sequel, Daniel Wu is guaranteed, getting a fair amount of screentime..

[RalphoR]

Originally Posted by Creed

Looks like if there's a sequel, Daniel Wu is guaranteed, getting a fair amount of screentime..

Since TR is killing it in China he turned out to be an excellent casting choice.

[Chaotic]

Originally Posted by Creed

Looks like if there's a sequel, Daniel Wu is guaranteed, getting a fair amount of screentime..

Woo hoo!

[Talal86]

Why does a video game character has to be a role model? smh..

and I highly doubt this movie would have happened, if it wasn't for the popularity of the old games anyway

[dallywhitty]

Originally Posted by morphinapg

In the world where character development and storytelling matter. But even the gameplay is improved as far as I'm concerned. And yes the new Lara is far more relatable and a better role model.

And yes I have the original games, I even have the original on SEGA SATURN O_O

Ehhhh, I dunno about that. 2003's The Angel of Darkness still has the best story and characters, in my opinion. Such a shame that Core Design weren't given the opportunity to follow through with their trilogy.

Originally Posted by enenra

the original games, whilst maybe feeling clunky by todays overall standards, had gameplay that was completely original and unique to itself. No other game felt and played like the originals.
Whereas the new ones gameplay feels like multiple other games including the Uncharted games

Pretty much this. I like the reboot era a lot - especially Rise - but they're not exactly innovative and they do owe a lot to Uncharted (which owes a lot to Tomb Raider, so it's like a never-ending cycle).

[morphinapg]

Originally Posted by Talal86

Why does a video game character has to be a role model? smh..

and I highly doubt this movie would have happened, if it wasn't for the popularity of the old games anyway

The new games wouldn't have happened if the old games weren't popular either, but they did happen, and they were very popular and critically acclaimed. Much more popular and rated higher than the last few pre-reboot Tomb Raider games as well. The new movie wouldn't have happened without the success of the rebooted games.