The Criterion Collection

[RCRochester]

Originally Posted by koberulz

There's no review there, only a conservative political rant that I'm assuming ties into the film in some way, but I can't be sure because it conveys almost no information at all about the actual picture.

Yes, the review really does transcend objective discussion of the film's viewpoints and delve's into political grandstanding by the reviewer himself. It really is inappropriate and if held to the standard by which we here on the forums must abide by, it would surely be deleted.

[exzachary]

Originally Posted by koberulz

There's no review there, only a conservative political rant that I'm assuming ties into the film in some way, but I can't be sure because it conveys almost no information at all about the actual picture.

So then read one of the nearly 200 reviews of it on Rotten Tomatoes. God forbid you have to see political views that you disagree with!

[amputd]

Originally Posted by koberulz

There's no review there, only a conservative political rant that I'm assuming ties into the film in some way, but I can't be sure because it conveys almost no information at all about the actual picture.

I totally agree. The reviewer used the review as an excuse to vent his own political views. As a U.K. citizen I was offended by his comments. His attack on the NHS was unjustified and ill informed and totally missed the point of the film. This forum should not be a place to advance political views, but a community of people who come together in their love of film regardless of their politics. There is enough division in the world. If the reviewer could not review the film without inserting his own political perspective, he should have passed it on to someone who could treat it more objectively.

[Jlouisbarrett]

Originally Posted by 20th Century Boy

Are you certain? These specifically look revisionist/current trend as hell (but I never saw the initial release).

Yes, it’s one of the things I remember most about the film, which I’ve seen numerous times over the years.

[MifuneFan]

Originally Posted by Jlouisbarrett

Yes, it’s one of the things I remember most about the film, which I’ve seen numerous times over the years.

No one is saying it didn't have certain filters, but the ones used now are different. There are some subtle changes, but there are also very drastic changes too.

[MifuneFan]

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I accept that neither DVD, nor trailers are accurate gauges of color grading, but these are pretty noticeable changes. I recall the filters being blue too, but now nearly every blue filter leans more teal now. Thankfully, this isn't some ancient film that no one will remember how it looked, so more people should be able to chime in on whether the Criterion is really accurate to what they saw in theaters.

[Jlouisbarrett]

Originally Posted by MifuneFan

No one is saying it didn't have certain filters, but the ones used now are different. There are some subtle changes, but there are also very drastic changes too.

I don’t know, to me it looks like a more refined and possibly more accurate version of the DVD. Not that we should be primarily using the DVD as reference, but here are a couple screenshots I’ve found just from a quick Google search:

DVD: https://screenmusings.org/movie/dvd/...icides-005.jpg

Criterion Blu-ray: https://images.static-bluray.com/rev...08_7_1080p.jpg

Another DVD: https://screenmusings.org/movie/dvd/...icides-235.jpg

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[20th Century Boy]

Originally Posted by jaymole

i always avoid his reviews except for the info on technical specs.

+1

[bwdowiak]

versus what the DVD looked like, it has a completely different look

http://www.dvdbeaver.com/film6/dvd_r...es_blu-ray.htm

[bwdowiak]

Originally Posted by Jaymole

I always avoid his reviews except for the info on technical specs.

I love his reviews. There are things that I disagree with and it is clear when subjectivity has replaced objectivity (i.e., there are certain types of films that certainly speak to his personal experience and he regards those films more highly than the average person,) but I'm not sure that every reviewer isn't the same way.

[Cremildo]

Originally Posted by exzachary

So then read one of the nearly 200 reviews of it on Rotten Tomatoes. God forbid you have to see political views that you disagree with!

It's almost impossible to read any review from RogerEbert.com, IndieWire, Reverse Shot or The Guardian - just to name a few sources - without coming across shoehorned liberal ideology. I rarely see outrage because of it. But a reviewer showing his conservative bias? God forbid! So much hypocrisy.

(in all fairness, I think the reviewer's political beliefs, whether right- or left-wing, are more appropriate for personal blogs and social media posts, not actual reviews.)

[RCRochester]

Originally Posted by Cremildo

It's almost impossible to read any review from RogerEbert.com, IndieWire, Reverse Shot or The Guardian - just to name a few sources - without coming across shoehorned liberal ideology. I rarely see outrage because of it. But a reviewer showing his conservative bias? God forbid! So much hypocrisy.

(in all fairness, I think the reviewer's political beliefs, whether right- or left-wing, are more appropriate for personal blogs and social media posts, not actual reviews.)

The complaint was posted on the forum at THIS site about a review on THIS site. What does that have to do with reviews on other sites and, thus, how does that constitute hypocrisy?

[bwdowiak]

Originally Posted by Cremildo

It's almost impossible to read any review from RogerEbert.com, IndieWire, Reverse Shot or The Guardian - just to name a few sources - without coming across shoehorned liberal ideology. I rarely see outrage because of it. But a reviewer showing his conservative bias? God forbid! So much hypocrisy.

(in all fairness, I think the reviewer's political beliefs, whether right- or left-wing, are more appropriate for personal blogs and social media posts, not actual reviews.)

I'll be fair and won't say that 'all' conservatives are a certain way, but while others are discussing the presence (or lack thereof) of political viewpoints in film reviews, you are the first to name call - albeit indirectly, using the word "hypocrite." So, if you're wondering why posts are being deleted, this could be the reason why.

[plateoshrimp]

There sure is a lot of political discussion on this thread lately. It seems like politics has infected everything these days.

[amputd]

Originally Posted by Cremildo

(in all fairness, I think the reviewer's political beliefs, whether right- or left-wing, are more appropriate for personal blogs and social media posts, not actual reviews.)

That's the whole point. Almost the entire review was a rant against socialized medicine. The political opinions expressed were inflammatory and lacked any form of balance or context. If someone on Blu-ray.com wants to talk about politics in film they can start a thread on the topic. That would be an appropriate context for those kind of comments. But to insert them into a main review is over the line in my opinion. I would say the same thing, by the way, if someone used a review of Atlas Shrugged to launch into a polemic against her philosophy at the expense of a critical analysis of the film's aesthetics.

[bwdowiak]

Originally Posted by plateoshrimp

There sure is a lot of political discussion on this thread lately. It seems like politics has infected everything these days.

it isn't just this thread. it is site-wide, it seems.

[traths]

Originally Posted by plateoshrimp

There sure is a lot of political discussion on this thread lately. It seems like politics has infected everything these days.

No kidding, I come to this site to talk about movies not politics. Take that crap somewhere else.

[koberulz]

Originally Posted by exzachary

So then read one of the nearly 200 reviews of it on Rotten Tomatoes. God forbid you have to see political views that you disagree with!

Originally Posted by Cremildo

It's almost impossible to read any review from RogerEbert.com, IndieWire, Reverse Shot or The Guardian - just to name a few sources - without coming across shoehorned liberal ideology. I rarely see outrage because of it. But a reviewer showing his conservative bias? God forbid! So much hypocrisy.

My problem is not "ZOMG conservatism shield my precious eyes!", my problem is that I came away from that review knowing absolutely nothing about the film.

[jlk5844]

Originally Posted by bwdowiak

Holy moly do those screenshots look teal and orange. Now this one I can remember seeing in the theater and subsequently on DVD a couple times. There's no way the film looked like that before.

Originally Posted by MifuneFan

I accept that neither DVD, nor trailers are accurate gauges of color grading, but these are pretty noticeable changes. I recall the filters being blue too, but now nearly every blue filter leans more teal now. Thankfully, this isn't some ancient film that no one will remember how it looked, so more people should be able to chime in on whether the Criterion is really accurate to what they saw in theaters.

No one can remember exactly what a movie looked like that they saw years ago theatrically. It's BS. Memory sucks.

As you said, DVDs and trailers (especially old trailers) are unreliable. The DVD caps for the blue shots look too bright. I think the teal nonsense is overblown in general.

[bwdowiak]

Originally Posted by jlk5844

No one can remember exactly what a movie looked like that they saw years ago theatrically. It's BS. Memory sucks.

As you said, DVDs and trailers (especially old trailers) are unreliable. The DVD caps for the blue shots look too bright. I think the teal nonsense is overblown in general.

I generally believe that, too (or I did believe that.) but if B (the DVD) equaled A (the theatrical presentation,) then doesn't that mean that I don't need to recall what it looked like in the theater in 1999? I only have to compare the DVD which I've got in my cabinet right now. whether "right" or "wrong," the Blu-ray doesn't look like the DVD. that's pretty objective, actually. The Tooze even points it out in his blurb about the PQ.